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    (Original post by toronto353)
    The argument is ludicrous - it's as if Birchington is suggesting that renaming all the parties will mean that people will start to focus on activity and contribution as reasons for voting for various parties. I don't think it will and I think that the argument is little more than a pipe dream and unrealistic. The system has been fine in past when other parties were doing well, but now that they're not it seems that they are becoming a vocal minority in calling for this change. (Note here that I'm not referring to yourself, JPKC and others whom I'm sure have honourable intentions in wanting to change the system, but I am sceptical of some people calling for change because I think that it is little more than a ploy to increase their seat share).
    OK if we do accept that, what do you think people will focus on if parties have different names?

    I don't accept that it is in any way a ploy to gain more seats, its simply a way of ensuring the overall activity of the House is prosperous by rewarding those who are consistently active and can actually fill their seats and deliver on their manifesto promises. Your opposition isn't in any way related to the fact that UKIP would basically dissolve under said proposition?
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    OK if we do accept that, what do you think people will focus on if parties have different names?

    I don't accept that it is in any way a ploy to gain more seats, its simply a way of ensuring the overall activity of the House is prosperous by rewarding those who are consistently active and can actually fill their seats and deliver on their manifesto promises. Your opposition isn't in any way related to the fact that UKIP would basically dissolve under said proposition?
    I don't think that we will draw as many people without the names personally. If people don't find it easy to get involved or can't relate to us, then I can't see elections being as popular really. Metrobeans, I believe, has summed up some of the arguments on this front quite nicely in the past.

    You, JPKC and others I fully believe aren't using this as a ploy to get more seats so please don't take that as a criticism of yourself because it isn't. I criticise the Liberals in particular (though not all only those who have been making this push) who have been particular vocal on this front since their support collapsed. Now UKIP put up with that extreme of the system so I don't see why the Liberals have now decided to whinge about the system when it isn't going their way. In my opinion it's an issue of fairness - no-one complained when we suffered under this system, yet now the Liberals are doing badly, we start to see some complaints coming forth. I just view it as double standards and frankly a lot of hot air about a non-existent issue.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    I don't think that we will draw as many people without the names personally. If people don't find it easy to get involved or can't relate to us, then I can't see elections being as popular really. Metrobeans, I believe, has summed up some of the arguments on this front quite nicely in the past.
    That's a fair point. I'd prefer to reduce the number of seats overall than change names.

    You, JPKC and others I fully believe aren't using this as a ploy to get more seats so please don't take that as a criticism of yourself because it isn't. I criticise the Liberals in particular (though not all only those who have been making this push) who have been particular vocal on this front since their support collapsed. Now UKIP put up with that extreme of the system so I don't see why the Liberals have now decided to whinge about the system when it isn't going their way. In my opinion it's an issue of fairness - no-one complained when we suffered under this system, yet now the Liberals are doing badly, we start to see some complaints coming forth. I just view it as double standards and frankly a lot of hot air about a non-existent issue.
    I don't consider it a self-criticism no worries. Also a fair point.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Not when Catnip slays them like pigs! I have always thought about District 2 as of those who were most hated. UKIP would be District 13! :cool:
    Isolationist, scheming and overly attached to their nukes?
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    Hopefully seat shares will fairly reflect the activity and contributions of TSR parties alone. If parties that share RL names unfairly benefit or suffer from RL biases in the vote here, as has happened before, legislation to counter this or to enforce renaming should be prioritised and enacted as soon as possible.
    Unfortunately, the very fact that RL named parties have an unfair advantage means that they will always have a majority in the house. As such it becomes a case of persuading the turkeys to vote for christmas.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    ...we have to end the situation where TSR parties can be handed a high vote share from RL supporters yet cannot fill all of their seats...
    Agreed, but I see the solution in reallocation of seats by by-election with that party being excluded from fielding a candidate.

    ...or have dire activity levels. I don't believe it's very fair.
    I totally agree again that it isn't fair but I don't see the solution in what you propose; I see it in creating legislation to reallocate seats if an individual MP has a rubbish voting record (say <40% turnout as a figure plucked out of the air) and that could either then be reallocated within the party for a probationary period, or just given to another party by a by-election as above.

    I am totally opposed to changing party names and also to seat reduction but I also totally agree that problems exist in terms of activity levels and 'dormant' seats. I think where people are disagreeing is on the solution to those.
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    (Original post by Blue Meltwater)
    Have elections in the past tended to show similar patterns to RL polls for voting intention? If there is a link, I'd expect to see a boost for UKIP in this election, maybe the Conservatives too.
    Yes and no.

    In the early elections which had low turnouts there were often a few suprises (MRLP won 17 seats, Labour had 7% in one and the Socialists came second behind us). In more recent elections though we've had much higher turnouts and the result has been a Labour win and the Tories second.

    Basically there's about 100-200 people who visit the Mhoc and actually read manifestos, beyond that RL kicks in.

    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    Why is that a ludicrous suggestion?

    I'm rather disdainful to TSR MHoC General Elections, simply because they cater to an electorate who appear for a single vote based on RL affiliations and then disappear into the abyss.
    Fully agree about the point regarding general elections, one of the many reasons i have previously called for no mass PM so it's like a by-election.
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    (Original post by Tactical Nuclear Penguin)
    I am totally opposed to changing party names and also to seat reduction but I also totally agree that problems exist in terms of activity levels and 'dormant' seats. I think where people are disagreeing is on the solution to those.
    I agree. The best solution would be having the power to remove rubbish MPs and incentivise activity with by-elections but also retaining the right of TSR parties to choose their name.
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    I was once asked by a party if they could create dummy MP accounts to vote with if they couldn't fill their seats....

    I said no.

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    I like the by-elections idea as I think it works from a number of different angles. Might be worth looking into post election.
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    An election campaign starting in the middle of an Ashes test match, unless we stuff the Aussies in three days (even the optimistic me does not expect that).
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    I think that this election should be conducted using the Duckworth-Lewis method.
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)

    I like the by-elections idea as I think it works from a number of different angles. Might be worth looking into post election.
    I think that by-elections being the lifeblood of the late Screaming Lord Sutch and his successor Lord Hope are an essential part of politics.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Yes and no.

    In the early elections which had low turnouts there were often a few suprises (MRLP won 17 seats, Labour had 7% in one and the Socialists came second behind us). In more recent elections though we've had much higher turnouts and the result has been a Labour win and the Tories second.

    Basically there's about 100-200 people who visit the Mhoc and actually read manifestos, beyond that RL kicks in.
    Ah, that's interesting. I've just taken a look at the MHoC wiki (which is a brilliant resource - full praise to whoever took the time to compile that) and, while Labour and Conservative seem to regularly be ahead, I notice their vote share is still well below what they're polling IRL. Independent candidates also seem able to significantly shake up the results.

    I think I'll wait until I've been through my first TSR election before deciding where I stand on the re-naming issue. At the moment, I'm more convinced by the other ideas currently being floated as a solution.
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    This term feels like it's flown by :beard::moon:
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Unfortunately, the very fact that RL named parties have an unfair advantage means that they will always have a majority in the house. As such it becomes a case of persuading the turkeys to vote for christmas.
    Really? So where's all UKIPs seats then?
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Isolationist, scheming and overly attached to their nukes?
    Waiting in the dark, scheming to free the country from the claws of Brussels (Panem), upholding our patriotic values would perhaps fit better.
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    I make my first policy announcement of the campaign, being up to date as usual with the issues of the day:

    'Declare Richard III the 1485 Hide 'n Seek Champion'
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    I make my first policy announcement of the campaign, being up to date as usual with the issues of the day:

    'Declare Richard III the 1485 Hide 'n Seek Champion'
    So are you standing in this election?
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    Be interesting to see more independents, we haven't had any since the likes of IG, tehFrance and Addzter.
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    So are you standing in this election?
    Actually I am sitting down on a nice comfy chair (no soft cushion though).

    Yes I will be a candidate.
 
 
 
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