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    Labour
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    Conservative
    55
    30.39%
    UKIP
    22
    12.15%
    Liberal Democrats
    9
    4.97%
    Green
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    10.50%
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    (Original post by ApresAlkan)
    What don't you like about Miliband, out of interest?
    Because they think the concept of persistently beating down the wealth generating parts of the economy through taxation, replacing it with a fat public sector and borrowing yourself out of debt are the "solution". The fact that Labour in opposition, 3 years into probably one of the most challenging parliaments in history, have comprehensively failed to provide anything but ideological rhetoric. They're as credible as a used car dealer called "Honest John". Where are the policies? They're supposed to be the credible alternative to the government of the day and all they're doing is jumping on anything the government does and saying, "no... we disagree".
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    I don't want to come across as being rude, but you cannot honestly have expected someone to completely scrap tuition fees, given how they started at £3000, then to £9,000, in the same Labour government which introduced them in the fall of 1998?

    Why would they get rid of them now?

    Clegg outright lied to the electorate, because Clegg has proved himself to be what he always was - an underdog with megalomania problems. He signed that deal deliberately knowing that that it was wrong and because he didn't know he would be in power.

    It was done to appeal to the student support base who backed him through the election. Much like IDS crass comments of being able to live on benefits, it was little more than a publicity stunt to get voters.

    Anybody in the right mind will never, ever vote the Lib Dems until Clegg has been evicted from office.
    I was referring to the previous general election in 2010, when Nick Clegg and his minions vowed to make tuition fees redundant if he came in to power - therefore, the £9000 fees hadn't even been mentioned, let alone come into effect.

    Yes, he did lie through his teeth to everyone, and I'm sure that he'll now suffer the consequences by never being elected as prime minister.
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    I know the candidates that would stand in my constituency

    I only have respect for one of them so they would get my vote

    And this is why I voted against PR
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    Ed Miliband is going to show his true colours in 2015 and they're by every means crimson - social, economic and international too.
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    (Original post by LexiswasmyNexis)
    None of what you say is a reason for actively ignoring ethnicity or culture.


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    But a white man may in reality be more effective at representing a black man's views, and it would be harmful to let race blind his judgement, as arguably happened with Obama.
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    UKIP for me - time for a total change in this country.
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    (Original post by ekudamram)
    It was actually the Conservative government under John Major that commissioned the report in reviewing HE funding, and then in July 1998 Labour introduced the tuition fees capped at a maximum of £1000.

    It wasn't until January 2004 that tuition fees were raised to a maximum of £3000
    Surely, then, Labour had a choice whether or not to go with introducing the fees, if Labour had control over whether or not they could do it?

    In either case, it doesn't detract from my original statement - Too many people are going to University, and the money aspects is a deliberate, calculated attempt at deterring people from going. This isn't about fairness at all - this is a monetary decision based on who can and can't afford to go to Uni.

    Thanks for the heads up though - much appreciated!
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    Lib dem.

    Cause my local candidate (Bob Russel) is an excellent MP.
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    (Original post by tc92)
    But a white man may in reality be more effective at representing a black man's views, and it would be harmful to let race blind his judgement, as arguably happened with Obama.
    You could say the same about policy, political party etc. I'm not sure it's for us to state how you should make a voting decision.

    To say that ethnicity should never be considered (as was originally posited) is not in my view a sensible position.


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    (Original post by LexiswasmyNexis)
    You could say the same about policy, political party etc. I'm not sure it's for us to state how you should make a voting decision.

    To say that ethnicity should never be considered (as was originally posited) is not in my view a sensible position.


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    Perhaps. But anyone who bases their vote on race (either positively or negatively) is asking to be disappointed.
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    (Original post by tc92)
    Perhaps. But anyone who bases their vote on race (either positively or negatively) is asking to be disappointed.
    In your opinion. In any case, I'm not talking about 'basing' a vote on race- I'm talking about taking it into consideration.


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    It matters much less than you would think, at least to the voters. See this paper: http://www.palgrave-journals.com/bp/.../bp201228a.pdf
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    Tory.

    Yes the economic recovery hasn't been as quick as we'd hoped, but there are a lot of external factors affecting that sort of thing. I think this government deserves another term, let us see the economic reform come to fruition, if Labour come in and start trying to inflate the public sector in 2015 we're going to see some serious problems.

    Plus, who really wants Red Ed as Prime Minister? :lolwut:
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    It matters much less than you would think, at least to the voters. See this paper: http://www.palgrave-journals.com/bp/.../bp201228a.pdf
    Perhaps as an electoral body, but notice what each group has to say on each point which affects them.

    Black respondents very strongly state that there should be more black MPs.

    Similarly, Gay and Lesbian respondents strongly state that there should be more gay and lesbian MPs.


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    I'm surprised at everyone voting Tory :lolwut:

    Labour. They're not perfect but at least they don't attack the disabled and vulnerable while protecting their own fortunes. I didn't have anything against the coalition when they first got into power but I like them less and less each day, and their policies around education and welfare would be funny if they weren't actually happening in our country as we speak.
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    (Original post by LexiswasmyNexis)
    Perhaps as an electoral body, but notice what each group has to say on each point which affects them. Black respondents very strongly state that there should be more black MPs. Similarly, Gay and Lesbian respondents strongly state that there should be more gay and lesbian MPs.
    Surprise surprise, noisy and vocal minorities are only self-interested. Pandering to them while ignoring the whole is the mistake that has been made, yes, since Thatcher. Put the country first.

    Recall the Man, the Boy & the Donkey (usually attributed to Aesop, 6th century BC):

    A MAN and his son were once going with their Donkey to market. As they were walking along by its side a countryman passed them and said:"You fools, what is a Donkey for but to ride upon?"

    So the Man put the Boy on the Donkey and they went on their way. But soon they passed a group of men, one of whom said: "See that lazy youngster, he lets his father walk while he rides."

    So the Man ordered his Boy to get off, and got on himself. But they hadn’t gone far when they passed two women, one of whom said to the other: "Shame on that lazy lout to let his poor little son trudge along."

    Well, the Man didn’t know what to do, but at last he took his Boy up before him on the Donkey. By this time they had come to the town, and the passers-by began to jeer and point at them. The Man stopped and asked what they were scoffing at. The men said: "Aren’t you ashamed of yourself for overloading that poor Donkey of yours—you and your hulking son?"

    The Man and Boy got off and tried to think what to do. They thought and they thought, till at last they cut down a pole, tied the Donkey’s feet to it, and raised the pole and the Donkey to their shoulders. They went along amid the laughter of all who met them till they came to Market Bridge, when the Donkey, getting one of his feet loose, kicked out and caused the Boy to drop his end of the pole. In the struggle the Donkey fell over the bridge, and his fore-feet being tied together he was drowned.

    "That will teach you," said an old man who had followed them: "PLEASE ALL, AND YOU WILL PLEASE NONE."
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    Bros, monster raving loony party all the way.
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    The Socialist Party!
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    Surprise surprise, noisy and vocal minorities are only self-interested. Pandering to them while ignoring the whole is the mistake that has been made, yes, since Thatcher. Put the country first.

    Recall the Man, the Boy & the Donkey (usually attributed to Aesop, 6th century BC):

    A MAN and his son were once going with their Donkey to market. As they were walking along by its side a countryman passed them and said:"You fools, what is a Donkey for but to ride upon?"

    So the Man put the Boy on the Donkey and they went on their way. But soon they passed a group of men, one of whom said: "See that lazy youngster, he lets his father walk while he rides."

    So the Man ordered his Boy to get off, and got on himself. But they hadn’t gone far when they passed two women, one of whom said to the other: "Shame on that lazy lout to let his poor little son trudge along."

    Well, the Man didn’t know what to do, but at last he took his Boy up before him on the Donkey. By this time they had come to the town, and the passers-by began to jeer and point at them. The Man stopped and asked what they were scoffing at. The men said: "Aren’t you ashamed of yourself for overloading that poor Donkey of yours—you and your hulking son?"

    The Man and Boy got off and tried to think what to do. They thought and they thought, till at last they cut down a pole, tied the Donkey’s feet to it, and raised the pole and the Donkey to their shoulders. They went along amid the laughter of all who met them till they came to Market Bridge, when the Donkey, getting one of his feet loose, kicked out and caused the Boy to drop his end of the pole. In the struggle the Donkey fell over the bridge, and his fore-feet being tied together he was drowned.

    "That will teach you," said an old man who had followed them: "PLEASE ALL, AND YOU WILL PLEASE NONE."
    1. Cool story bro

    2. You gave us the link but you seemed surprised by the inference I pulled?


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    (Original post by LexiswasmyNexis)
    1. Cool story bro

    2. You gave us the link but you seemed surprised by the inference I pulled?
    I don't need a study to tell me that. In today's UK, being a Minority = having a Sense of Entitlement (and getting it pandered to, as well).
 
 
 
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