Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Acidy)
    I have no sympathies for aptitude tests such as UKCAT if that's the strenuous extent to which you're implying. The same is necessary for other degrees i.e. Law.
    HE is probably talking about the ridiculously large amount of ECs and WE you have to do.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by HaQ_mAn_)
    The worst thing is when people say things like "But you got the grades, why didn't you get any offers"

    or " But I got 5 offers for my course and you're so clever?!?"


    Only Medics understand medics i feel sometimes. which why I think we might seem cliquey from the outside.
    Omg someone understands my frustration!!
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by slg60)
    HE is probably talking about the ridiculously large amount of ECs and WE you have to do.
    Yep I understand. But if you wished to practice as a barrister, as an example, the grind for work experience at A level is nothing in comparison to say the amount of pupillage's you require to gain a contract, that's even before you face the competition. This is what frustrates me.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Acidy)
    Yep I understand. But if you wished to practice as a barrister, as an example, the grind for work experience at A level is nothing in comparison to say the amount of pupillage's you require to gain a contract, that's even before you face the competition. This is what frustrates me.
    It is probably because most people on this site are dentists and medics
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Acidy)
    Yep I understand. But if you wished to practice as a barrister, as an example, the grind for work experience at A level is nothing in comparison to say the amount of pupillage's you require to gain a contract, that's even before you face the competition. This is what frustrates me.
    Yes but most people here are a level students or uni students. Also, you can get into law with a huge variety of grades, same cant be said for med/dent, you need at least aaa and each uni's competition is basically the same. The level of competition for say law at sheffield is incomparable for med/dent at sheffield (knowing students).

    Specialist training for medicine and dentistry are also probably equally difficult. EG, Dermatology, orthodontics, general surgery etc
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ando181)
    I was just at a family party and there were a number of medicine/dentistry students. i was talking to them about other degrees apart from dentistry and medicine and I was talking about bio-medicine pharmacy, optometry and some other courses. They all started laughing and said those courses are for rejects of medicine/dentistry. They said they often use their degree as a way to pick up girls too! I even heard about them saying that some of the students would bully the bio-med and pharmacy students calling them rejects.
    They genuinely considered all these other degrees 'below' them, I really hope I dont turn into one of these guys because Im really considering medicine/dentistry
    That just further proves the idea that most students who go into medicine and dentistry don't do it for the right reasons and so don't deserve to have a career in healthcare. They are only moved by wealth, status and power and lack compassion, sympathy, understanding and an open mind, preventing them from becoming great doctors in my opinion.
    Offline

    16
    ReputationRep:
    Half an hour spent on TSR will show you that there is no category of student which doesn't do this.
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by qwerty73)
    That just further proves the idea that most students who go into medicine and dentistry don't do it for the right reasons and so don't deserve to have a career in healthcare. They are only moved by wealth, status and power and lack compassion, sympathy, understanding and an open mind, preventing them from becoming great doctors in my opinion.
    Yes, it is of course completely logical to make a conclusion about "most students who go into medicine and dentistry" based on a completely tiny sample encountered at a party one evening.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by qwerty73)
    That just further proves the idea that most students who go into medicine and dentistry don't do it for the right reasons and so don't deserve to have a career in healthcare. They are only moved by wealth, status and power and lack compassion, sympathy, understanding and an open mind, preventing them from becoming great doctors in my opinion.
    Do you even know how much dentists and doctors make? Its not THAT much.
    Besides, why they do it isn't all that important. As long as they're good at it. A dentist or doctor who is only doing it for status, money or whatever but if they do their job well then it shouldn't really matter. If anybody is affected by it, its the individual themselves.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ando181)
    I was just at a family party and there were a number of medicine/dentistry students. i was talking to them about other degrees apart from dentistry and medicine and I was talking about bio-medicine pharmacy, optometry and some other courses. They all started laughing and said those courses are for rejects of medicine/dentistry. They said they often use their degree as a way to pick up girls too! I even heard about them saying that some of the students would bully the bio-med and pharmacy students calling them rejects.
    They genuinely considered all these other degrees 'below' them, I really hope I dont turn into one of these guys because Im really considering medicine/dentistry
    I'm about to start medicine at cambridge and I think what you are saying is partly true, many medicine and dentistry students do walk around feeling self-pride and more important than others. This is mainly because medicine and dentistry is very hard to get into due to extra interviews, the requirement of work experience, the entry exams and the low offer rates of all the medical and dental schools. But the nature of medicine or dentistry degree means that you are taught how to work with people of all walks of life so eventually this snobbery will eventually fade away from these individuals
    Offline

    13
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by qwerty73)
    That just further proves the idea that most students who go into medicine and dentistry don't do it for the right reasons and so don't deserve to have a career in healthcare. They are only moved by wealth, status and power and lack compassion, sympathy, understanding and an open mind, preventing them from becoming great doctors in my opinion.
    I'm sorry, but that is utter *******s.

    Posted from TSR Mobile
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Is it the same poster who keeps making these threads about dentists and medics?

    You mirin our empathy?
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by sbj)
    If you meet those kind of students, just tell them you study maths. It works perfect. Because they are below Mathematicians/Physicist by far and they know it.
    Maths/Physics might be smarter academically but how does that mean one is 'below' the other? How do you judge being 'below' somebody else?
    Edward Witten gets probably less recognition than a dentist or doctor from the general public, despite the fact that he may have the most incredible mind on the planet.

    Im actually interested in maths/physics as a layman though, having read BHOT at 14 as an example, you probably wouldn't get as nice response from other medics/dentsits
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by teen1234)
    Maths/Physics might be smarter academically but how does that mean one is 'below' the other? How do you judge being 'below' somebody else?
    Edward Witten gets probably less recognition than a dentist or doctor from the general public, despite the fact that he may have the most incredible mind on the planet.

    Im actually interested in maths/physics as a layman though, having read BHOT at 14 as an example, you probably wouldn't get as nice response from other medics/dentsits
    I actually think it would be pretty uncontroversial to say that the average medic/dentist is smarter than the average university mathematics student, because all medicine/dentistry courses are at least AAA, whereas you can get in for maths at lower-ranked universities with comparatively low A Level grades.

    Although I agree it is ridiculous to suggest that people are "below" others simply due to their university course.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Chief Wiggum)
    I actually think it would be pretty uncontroversial to say that the average medic/dentist is smarter than the average university mathematics student, because all medicine/dentistry courses are at least AAA, whereas you can get in for maths at lower-ranked universities with comparatively low A Level grades.

    Although I agree it is ridiculous to suggest that people are "below" others simply due to their university course.
    Yes, actually, you're right. Its only the top institutions where the maths/physics students would be more intelligent(basing it on academic achievement) than the medics/dentists.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by teen1234)
    Yes, actually, you're right. Its only the top institutions where the maths/physics students would be more intelligent(basing it on academic achievement) than the medics/dentists.
    It depends entirely on the student, though on average you might be right.

    I'm at a top 20 uni (at least) for maths. My uni's minimum requirements are ABB in one sitting in A level, though the typical offer is apparently AAA, but I was dux of a school where, like, half my year went on to study medicine. I got through to olympiads (not international level though) etc and got straight A*s at A level.

    I am struggling with the degree, while others on the medical degrees are doing fine. I'm not sure how much of this is down to certain personal circumstances of mine (which are quite severe), but it's possible I'm one of the less clever people on my degree programme, while I outperformed the medics at school.

    Others from my uni have gone on to be actuaries, statisticians and mathematicians, which sounds very interesting and intellectually demanding and can involve people skills, and is very highly paid.

    It's not just an academic challenge, though that one is significant. There are presentations and group work, though probably not to the same degree as in medicine/dentistry.
    Offline

    6
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by teen1234)
    Maths/Physics might be smarter academically but how does that mean one is 'below' the other? How do you judge being 'below' somebody else?
    Edward Witten gets probably less recognition than a dentist or doctor from the general public, despite the fact that he may have the most incredible mind on the planet.

    Im actually interested in maths/physics as a layman though, having read BHOT at 14 as an example, you probably wouldn't get as nice response from other medics/dentsits
    I said if you meet those kind of arrogant ones. Just if you want to make them feel the same.

    And academically every subject has its own value of course. And we can not compare these things.

    Wiggum and you make a real big mistake, I see that your logical thinking is not very good.
    Because with that explanation Pop musicians would be the better musicians than classical musicians which is clearly the opposite.
    But Pop is popular and there are many who follow it and want to become a popstar (because it is also much much easier than to be a real musician).

    So medicine is really popular, that means many people go for it. That is why the level is high and you know it, everyone knows it. They must select the bests because they don't have enough slots obviously.

    Think for a second logically. Why does maths have low numbers of applicants? Because it is hard. You know it, everyone knows it.
    You will be paid great, better than in most other jobs. Yet the numbers of applicants are low...

    Mathematics is the most challenging thing for our intellect, not medicine clearly.
    But this is like argueing with people who have no clue about music and claiming xxx singer/band is the best and so on.
    No, they are not. And medicine is below mathematics if we compare the challenge for our minds. Academically there is nothing like below or above.
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by sbj)
    I said if you meet those kind of arrogant ones. Just if you want to make them feel the same.

    And academically every subject has its own value of course. And we can not compare these things.

    Wiggum and you make a real big mistake, I see that your logical thinking is not very good.
    Because with that explanation Pop musicians would be the better musicians than classical musicians which is clearly the opposite.
    But Pop is popular and there are many who follow it and want to become a popstar (because it is also much much easier than to be a real musician).

    So medicine is really popular, that means many people go for it. That is why the level is high and you know it, everyone knows it.

    Think for a second logically. Why does maths have low numbers? Because it is hard. You know it, everyone knows it.

    Mathematics is the most challenging thing for our intellect, not medicine clearly.
    But this is like argueing with people who have no clue about music and claiming xxx singer/band is the best and so on.
    No, they are not. And medicine is below mathematics if we compare the challenge for our minds. Academically there is nothing like below or above.
    If you think maths is the hardest subject, that's fine. I just disagree with you claiming that mathematicians and physicists are "above" medical students. Surely that is a very arrogant statement?

    Also, I think you're probably digging yourself into a hole if you claim that the number of people applying for a course indicates how difficult it is...
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    It's really odd how medicine/dentistry students seem to be open season for blanket criticism, justified by some stereotypical notion that they're all arrogant and rude. This phenomena only seems to exist for med/dent. On top of that, I can't say I've ever actually met any meds/dents who genuinely sneer at other professions/degrees.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Chief Wiggum)
    If you think maths is the hardest subject, that's fine. I just disagree with you claiming that mathematicians and physicists are "above" medical students. Surely that is a very arrogant statement?

    Also, I think you're probably digging yourself into a hole if you claim that the number of people applying for a course indicates how difficult it is...
    It does depend on the maths student. A lot of maths and physics students are not more intelligent than medical students, but the ones getting firsts from Cambridge in maths are likely to be really bright.

    I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say that mathematicians and physicists (the top students of maths and physics who go on to do original maths/physics as a career) are brighter than most medical students.

    I've met plenty of medical students, and knew some at school. Some were pretty regular people, but I guess having that common touch is good for relating to patients. This doesn't mean they're brighter. It's a personality type.
 
 
 
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • Poll
    Will you be richer or poorer than your parents?
    Useful resources
    AtCTs

    Ask the Community Team

    Got a question about the site content or our moderation? Ask here.

    Welcome Lounge

    Welcome Lounge

    We're a friendly bunch. Post here if you're new to TSR.

    Groups associated with this forum:

    View associated groups
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

    Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

    Quick reply
    Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.