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What most people on this thread seem to be missing is that the age of consent is mostly a protective law to stop people who are above the age of consent abusing people under it. The minority of sexual partners who are both under the age of consent are prosecuted for it and usually on happens when there is clear evidence of it, such as a video (which opens them up to a whole different set of crimes). Therefore makes no sense to lower the age of consent as it would just expose young people to manipulation and predation.
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It's irrelevant, kids are going to have sex when they want to have sex. All the age of consent does is stop much older predators from preying on kids, in which case lowering it would just widen the pool for creeps who want to stay on the side of the law. No-one actually gives a damn if a 14 and 15 year old are having sex.
As for the sex education stuff they're talking about in the article; surely you can still open all of that up to 14-15 year olds without actually lowering the consent.
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(Original post by Mankytoes)
I have to disagree with the underlying assumption here that teenagers shag purely because it's cool, promoted by media and legal. They primarily shag because it's a natural urge when you're pubescent. I didn't have sex until I was nineteen, but it wasn't through choice- well, not my choice. How many fifteen year old boys would actually turn down sex? You can't legislate against human nature.
Really? Or was it that, though you fantasised and had they were pleasurable, you were never really motivated to go beyond that? That's how I saw myself. Sure the idea was great, but only in the strictest of hypothetical imaginings. For me, whenever I even skirted close to the edge of the real thing I used to get stressed and overwhelmed by the perceived magnitude of it. I was definitely too young to follow up on any natural urges, and I wasn't alone. Maybe most kids really are much more mature, but alot I think feel compelled to do something just so they can give a believeable account of it to demanding 'friends'.



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This won't solve anything. Why do people refuse to solve the underlying problem. Why are these supposedly experts so out if sync with reality.
Making age of consent lower will only benefit pedophiles. Want to get more more youths using health service, improve health education and health promotion.
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I agree that there will always be people who have sex under-age, whatever the age of consent is, and raising it wouldn't necessarily stop people having sex at that age. But to me, lowering the age of consent just seems like a step in the wrong direction. Sure, there's already 15 year olds who have sex, but lowering the age to 15 will just make people more likely to have sex then, because that will be seen as the 'accepted' age to have sex. There's already lots of pressure on, particularly, girls to have sex at a younger age, and this change would only make that worse. Again I don't deny that some 15 year olds are mature enough, but most teenagers, generally, will be less mature at 15 than 16.

It seems like such a backward society when you can have sex at 16 but can't smoke, buy alcohol, vote, or even look at porn until 18 years old. I agree that something needs to be done about teenage pregnancy, stds etc, but I think lowering the age of consent will only worsen this. I believe the answer lies in education (of both boys and girls), support, and availability of sexual healthcare.
See, I really don't like these throwaway remarks, sort of token responses from people who feel the need to express an opinion for the sake of having an opinion. Firstly 419, if you're referring to the UK (assume you are) then we have one of the most user/patient friendly systems in the whole world. From confidential medical information shared between sexual health clinics and the rest of the NHS only at your behest, the ability to get prescribed contraceptive pills from the NHS at the age of 13 without your parents requiring to be told and the provision generally of a wealth of free and honest advice, information and contraception in all forms.
Equally, montstar you can't seem to see the wood for the trees. Pregnancy is the problem, because raising a child really isn't possible to a good standard with the maturity of a 16 year old, so in that sense we're not really a backward society at all. Sex education is not only universally taught and compulsory, but let's get real - with the internet, TV and so on, pretty much everything nowadays is sexually open including our families. Unless raised in an extremely zealous and devout family (even then, I can't see it being possible) there is no way that any child of 16 fails to understand that sex can lead to pregnancy. They know, they just choose to ignore or actively pursue having a baby for something to do.
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I know a fella who pulled a girl at a night club in northern ireland, she was 16 years old but of course he believed she was at least 18 being in one of the biggest nightclubs in the country.

He took her home, had sex with her and the next day her parents were looking for her asd she hadn't come home, the police were called, at that time the age of consent in NI was 17, I think it even might still be, to cut a long story short his parents had him in court and he is currently on the sex offender register, life destroyed.
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(Original post by hamijack)
What most people on this thread seem to be missing is that the age of consent is mostly a protective law to stop people who are above the age of consent abusing people under it. The minority of sexual partners who are both under the age of consent are prosecuted for it and usually on happens when there is clear evidence of it, such as a video (which opens them up to a whole different set of crimes). Therefore makes no sense to lower the age of consent as it would just expose young people to manipulation and predation.
Unless you make it so young people can legally have sex, but only with each other, as other countries have, thus making the letter of the law reflect its purpose. Common sense, no?
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i think the academic who carried ou that research has a thing for underage girls! He looked like a bit of a creep on TV when he was giving an interview!


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I think it should remain at the age of 16, and if anything be put up to the age of 18. Something about dropping the consent age to 15, just seems rather strange to me. As mentioned by previous others, teenagers below the age of 16 will still continue to have sex, there's no need to drop the age.
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why the hell do you care about someone 'ruining their live'? It's their problem, not yours. this country is ruined not by youngsters having sex, but people who stick their nose in EVERY ****ing problem they see and act like they know something about it. this causes so much ******ry in all political arguments, because people with an IQ of a sandal's sole try to solve problems that don't and won't ever have anything to do with them, hence the government comes up with ridiculous solutions which only mess up the situation more than it was.
their problem - not yours, period. deal with it
Correction - this country has been crippled by the government's economic policies in the mid to late 1900's
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Thanks for the contribution.
You're very welcome.
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Ok, I'll explain it in simpler terms for you. I was AGREEING WITH YOU. I was saying yeah, it is girls being stupid and not something we can control, but what I disagreed with was the oft-repeated line you used 'let them do what they want, it's their body' well, yeah it is their body but as I tried to say - when you're pregnant and create a child, it is an independent life not the personal property of those that created it. So I don't think we should just 'leave them to it' because society bears the ills of their inadequate parenting.

This is relevant because that's the only reason I'm concerned with the age of consent - the surrounding teenage pregnancies.
Society will bare that inadequate parenting because it is completely societies fault that this has become acceptable. Society has noone else to blame but itself, especially in the UK. Tabloids, everything including music etc has made this perfectly acceptable.

Stupid people do stupid things and unfortunately stupidity has become tolerable in our broken society.
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I agree that the age of consent is more to protect teenagers from predatory adults rather than to outright stop teenagers having awkward fumbly sex with each other, because it will be impossible to police regardless.

With that in mind it's probably wiser to raise the age of consent to 17~18, while maybe leaving some leeway for people to legally have sex from say 16 up if it is with another teenager.
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I agree with "hamijack's" reasons for the age of consent to not be lowered. I feel it would do more harm than good. They should leave it as it is imo.

If they are worried about 14/15 year olds having sex then I think they should focus more on targeting these age groups and ensuring sex education classes are provided by people who have expertise in sexual health and will be able to educate them about issues such as contraception.

If not that then maybe something else but I really don't think lowering the age of consent is the answer here and it could create a lot more problems.
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Keep it to 16, but make it legal for up to two years older from 13-15. This is effectively already the case, but I think it should be made de jure legal as well to prevent potential cases of parents with a grudge trying to push prosecution.
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I think lowering the age of consent would encourage younger kids to have sex, and yes allow creeps to prey on younger children

it should be raised to 17 I think...
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There are good physical reasons why girls should not risk pregnancy under 16. Though they can become pregnant their bodies may not in fact have finished growing and child birth becomes much more risky than at an older age.

The psychological, emotional risk to a child from having a very young mother and father is also increased as they often are either not fully aware of what parental roles are or just don't have the financial ability to fulfill them.

I know a boy and a girl who had a child when they were 12 and 13 respectively.
Things have in fact worked out reasonably well but only because the boy's mother stepped in and effectively took overall responsibility for the baby.
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The argument is not to encourage those under 16 to have sex, but rather to ensure that if they do, they feel they can ask for information about STIs, pregnancy etc, without the risk of prosecution
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I think the age difference is what matters. Adults can do what they want at any age but a child can't consent to an adult. Two 14 year olds though? Like hell they are going to stop doing what they want because its against the law. That's just stupid. A 15 and 16 year old is fine. A 15 and 30 year old is not.

So no, don't lower it, it should be staged though.
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(Original post by Endo)

See, I really don't like these throwaway remarks, sort of token responses from people who feel the need to express an opinion for the sake of having an opinion. Firstly 419, if you're referring to the UK (assume you are) then we have one of the most user/patient friendly systems in the whole world. From confidential medical information shared between sexual health clinics and the rest of the NHS only at your behest, the ability to get prescribed contraceptive pills from the NHS at the age of 13 without your parents requiring to be told and the provision generally of a wealth of free and honest advice, information and contraception in all forms.
Equally, montstar you can't seem to see the wood for the trees. Pregnancy is the problem, because raising a child really isn't possible to a good standard with the maturity of a 16 year old, so in that sense we're not really a backward society at all. Sex education is not only universally taught and compulsory, but let's get real - with the internet, TV and so on, pretty much everything nowadays is sexually open including our families. Unless raised in an extremely zealous and devout family (even then, I can't see it being possible) there is no way that any child of 16 fails to understand that sex can lead to pregnancy. They know, they just choose to ignore or actively pursue having a baby for something to do.
Hey don't **** in me. I've long forgotten what you've yet to learn about the health care system here. Sex education in this country does need improving. Health promotion is impeccable though.

All I'm saying us that the points the guy gives for wanting to lower the age of consent focuses more on health promotion and education. So if he feels that's the problem, solve the direct issue and not go for an indirect issue that'll solve nothing but make pedos happy.



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So girls can whore themselves around at earlier ages? I don't see any advantage in that...
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Yeah... that's because I'm sick of society saying that I'm gay (people say I am because I haven't had a girlfriend or first kiss yet). Personally I don't see what all the hype's about.


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