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    (Original post by wortandbeer)
    Most seats in London were/are Labour. It's mainly in the rural areas such as Hampshire, Berkshire, Surrey, etc. that are Conservative seats.
    I don't count London as the South

    London is London. I consider it a region in its own right.

    (Original post by Maths Tutor)
    So you couldn't resist butting in with your usual nonsense.

    Why don't you let others make their own points without trying to read their minds?

    Surely it can't be that difficult to get into your brain that this thread is about:

    "If you are English, do you support Scottish independence?"?
    Are you English? No? Then why are you here?

    And he was spot on about my point.
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    Can I ask the English perspective on this?

    http://m.scotsman.com/news/uk/boris-...wers-1-2932122

    Boris is saying its unfair that London doesn't have the same powers as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Can I ask the English perspective on this?

    http://m.scotsman.com/news/uk/boris-...wers-1-2932122

    Boris is saying its unfair that London doesn't have the same powers as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
    London owes its strength to the switch to a reliance on financial services under Thatcher and continued under Major and Blair. Over reliance on this I find very unhealthy for the economy and more should be done to spread wealth to other parts of the country as opposed to giving more to the City.
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    (Original post by Midlander)
    London owes its strength to the switch to a reliance on financial services under Thatcher and continued under Major and Blair. Over reliance on this I find very unhealthy for the economy and more should be done to spread wealth to other parts of the country as opposed to giving more to the City.
    Does the City come under the jurisdiction of the London Assembly? I didn't think it did.

    I think London should have more devolved powers. But I also think other parts of England should too.
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    (Original post by Psyk)
    Does the City come under the jurisdiction of the London Assembly? I didn't think it did.

    I think London should have more devolved powers. But I also think other parts of England should too.
    You know what I meant-it isn't healthy for us to be so reliant on one sector based in one city. Judging by the neg I assume a jumped up Londoner disagrees.
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    (Original post by Midlander)
    You know what I meant-it isn't healthy for us to be so reliant on one sector based in one city. Judging by the neg I assume a jumped up Londoner disagrees.
    I agree with that point.

    And actually it turns out the GLA does have authority over the City of London anyway. I thought wrong.
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    (Original post by Psyk)

    Are you English? No? Then why are you here?

    And he was spot on about my point.

    No, I am not and therefore I haven't commented on the question:

    "If you are English, do you support Scottish independence?"

    As for yourself, is your written English so bad that you need a Scot on this thread just to clarify for you what he, the Scot, THINKS you were saying?

    I guess you will take it as 'anti-English' to suggest to a Scot not to butt into a thread that is SPECIFICALLY seeking an answer from an ENGLISH perspective.
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    (Original post by Maths Tutor)
    No, I am not and therefore I haven't commented on the question:

    "If you are English, do you support Scottish independence?"

    As for yourself, is your written English so bad that you need a Scot on this thread just to clarify for you what he, the Scot, THINKS you were saying?

    I guess you will take it as 'anti-English' to suggest to a Scot not to butt into a thread that is SPECIFICALLY seeking an answer from an ENGLISH perspective.
    Well another way to put it would be to say my point was so well made that even a Scot could understand it

    Anyway, this coming from the guy that cannot make a single post without writing in bold all over the place. Is there something wrong with you? Do you have OCD or something like that?
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    Yes, as long as you'll have me once the split plunges England into a perpetually right-wing nation xD
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    I am English and I couldn't care less if Scotland trotted off.

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    In answer to the question I am English and I do support Scottish independance.

    Economically it would probably favour England
    In principalled terms it seems right if a country wants independance it should get it
    I am not party political but it seems that it would strenghten the right in england and strengthen the left in scotland initially but this change would be relatively short term and a new political homeostasis would emerge.
    Geographically it would be problematic for Scotland as britain has exhausted most of its mineral resources and trading would be problematic.
    But the biggest argument for in my view is that both countries would gain in ways that they seem to value. England economically and Scotland in terms of civil rights and liberty.
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    (Original post by Laurenx123x)
    I say go for it.
    Most of them don't wanna be part of Britain, so they can go.
    Most of "them" do want to be part of Britain. If you had bothered to look any further than Twitter, this would be glaringly obvious.
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    (Original post by moonlost_luke)
    In principalled terms it seems right if a country wants independance it should get it
    The problem with that principle is how to decide what counts as a country.

    For some purposes you might say a country is independent by definition. E.g. UN membership. And in other cases it's fairly arbitrary what counts as a country. Fine, Scotland is a country. But if Scotland is a country, why isn't Catalonia? Or Quebec?

    There isn't really any objective definition of a country. It's really nothing more than whether or not people think of a place as a country or not, and if someone supports independence for whatever region, they're obviously going to think of it as a country. So to say that any country should be independent if they want is basically the same as saying anywhere should be independent if that's what the residents want.
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    I'm English and I most definitely do not support Scottish independence. It will only bring bad things for both of us. Anyway I define myself as British, so I need the UK.
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    (Original post by wortandbeer)
    I am English, and I want the UK to break up. People will flame me, but we're entitled to our opinions.

    Think of it, England would be a G20 economy, have world class universities (Are Strathclyde or Glasgow high in the global league tables?), attract plenty of tourists (some may say London biases the figures, and granted it does, but it's not as if Windsor Castle or Stratford upon Avon are in London, is it?)

    I think more English people should openly support Scottish independence. I for one hold no real "nostalgia" for the UK, and frankly it was the English who laid the major initial building blocks of the British Empire (yeah.. the Scots founded the John and Royal African Companies, or fought the Dutch for the north American colonies lol..)
    I think Scottish independence could be a good thing for England. But, to be honest, it probably wouldn't make a great deal of difference. Scottish MPs have never once affected the outcome of a British general election, despite what some newspaper articles say, and Scotland only makes up 8% of the population of the UK.

    I do think the two examples you chose are pretty poor. The Scottish tourism industry makes up for 22% of the British tourism industry, almost 3 times more than it's population share.

    As for univeristies, England has 7 in the top 100 ranked in the world, Scotland has 1. Considering that England has more than 10 times, the population of Scotland, it's another area Scotland punches above it's weight compared to England, although both countries are incredibley strong in this area. Looking at science, Scotland has 3 of the top 100 universities in the world, only Switzerland can bost a higher number per capita. England is 3d or 4th I believe.
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    (Original post by wortandbeer)
    I am English, and I want the UK to break up. People will flame me, but we're entitled to our opinions.

    Think of it, England would be a G20 economy, have world class universities (Are Strathclyde or Glasgow high in the global league tables?), attract plenty of tourists (some may say London biases the figures, and granted it does, but it's not as if Windsor Castle or Stratford upon Avon are in London, is it?)

    I think more English people should openly support Scottish independence.
    The English support for Scottish independence seems to be very much of a "oh, fook off" variety. It's not positive, it's not got any sort of pleasant objectives, it's just impotent frustration with a - perceived - rejection by Scots (whilst, of course, we're only talking about a minority who get a disproportionate amount of coverage of their views).

    If you want to actually do this, make a case for a modern English nationalism. I'll still reject it, but at least it'd seem that you actually believed in something. Just to let you know - Scottish independence wouldn't dissolve the UK, there'd still another three component parts left.

    Anyway, yes, Glasgow and Strathclyde universities are quite high up the league tables, along with Edinburgh and St Andrews and a number of other universities in Scotland. What relevance this has to anything is beyond me.
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    The thing is that many people do think it's broke :l

    But then think about it, Scotland is 99% labour, Lib dem and SNP, all are left wing parties. However they are being ruled by a right wing conservative government which hardly any of them voted for. You can see how this is hard to swallow for the majority of the Scottish public, being ruled by a party that you have never voted for.
    The Conservatives fluctuate between about 13 and 20% in Scotland in recent years. There are plenty of areas with a strong Conservative vote. Anyway, the Coalition parties together got just under 900,000 votes in Scotland in 2010 - almost double the SNP and not far off Labour's 1,035,000.

    Actually look at the figures before pronouncing on them.

    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    Well because political opinion is so polarised between the seperate nations.


    Scotland is generally in favor of left wing socialist governments.

    Whilst England is generally in favor of more right wing capitalistic governments.

    With Scotland being the smaller nation, they get outvoted every time in the British parliamentary elections and regardless of something like 98% of Scottish seats going to left wing parties, there is a right wing party governing them.
    Which is actually not the case. Professor John Curtis has done a great deal of work in comparing social attitudes in Scotland - and has found them only a few percentage points different from England. On some issues (social conservatism, welfare reform) Scots are actually further to the "right" than England.

    The problem with the centre-right in Scotland is not that it doesn't exist, it is that the Scottish Conservative Party is - at least currently - failing it. That's why so many of the SNP's rural voters are simply Tories, and don't believe in Scottish independence. They get the feeling the SNP won't tax them more, is in some ways pro-business and, above all, isn't the Labour Party.
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    It really doesnt matter what we want. If the government took a particular strong view on the issue. They could undo the ACT of parliament that gave Scotland it's parliament (no parliament can bind its successor) I understand this is very unlikely in practice but in theory could happen.
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    It's right to give Scotland a referendum, but wrong for them to leave.

    It seems pretty clear from this thread that Scotland most probably wont leave though, and i'm pretty sure the turnout will be high for the vote rather than just the nationalists who are extremely angry and were always going to vote in the masses
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    (Original post by Psyk)
    Well another way to put it would be to say my point was so well made that even a Scot could understand it


    As this thread is seeking the English point of view, I will just highlight your English view of Scots.
 
 
 
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