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    (Original post by Shaolin Punk)
    sorry but no
    Birmingham sucks. Why? its not the best at anything.

    Best place for Jamaican culture? Bristol
    Spent much time in Bristol? I went to uni there. It is the least integrated city I have ever been to. The difference with Birmingham is you don't have to go out your way like some weird tourist in your own city to experience Jamaican/Carribean culture, its all around you in your friends an neighbours, on the high street etc. Birmingham is far better integrated.

    Best place for Irish Extraction culture? Glasgow
    See above

    Best place for Asian culture? Bradford
    Birmingham has over 60,000 more people of Asian descent than Bradford and the choice is far greater. I spent the past two years living in Leeds and yeah, prashads in Bradford is really good, but not that much better than Jyoti in Birmingham.

    Best place for Chinese culture? Manchester
    Again see tourist reference. Plus you get all of these cultures in droves in Birmingham so unless you have some sort of obsession with a particular one you get the best of all cultures.

    the one thing that brummies can try to say they are the best at is being ghetto. and even then Manchester, Liverpool and a bunch of other northern cities are much more Ghetto than birmingham. so they can't even say they're the best of the worst. its just a nothing zone.
    Birmingham isn't particularly ghetto given it has the lowest crime rate of the ten biggest cities in the UK.

    are there any posh nice areas of birmingham? not really. the nicest one is edgbaston which is around the uni and even then thats not as nice as entire other places like Chester or Harrogate.
    Actually harbourne is the poshest are of Birmingham, but you also have Solihull and Meriden on the outskirts. On top of that Moseley is on a par with Edgebaston. There is also Bourneville which is both affordable and lovely - built by Cadbury for his workers.

    live events in birmingham SUCKS. Edinburgh, Manchester, Leeds, Bristol all crap on birmingham for live events and artistic performance.
    Are you kidding me? I used to have to travel back to Birmingham for gigs from Bristol half the time. Birmingham has the NEC, NIA, Academy, Barfly, custard factory to name but a few. Not to mention venues that started the careers of a whole bunch of bands like UB40 and the Beat. Check out the hare and hounds in Kings heath - that's my local pub. There's a thriving music scene in brummy whatever you are into.


    the nightlife in birmingham sucks. the only thing anybody seems to care bout is going to Gatecrasher (a chain of nightclubs up and down the uk. you've been to one you've seen em all) maybe you get some arty stuff round digbeth but its not consistent and poorly communicated.
    Broad street is awful but the small independent clubs are brilliant, the custard factory is an insane night out, rainbow warehouse is absolutely brilliant every time I've been and you missed out snobs - the greatest club in the entire country.

    communication.
    no one in birmingham seems to even know anything about birmingham. people in other cities are waaaay more in touch with whats available and even if they don't go to certain venues they know where they are.

    example. when I was in onestop in perry barr I asked like 6 people if there was any shops that sold bedding in there. everyone was clueless as f**k and said they had no idea and that i might wanna try the city centre.
    I walk around the corner and see a huge shop dedicated to bedding, an argos that sold bedding and another shop which i can't remember that sold house hold things like bedding.
    I find it the opposite, everyone I know has great local knowledge. I've had much more trouble finding out where things are since moving to London. And that's another thing, if new people move to your area in Birmingham people will invite you for dinner, give you the lowdown, here in London there's none of that.

    public transport in birmingham is weird and impractical compared to other cities like leeds and nottingham.
    birmingham is a big spread out city. so rather than everything being concise and in the centre, you'll have to find your self running about like a lunatic from one end to the other.
    the taxi drivers in birmingham are pretty famous for being *******s. many local brummies who have had the benefit to leave birmingham have often been surprised at how "normal" other taxi drivers are.
    The public transport is pretty cheap and better than either Leeds or Bristol. Busses are regular and the train routes fairly good. From by the uni you can get anywhere in the city you would need to be inside half an hour.

    As for taxis: one word - ambassador cabs. 6 quid home to Kings heath from town at 3 in the morning. Taxi drivers in Leeds are far more nuts. There's this one guy who has loads of porno in his car with clients O_o

    Poorly stocked
    when I'm in other cities I can walk into a shop. expect something to be there and buy it.
    in Birmingham they are constantly out of stock for things. when you ask members of staff anything about it like when they will restock they never know anything. the phrase "we can order it in" is something that I am not alien to. but the sheer frequency of the amount that i have to hear this is ridiculous.
    In all !y 23 years of living in or frequently visiting Birmingham I've had this issue once...

    Bad Business Ethic and customer service
    I have repeatedly had issues with customer service in birmingham. businesses are pretty badly ran. out of all the cities i've spent large amounts of time in the businesses in birmingham start and crumble regularly. anywhere good I have found and regularly frequent has gone under. not just this but stuff like pizza hut. pizza hut would deliver to a place further away from their store than where I was and had to drive past me to get there. yet they would not deliver to me because i was in the wrong postcode. now i've ordered from other pizza huts and new someone that worked there and they have a big ethic of going a little bit extra and using common sense. like if the place is 1 street out of their delivery zone they'll usually go for it. but not birmingham. no. there was also a place in birmingham that produces something i wanted to buy. i lived round the corner from the place but they told me i had to order it online... so thats just some examples of the top of my head.
    Again, never had this issue. London, on the other hand...

    Food.
    Birminghams food is pretty bad. if you want mediocre Jerk Chicken, Balti or 3am pizza kebab shops then your in luck. the caribbean food in birmingham is ok but not as good as i've had elsewhere. there doesn't seem to be any sense of competition to provide a better product. likewise with the curry shops. there are a few good ones, but not many. which considering how many there are in birmingham is pretty shocking. they are all boring. i think the only nice curry place that is actually worth your time is Lasan Eatery and the Best Jamaican being Bailey's but even thats hit and miss.
    Try living in Bristol - you have to pay out the arse for a decent curry there. There are some brilliant restaurants in Brum, and for a much more reasonable price than London. Lasan is not even close to the best curry place in Birmingham (although is decent, as are many many others) so you clearly don't have the best knowledge on the subject. The Ethiopian restaurant in the jewlerry quarter is heaven, I can't find an Ethiopian restaurant within a 45 minute journey in London. I would also say Yeh Man is the best Carribean.

    the general public of birmingham seem to not be in favour of independent original family run food places. like you cannot find a good old fashion italian place. its all chains. brummies LOVE chains. but more on that later.
    Are you joking me? Try the Portway. Its been in my (Italian) family for generations. Best stuffed onions you will ever eat.
    There's also San Carlo, of which there are only two, one in Bristol and one in Birmingham. Buonissimo in Harbourne is good too.There's a new brilliant family run Italian opened in Moseley just last month as well.

    Culture
    Birmingham's general culture and zeitgeist is pretty poor. people are as generally friendly but there is a spirit of getting one over people. manchester has a lot of ruff and seedy people but its also got a lot of nice people. its kind of one or the other. i have found in birmingham a common pattern of people being friendly to feel out for weakness and then trying to step on your toes or cross the line. you do have to keep putting people in their place.
    You are talking absolute rubbish. People in Birmingham are some of the most genuine, friendly people you will ever meet. Where I live in King's heath there is a really community spirit, everyone knows all the shop and business owners, new people in the area are welcomes with dinners and offers of help. There's so many independent run shops and restaurants that run community events.

    there's a lot of racism/racial tension. the National Front (racist white group) started in birmingham. Birmingham also has a lot of tension between the Black and Asian Communities and riots between them have kicked off in the 80s and 2005. they almost kicked off again during the august riots. the racism might not effect you. but certainly i have noticed convoys of typical pakistani chav profile driving in convoys down broad street trying to beckon drunk girls into their cars and getting pretty nasty about it.
    Birmingham is the city I've lived in with the most integration and least racial tension. People don't stand for that **** in Brum. It says a lot that our football hooligans were the Zulus because of their acceptance of black members- they may have been kicking your head in but at least they weren't racist.

    Broad street attracts all the scum of every race and is always best avoided.

    despite Birmingham's big caribbean population its carnival is still worse than bristol,leeds and quite possibly manchester. birminghams irish community has saint patrick's day which is not bad to be fair but for me it still doesn't beat manchester or glasgow.
    Leeds isn't that great either. Obviously Bristol's is amazing but someone does die there literally every year so there is also that to consider. The rest of the time the Carribean culture is pushed back under the carpet though, its really sad.

    St Patrick's day in Brum is up there.

    Our German market is the best I have been to.


    musically birmingham has not contributed anything since Heavy Metal. outside of that? birminghams strong point is not being original. its following. for example one of its best known bands UB40 was essentially a cover band that did reggae and it was a novelty because the lead singer was white. the best birmingham can do is be proud of keeping up. while london was coming up with grime and the north was coming up with Bassline, birmingham was was still trying to copy american rappers.
    The Beat? Editors? ELO? Ocean Colour Scene? The Streets? Dexys? Fine young Cannibals?

    Duran Duran also spent most of the 70s there and there are plenty of bands from Cov as well.

    as i mentioned above with the chain restaurants and what not. brummies only tend to like things once the rest of the UK has said its ok. so thats why they prefer eating at places like cafe rouge or nandos rather than a restaurant that serves the real deal local authentic stuff. just like how most brummies favour pretty much the only franchise nightclub above all the others. and its mostly outsider students who support Birmingham's digbeth scene. which by the way i refer to it you would think is a pulsing mecca of artistic incubation. but its not. its just not as bad as everywhere else.
    No, true brummies love snobs. Snobs has been running for over 50 years. Jesus you know nothing about Birmingham.

    want an example of their love for unoriginality? date someone from birmingham. boy or girl. go on a date with them see what they choose. i guarantee you that you will be overwhelmingly underwhelmed. if they do take you somewhere interesting you have either found someone who is not from birmingham, or who doesn't have a birmingham accent because they've travelled a lot or they are a very rare exception.
    The first date I went on with my boyfriend to Birmingham we went to the frigging awesome German market! Then to the huge waterstones, and then to the Electric cinema. And it was great.

    birmingham is looked down upon by most cities in the uk. not because its bad. but just because of how unremarkable and beige is for a place having the confidence to boast that its the "second city"
    Birmingham is looked down on by other cities in the UK because it is an ex industrial city with a high number of people of immigrant descent. 90% don't know the city at all and just for some obscure reason see it as a hotbed of crime, and think it's ugly (we were bombed badly in the war and then ended up with a concrete mess). Everyone from uni that came to see Birmingham changed their mind about it.

    i mean take this website for example
    www.birminghamitsnot****.co.uk
    how many other cities have a website like that?
    That's a satyrical website satirising journos from London who come to Birmingham for the day and write a price about how its 'actually quite nice'

    during my travels i met a columbian girl who went to the uk and lived in birmingham and she told me she couldn't wait to come back to columbia. you know... drug cartel ridden columbia...
    Columbia these days is actually pretty stable, its not what it used to be.

    Birmingham University is literally nice because its almost gated and quarantined off from the rest of the city like the vatican is from italy.
    Uhhhh, no. Its just round the corner from Bourneville for Christ's sake.

    to recap. my main motion about birmingham is
    "Its not particularly bad at anything. But its not particularly good at anything either"
    You don't seem to have very good knowledge of the city, have you ever even lived there?
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    (Original post by Crumpet1)
    Why would you even consider taking the view of two Londoners (who, for all you know, may never have visited any of the other cities you are talking about) over your own research? Go for the university offering the course that you want to study. Anyone who suggests to you that all universities in London are better than all universities outside London are talking nonsense. Birmingham is an excellent university, in Britain's second largest city, of course you should consider its offer very seriously.

    I don't understand why you haven't had to make a firm choice yet, but if you haven't, take the time now to visit all your choices and decide where YOU want to study.
    Could not agree more..
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    (Original post by bad8oy)
    No, just as I wouldn't fancy living in Swansea or Bradford lol.


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    Swansea's lovely, WTF's wrong with you?! Hull on the other hand...


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    (Original post by mbaker18)
    Please help!

    I'm from Los Angeles and I've been accepted to University of Westminster, University of the Arts London (LCC MA Advertising), Royal Holloway, University of East Anglia, University of Aberdeen and University of Birmingham.

    (all of the other unis are for Msc Marketing)

    At first UAL was my top choice, it wasn't until I did research on student life/social life that I thought a "campus setting" would be a better fit. A few days ago I got an offer from University of Birmingham which changed everything. I thought it was a game changer because it had a campus and was a russell group uni which has a lot of respect and job opportunities.

    I just landed in London about 8 hours ago for the first time and so far two Londoners have asked why I thought Birmingham was a good choice? They implied how boring it was and how if I'm coming to the UK, London is where I need to be. These were two random people, one at UK Boarder who suggested UAL because it was in London, the other around Camden Lock suggested Royal Holloway because its near London and is most respected of them all.

    This has really thrown me off because they made it seem like it was a bad choice? In the U.S college ranking is everything so I figured, Bham being a russell group uni, would be a better option.

    Please provide me with your honest opinions on which uni is most reputable and how I should go about deciding?

    Long term goal: I know its difficult but I plan to eventually move to the UK and I want to have made a good choice in Uni.

    Thank You!
    You sound like your mind's made up - Birmingham ticks every box other than location. Believe me when I say that to have fun in London, you need a LOT of money


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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    This is just utter nonsense OP, incredibly biased drivel from somebody with a grudge against the city. Birmingham's a nice place and is only going to get better and better. It's way better than Glasgow and Bradford. The live events are fantastic, all the top bands come to Birmingham, it's probably only second to London in that sense. There's a huge amount of food choice and very good transport as well.
    Such a shame that the totally unfounded negative rep of Birmingham with stupid ****y Londoners puts people off going to Uni there. The OP has now ruled out Birmingham on the basis of two up themselves Londoners and this moron who has no clue what they are talking about.

    (Original post by Cobbler)
    As a born and bred Londoner, I applied to five Universities and not a single one was in London. Before anyone says I didn't have the grades to, I'm predicted A* A* A.
    You couldn't pay me to stay here for 3 years to do my degree (and you would need to pay me a lot just to afford a sandwich).
    I'm off to Birmingham because I loved the look of it and the course. Whether I still love it in three years time? Who knows? That part of the experience.
    Don't listen to partisan people. Go with your instincts.
    Thankyou for not being a ****y Londoner

    If you want any tips on things to do/places to go I know the city pretty well
    I'm sure you'll have a great time, everyone I know who went there for uni stayed, all my parents friends originally came for uni and stayed. Its a great city despite the bad rep.
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    (Original post by MrSupernova)
    You sound like your mind's made up - Birmingham ticks every box other than location. Believe me when I say that to have fun in London, you need a LOT of money


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    k uno wat after reading all of this i kinda wanna be your friend i dont think i've met someone as interested in other cultures and city experiances as equally as me in a long while. very cool.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Spent much time in Bristol? I went to uni there. It is the least integrated city I have ever been to. The difference with Birmingham is you don't have to go out your way like some weird tourist in your own city to experience Jamaican/Carribean culture, its all around you in your friends an neighbours, on the high street etc. Birmingham is far better integrated.

    Birmingham has over 60,000 more people of Asian descent than Bradford and the choice is far greater. I spent the past two years living in Leeds and yeah, prashads in Bradford is really good, but not that much better than Jyoti in Birmingham.

    Again see tourist reference. Plus you get all of these cultures in droves in Birmingham so unless you have some sort of obsession with a particular one you get the best of all cultures.
    I keep meaning to check out jyoti but its just far from where I live.

    yea i used to work in bristol in st pauls.

    i get what your saying about integration it is cool that you have literally an irish pub, a jamaican restaurant and an asian newsagents right next to eachother on newtown row.

    but i feel like all the cultures have become diluted. like the irish community in brum isnt as lively. its more british and calm and less willing to get up n sing n dance around n throw a real hooli. same with jamaicans. they are way more reserved at dancehall raves and wont while out and let loose like the ones in bristol.

    so whereas you see segregated i see more culturally intact.

    plus i think the "segregation" of st pauls is actually quite cool its nice to see a black community with black businesses. whereas in perry barr and other places they struggle to compete with asian services.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Birmingham isn't particularly ghetto given it has the lowest crime rate of the ten biggest cities in the UK.
    i wouldnt reference crime rate so much. liverpool has a really low crime rate. but thats cause no one reports anything to the police. crime rate is basically a snitch rate. but a lot of the lads in birmingham like have birminghams ruffness integral to their ghetto story. and the more ghetto they make it out to be the more glorious their come up and more tuff they seem. like i seriously meet lads who think birmingham is like compton. and im not taking the piss when i say that. ive genuinely heard that.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Actually harbourne is the poshest are of Birmingham, but you also have Solihull and Meriden on the outskirts. On top of that Moseley is on a par with Edgebaston. There is also Bourneville which is both affordable and lovely - built by Cadbury for his workers.
    i consider harbourne and edgebaston as the same thing. its all round the uni.
    yea so basically south birmingham. although solihull has its ****holes too.

    moseley's nice but i just aint got any mates near there and i have no real reason to go down there.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Are you kidding me? I used to have to travel back to Birmingham for gigs from Bristol half the time. Birmingham has the NEC, NIA, Academy, Barfly, custard factory to name but a few. Not to mention venues that started the careers of a whole bunch of bands like UB40 and the Beat. Check out the hare and hounds in Kings heath - that's my local pub. There's a thriving music scene in brummy whatever you are into.
    well I love bashment and dubstep. and bristols great for that. but i remember there was so many little bars and cafe's with little new indie acts that were very arty and experimental when i was down there. and i really enjoyed bristols jazz scene and thought it was really cool that it was quite heavily black. whereas most jazz things i go it its black acts with white audience. n it makes me a bit uncomfortable n makes me think im in the cotton club or something.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Broad street is awful but the small independent clubs are brilliant, the custard factory is an insane night out, rainbow warehouse is absolutely brilliant every time I've been and you missed out snobs - the greatest club in the entire country.
    the nights at custard factory are rare, irregular and once in a blue moon. theyre so far and few between. and i only ever find out about something cool when i've missed it. n then i'll be checking their site religiously for weeks and nothing is updated. rainbow, yes. but i do mention that digbeth is the exception. so rainbow custard etc...

    snobs lol. thats a mixed one. i do like it. but i've been there before and it was really poor. you have to go there pretty late before it starts getting good. i have some white mates and i thought they'd like snobs... cuz... well. uno... their white init... lol. but yea they replied to me that no one was that white... so i took em to risa. which was ok. still prefer bambu. but thats hit n miss. n te bars a bit... up its own arse... and arcadian... all of the places look great from the outside. then u go in. and you wanna leave after 20 mins.

    (Original post by redferry)
    I find it the opposite, everyone I know has great local knowledge. I've had much more trouble finding out where things are since moving to London. And that's another thing, if new people move to your area in Birmingham people will invite you for dinner, give you the lowdown, here in London there's none of that.
    the picture your painting to me is that people from south of the city centre live in an entirely different birmingham. i think the most helpful guy i met in birmingham who was a local was one that worked in a hotel. thats it.

    (Original post by redferry)
    The public transport is pretty cheap and better than either Leeds or Bristol. Busses are regular and the train routes fairly good. From by the uni you can get anywhere in the city you would need to be inside half an hour.
    its certainly better than bristol in regards to price. can't talk on leeds though its so compact i usually just walk it.

    na its stupid getting from handsworth to perry barr though. the fact that you have to go into the city centre. or change at the other place in handsworth. u basically need to get 2 buses either way. and considering you could miss your bus and wait 10 minutes for both and then you have to travel in traffick your pushin more than 30 mins. and when the traffics bad getting from city centre to the southern bits of solihull is gonna take maybe more than 30. but you gotta admit the payment system is daft. and that after dark the buses are totally unreliable.

    (Original post by redferry)
    As for taxis: one word - ambassador cabs. 6 quid home to Kings heath from town at 3 in the morning. Taxi drivers in Leeds are far more nuts. There's this one guy who has loads of porno in his car with clients O_o
    I'll give them a try.
    yea taxi drivers a pretty much scum everywhere.

    (Original post by redferry)
    In all !y 23 years of living in or frequently visiting Birmingham I've had this issue once...
    i had it just the the other week. went to the apple shop to get a laptop cable and they had ran out.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Again, never had this issue. London, on the other hand...
    really? what kinda stuff hav u had a problem with in london?
    i can think of two places in hockley shut down recently. plus the bad customer service. also marco pierre steak house seems to be famous amongst my brummie peers for being incredibly rude to peolple of "low status"

    (Original post by redferry)
    Try living in Bristol - you have to pay out the arse for a decent curry there. There are some brilliant restaurants in Brum, and for a much more reasonable price than London. Lasan is not even close to the best curry place in Birmingham (although is decent, as are many many others) so you clearly don't have the best knowledge on the subject. The Ethiopian restaurant in the jewlerry quarter is heaven, I can't find an Ethiopian restaurant within a 45 minute journey in London. I would also say Yeh Man is the best Carribean.
    the jamaican food in bristol destroys anything i've had in birmingham. minus fenky janes patties but thats it. yea i always used to have my curries at the thali cafe. but yea it was expensive. but some of the best currys ive ever had. chinese food in bristol was crap. there used to be a cool morrocan place in bristol on the corner of albion but i think that might be shut now. and theres also some really nice places by the waterside in bristol.

    yea i gotta say i've been flirting with going to the blue nile for a while. but it all looks a bit... mashed up and i dont know what anything is. n i'd prefer to go with like an ethiopian mate who new their way about the food. the honey wine looks awesome though. where would you recommend for curry in brum? keep in mind im in lozells and dont have a car.

    also wheres yeh man?

    (Original post by redferry)
    Are you joking me? Try the Portway. Its been in my (Italian) family for generations. Best stuffed onions you will ever eat.
    There's also San Carlo, of which there are only two, one in Bristol and one in Birmingham. Buonissimo in Harbourne is good too.There's a new brilliant family run Italian opened in Moseley just last month as well.
    yea i i'll have to try portway but its very far from me.

    san carlo's a bit more realistic tho i'll giv that a go.

    whats the moseley place called?

    (Original post by redferry)
    You are talking absolute rubbish. People in Birmingham are some of the most genuine, friendly people you will ever meet. Where I live in King's heath there is a really community spirit, everyone knows all the shop and business owners, new people in the area are welcomes with dinners and offers of help. There's so many independent run shops and restaurants that run community events.
    yea but thats kings heath though...

    (Original post by redferry)
    Birmingham is the city I've lived in with the most integration and least racial tension. People don't stand for that **** in Brum. It says a lot that our football hooligans were the Zulus because of their acceptance of black members- they may have been kicking your head in but at least they weren't racist.
    i hear ya with the zulus. i'm a fan of em. pretty much the only reason i side with city over villa. which of course living in aston is asking for trouble but meh.

    and yea im not denying theres integration but you can't deny theres a lot of racial tension.

    i mean the the phoenix on bell lane was always a no go for non whites. its shut now i think but inhabitants that made it a no go are still living around it. infact the whole estate round there is pretty dangerous for black people to go to. they're there too. but its still dangerous. and a lot of my black mates could tell you some stories.

    i mean this has pretty much been my experience of racism in birmingham


    i've had numerous taxi drivers spontaneously start being racist against black people too me and then when im like. "my girlfriends black" they switch and say its mixed people that they mean and im like "i got mixed race people in my family." its so retarded.
    and i keep hearing that mechus is racist?

    but yea like the video above i've met a bunch of lads exactly like that.

    ive personally seen a lot of racism between or towards certain groups in brum and im white. so i imagine its more common for black people.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Broad street attracts all the scum of every race and is always best avoided.
    agreed.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Leeds isn't that great either. Obviously Bristol's is amazing but someone does die there literally every year so there is also that to consider. The rest of the time the Carribean culture is pushed back under the carpet though, its really sad.
    yea i aint experienced leeds carnival myself but it certainly gets bigged up more than brum. and yea sadly thats how bristol is. it almost feels like you havent had the dancehall experience without an angry women throwing acid onto someone at the end of the night. i wasnt aware if it was bristol being racist or if it was just black solidarity that kept bristols black community so concise. theres quite a "right on" movement there.

    (Original post by redferry)
    St Patrick's day in Brum is up there.
    personally i quite like st paddies in birmingham. but thats mainly cause i like the dubliner. all tho its bin dun up a bit recently so i dunno if its the same. it used to be quite ruff with the boxing belts and photos all about, but i liked that. i noticed the witton arms used to have a painting of michael collins but they took that down. i think they kept getting trouble from skinhead villa fans.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Our German market is the best I have been to.
    the german market is certainly big. but waaaaaay too crowded. i cant bare it. i felt like a refugee at passport control it was so crowded and slow moving. there should really be some congestion management. also i heard last year there was some aids ridden heroin addicted stabbing people up. which adds a touch of character i suppose.

    (Original post by redferry)
    The Beat? Editors? ELO? Ocean Colour Scene? The Streets? Dexys? Fine young Cannibals?

    Duran Duran also spent most of the 70s there and there are plenty of bands from Cov as well.
    im not saying brum didnt join in with stuff. you forgot goldie too altho u could argue he was more wolves affliated but who cares. and devil mans mc'ing style has been ripped off totally by Jammer and people assosiated to him even sox has tried it. but my point is birmingham never had its own sound. other than heavy metal. but that was back in the day. its still following out of towners.

    (Original post by redferry)
    No, true brummies love snobs. Snobs has been running for over 50 years. Jesus you know nothing about Birmingham.
    yea but lets be real. snobs rarely has a line outside. you just get in.
    gate crasher, risa, rococo all have big lines outside. those clubs dont even have the capacity for everyone that wants to go in and they have to start turning people away after like 1am. its dumb. and if ur a guy and ur not in there before 12 forget about it. wheras i've never seen a line at snobs or seen its capacity full or anything like that.


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    The first date I went on with my boyfriend to Birmingham we went to the frigging awesome German market! Then to the huge waterstones, and then to the Electric cinema. And it was great.
    the electric is a romantic thing to do i grant ya. waterstones.... mmmmmna. waterstones and i have beef in brum. theres two. and every book im after they never have it in.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Birmingham is looked down on by other cities in the UK because it is an ex industrial city with a high number of people of immigrant descent. 90% don't know the city at all and just for some obscure reason see it as a hotbed of crime, and think it's ugly (we were bombed badly in the war and then ended up with a concrete mess). Everyone from uni that came to see Birmingham changed their mind about it.
    yea but to be fair manchester, leeds, sheffield nottingham and newcastle Middlesborough are all industrial cities too. and manchester's pretty ethnically mixed. i assume leeds too but i can't vouch.

    birmingham did used to be pretty bad. i remember when i used to come down on the coach 10 years ago there was burntout joyrider cars littering the countryside as you got closer to the city.

    (Original post by redferry)
    That's a satyrical website satirising journos from London who come to Birmingham for the day and write a price about how its 'actually quite nice'
    im aware yea, but Manchester doesn't have that issue.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Columbia these days is actually pretty stable, its not what it used to be.
    depends where you go. bogota isnt too bad. although there was a bunch of homeless children murdered there not too long ago cause shop owners thought they were putting tourists off.

    (Original post by redferry)
    Uhhhh, no. Its just round the corner from Bourneville for Christ's sake.
    i dont get what your point is. are you saying its not cut off cuz its round the corner from bourneville? why is bournville so special from harbourne and edgebaston being next to the uni?

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    You don't seem to have very good knowledge of the city, have you ever even lived there?
    yes i've lived here for 3 years straight and been visiting since 2005
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    You shouldn't even consider going to Aberdeen IMO. London too expensive so Birmingham it is. People that talk rubbish about Birmingham that have probably never even been there are wrong and you'd be stupid to let it sway your decision.
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    k uno wat after reading all of this i kinda wanna be your friend i dont think i've met someone as interested in other cultures and city experiances as equally as me in a long while. very cool.



    I keep meaning to check out jyoti but its just far from where I live.
    I think personally it is my favourite although don't tell our local that.. (Spice Merchant Kings Heath...)

    yea i used to work in bristol in st pauls.

    i get what your saying about integration it is cool that you have literally an irish pub, a jamaican restaurant and an asian newsagents right next to eachother on newtown row.

    but i feel like all the cultures have become diluted. like the irish community in brum isnt as lively. its more british and calm and less willing to get up n sing n dance around n throw a real hooli. same with jamaicans. they are way more reserved at dancehall raves and wont while out and let loose like the ones in bristol.



    so whereas you see segregated i see more culturally intact.

    plus i think the "segregation" of st pauls is actually quite cool its nice to see a black community with black businesses. whereas in perry barr and other places they struggle to compete with asian services.
    Bristol was so segregated though. As a white person in Bristol who comes from Birmingham I found bristol a bit traumatic to be honest. I experiences virtually no carribean culture, noone would come with me to StPauls because of it's bad rep and as a result I had a virtuallt entireley 'white' experience as a student.

    i wouldnt reference crime rate so much. liverpool has a really low crime rate. but thats cause no one reports anything to the police. crime rate is basically a snitch rate. but a lot of the lads in birmingham like have birminghams ruffness integral to their ghetto story. and the more ghetto they make it out to be the more glorious their come up and more tuff they seem. like i seriously meet lads who think birmingham is like compton. and im not taking the piss when i say that. ive genuinely heard that.
    I just moved to Lewisham and it is definiteley rougher here lol

    i consider harbourne and edgebaston as the same thing. its all round the uni.
    yea so basically south birmingham. although solihull has its ****holes too.

    moseley's nice but i just aint got any mates near there and i have no real reason to go down there.
    Moseley is the nicest part of Birmingham IMHO - it has a bit of everything, it's not bland like harbourne and Edgebaston either, there's a much better cultural scene there and the Folk and Jazz festivals there are great fun.

    well I love bashment and dubstep. and bristols great for that. but i remember there was so many little bars and cafe's with little new indie acts that were very arty and experimental when i was down there. and i really enjoyed bristols jazz scene and thought it was really cool that it was quite heavily black. whereas most jazz things i go it its black acts with white audience. n it makes me a bit uncomfortable n makes me think im in the cotton club or something.
    the nights at custard factory are rare, irregular and once in a blue moon. theyre so far and few between. and i only ever find out about something cool when i've missed it. n then i'll be checking their site religiously for weeks and nothing is updated. rainbow, yes. but i do mention that digbeth is the exception. so rainbow custard etc..[/quote]


    Yeah Bristol is amazing for that but outside of that most of the clubs are godawful. The custard factory used to have an absolute tonne of things going on, strange that you say not much goes on there :/ I saw Subfocus there just last year. Have to say I much prefer it to WHP in Manchester - jesus that event is overrated.

    In Bristol there was Motion and the events there but outside of that I found most clubs that had promise were usually dead (Dojo's, Timbuktu etc).

    snobs lol. thats a mixed one. i do like it. but i've been there before and it was really poor. you have to go there pretty late before it starts getting good. i have some white mates and i thought they'd like snobs... cuz... well. uno... their white init... lol. but yea they replied to me that no one was that white... so i took em to risa. which was ok. still prefer bambu. but thats hit n miss. n te bars a bit... up its own arse... and arcadian... all of the places look great from the outside. then u go in. and you wanna leave after 20 mins.

    Oh god I hate Risa -_- I always get felt up every time I go there.
    I've still not ventured over to arcadian, I like subway city a lot though as well, although I've not been for years and actually have no idea if it's still going...used to be great though £10 entry and free drinks all night

    the picture your painting to me is that people from south of the city centre live in an entirely different birmingham. i think the most helpful guy i met in birmingham who was a local was one that worked in a hotel. thats it.
    Possibly, I mean if someone was to ask me about Lozelles I'd be like uhmmm it's a bit rough....

    Same for perry barr, my gran used to live there, not a fan. You should come to moseley, everyone's loveley and we have weird local celebrities like Pete the Feet who took too much acid in the seventies and never wears shoes. Not that your experiences are any less 'Birmingham' but I think growing up in Kings Heath is more likeley to be closer to the student experience.

    its certainly better than bristol in regards to price. can't talk on leeds though its so compact i usually just walk it.

    na its stupid getting from handsworth to perry barr though. the fact that you have to go into the city centre. or change at the other place in handsworth. u basically need to get 2 buses either way. and considering you could miss your bus and wait 10 minutes for both and then you have to travel in traffick your pushin more than 30 mins. and when the traffics bad getting from city centre to the southern bits of solihull is gonna take maybe more than 30. but you gotta admit the payment system is daft. and that after dark the buses are totally unreliable.
    See these are places you would literally never go to as a student :P

    The busses to and from the student areas, selly oak, the bristol road etc are very good.

    I'll give them a try.
    yea taxi drivers a pretty much scum everywhere.
    My friends dad is a cab driver for them lol

    i had it just the the other week. went to the apple shop to get a laptop cable and they had ran out.
    urgh that's just apple shops the world over though from what I hear.

    really? what kinda stuff hav u had a problem with in london?
    i can think of two places in hockley shut down recently. plus the bad customer service. also marco pierre steak house seems to be famous amongst my brummie peers for being incredibly rude to peolple of "low status"
    Just people being rude and not engaging with me when I say I'm new to the area

    We never had a problem at Marco Pierres but I don't think Purnell's took to us that well hehe. They weren't rude but my mum is a constant embarassment so I don't think we were their usual custom.

    We usually stick around Kings Heath/Moseley and everyone is really friendly

    the jamaican food in bristol destroys anything i've had in birmingham. minus fenky janes patties but thats it. yea i always used to have my curries at the thali cafe. but yea it was expensive. but some of the best currys ive ever had. chinese food in bristol was crap. there used to be a cool morrocan place in bristol on the corner of albion but i think that might be shut now. and theres also some really nice places by the waterside in bristol.
    Noooo curry in Bristol was rubbish. Thali is literally the only place worth a mention.
    The Rainbow in Kings Heath is my favourite for Chinese in Brum but they are much better if you eat in than take out. Yeah I'm pretty sure that shut, we went there once. I wasn't a major fan of Bristols food, I much preferred Leeds (and Birmingham).

    yea i gotta say i've been flirting with going to the blue nile for a while. but it all looks a bit... mashed up and i dont know what anything is. n i'd prefer to go with like an ethiopian mate who new their way about the food. the honey wine looks awesome though. where would you recommend for curry in brum? keep in mind im in lozells and dont have a car.
    Blue Nile is amazing. just order a bunch of stuff it will all be good.

    hmmm curry. Well I'd head to Jyoti if you can. I also really like Shereen Kadah by Moseley Swimming baths. I used to go there and get sweets after going swimming as a kid and the sweets are insanely good there, but the curry is really good too. The goat curry in Al Faizals is the best I've had, although I've heard some people had bad experiences there, it has always been good when I have been. Pushkar on Broad street used to be Excellent but I have not been for years.

    as for value for money, it has to be the Lahore - all you can eat for 8.95


    also wheres yeh man?
    Just looked it up and I can only find reference to One in Birmingham Alabama so one can only assume it is no longer in existance, how sad I'll ask my rents, maybe it's changed name/location/they went to the other Birmingham?

    The Caribe Grill in Moseley is decent so you could try there, but I think Big Nannys is probably better.

    yea i i'll have to try portway but its very far from me.
    If they are still on the menu - stuffed onions. I'm serious. So good.
    We never go any more because they always give us free stuff and my dad gets guilty

    san carlo's a bit more realistic tho i'll giv that a go.

    whats the moseley place called?
    Prego? I think?

    It's really new so they're still having to iron out a lot of service stuff but the food was really good.


    yea but thats kings heath though...
    I think you mean the best place to live in Birmingham on account of it not being too 'bourgey' or too 'rough' and the fact the 50 bus runs ever 2 minutes to town....

    i hear ya with the zulus. i'm a fan of em. pretty much the only reason i side with city over villa. which of course living in aston is asking for trouble but meh.

    and yea im not denying theres integration but you can't deny theres a lot of racial tension.

    i mean the the phoenix on bell lane was always a no go for non whites. its shut now i think but inhabitants that made it a no go are still living around it. infact the whole estate round there is pretty dangerous for black people to go to. they're there too. but its still dangerous. and a lot of my black mates could tell you some stories.

    i mean this has pretty much been my experience of racism in birmingham


    i've had numerous taxi drivers spontaneously start being racist against black people too me and then when im like. "my girlfriends black" they switch and say its mixed people that they mean and im like "i got mixed race people in my family." its so retarded.
    and i keep hearing that mechus is racist?
    It's a shame, and it's true, there are rough estates, but as a student (or even myself) you would never go to them.

    I don't know anything about Mechus but I know a lot of the bouncers on broad street were racist towards chinese people a while back, that was pretty bad. But again, broad street, best avoided.

    Again - for cabbies - use Ambassador.

    I think most of the racial tension centers around different groups of immigrants not getting on at our end of the city.

    but yea like the video above i've met a bunch of lads exactly like that.

    ive personally seen a lot of racism between or towards certain groups in brum and im white. so i imagine its more common for black people.
    From what you have said though, you frequent the less middle class areas, which as a student the OP would never ever need to go anywhere near.

    For me, a summary of racial tensions in Birmingham would be this incident a couple of years ago:
    Old Pakistani woman on the bus tells the Eastern European driver (in a thick Pakistani accent) 'why can't you learn to speak English before you come here!'

    yea i aint experienced leeds carnival myself but it certainly gets bigged up more than brum. and yea sadly thats how bristol is. it almost feels like you havent had the dancehall experience without an angry women throwing acid onto someone at the end of the night. i wasnt aware if it was bristol being racist or if it was just black solidarity that kept bristols black community so concise. theres quite a "right on" movement there.
    It's pretty lame, I've always thought Brums was as good.

    Bristol is so tense, I never felt that safe in Bristol.
    As someone wholly engrossed in the 'white' side of that culture, there's definitely an element of racism. The things people in Clifton say about St Pauls :/ Never been anywhere as racist as Bristol tbh.

    personally i quite like st paddies in birmingham. but thats mainly cause i like the dubliner. all tho its bin dun up a bit recently so i dunno if its the same. it used to be quite ruff with the boxing belts and photos all about, but i liked that. i noticed the witton arms used to have a painting of michael collins but they took that down. i think they kept getting trouble from skinhead villa fans.
    bloody villa fans, now that's the real problem with Birmingham!

    the german market is certainly big. but waaaaaay too crowded. i cant bare it. i felt like a refugee at passport control it was so crowded and slow moving. there should really be some congestion management. also i heard last year there was some aids ridden heroin addicted stabbing people up. which adds a touch of character i suppose.
    It's better since they expanded it down to the ICC, much more room to move.
    That did not happen last year as far as I am aware!

    Someone did get stabbed in central last year but not at the market and it was by some mentally ill man :/ happens everywhere I guess.

    im not saying brum didnt join in with stuff. you forgot goldie too altho u could argue he was more wolves affliated but who cares. and devil mans mc'ing style has been ripped off totally by Jammer and people assosiated to him even sox has tried it. but my point is birmingham never had its own sound. other than heavy metal. but that was back in the day. its still following out of towners.
    Wel we did pretty much invent heavy metal, that's quite cool. I wouldn't say Leeds had it's own sound either though. And Bristol's is basically the Wurzels and then Drum and Bass. the Specials and the Beat weren't really followers either.

    yea but lets be real. snobs rarely has a line outside. you just get in.
    gate crasher, risa, rococo all have big lines outside. those clubs dont even have the capacity for everyone that wants to go in and they have to start turning people away after like 1am. its dumb. and if ur a guy and ur not in there before 12 forget about it. wheras i've never seen a line at snobs or seen its capacity full or anything like that.

    Is the lack of ques since it changed venues? because I think I've had to que literally every time I've been, and I used to go like every other week in 6th form :/

    It used to always be rammed, even on week nights.

    the electric is a romantic thing to do i grant ya. waterstones.... mmmmmna. waterstones and i have beef in brum. theres two. and every book im after they never have it in.
    How annoying. It's a loveley building though, we just go to browse.

    The new Library is also insane if you haven't been

    yea but to be fair manchester, leeds, sheffield nottingham and newcastle Middlesborough are all industrial cities too. and manchester's pretty ethnically mixed. i assume leeds too but i can't vouch.
    Leeds again isn't that integrated, but there's big carribean and Indian/Pakistani communities. Who as far as I can tell seem to have a lot of racial disputes...

    birmingham did used to be pretty bad. i remember when i used to come down on the coach 10 years ago there was burntout joyrider cars littering the countryside as you got closer to the city.
    Nothing like that now though.


    im aware yea, but Manchester doesn't have that issue.
    That's because Manchester have a cultural identity that us Midlanders lack, leaving us to be bashed by both the North and the south.

    i dont get what your point is. are you saying its not cut off cuz its round the corner from bourneville? why is bournville so special from harbourne and edgebaston being next to the uni?
    I meant more there are plenty of places to go, do and see, it is well connected, easy to get to Moseley and town. I think Birmingham Uni is a lot less isolated than Bristol in it's Clifton bubble.

    yes i've lived here for 3 years straight and been visiting since 2005
    You need to get your arse to South Brum clearly!
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    (Original post by Yankshire_Rose)
    OP, I'm American and from California as well, lived in the UK for 9 yrs now... just wanted to log in and give my opinion. Of all the schools you've mentioned, Birmingham is the best by far. I've nothing against Aberdeen, but as a city it is a lot smaller and a lot less diverse than a lot of the cities you could choose from. I'm not really clear on what sort of British university experience you're after. Are you looking for a university with a good international reputation that will help you find work when you move back? Or are you trying to find a city you can live in here and possibly stay on after you finish?
    I'm from Southern California and I went to USC so I'm really done with the whole So Cal/ Orange County mentality. Since being in the UK I've realized what type of racism I've dealt with now that I'm in a place that has very little of it towards blacks (as I've experienced and heard from close friends). Honestly from Southern California to London its like night and day.

    So to answer your question I'm just looking for a place to have a good quality of life. It's not sooo much about the academics as it is having a decent time in a nice enviornment, I can get an MBA from Aberdeen or an Msc in Marketing from Birmingham, UAL, Royal Holloway or UEA. Being in London, I really like it (especially seeing how open/ well whites and blacks get along, soo many interracial couples) but aside from this I feel like im in LA, I was hoping to go to the outskirts in order to get a more British experience. In London I hardly heard English accents it was more indian/middle eastern.

    Does anyone think Aberdeen is a good option? I'm heading there today to check it out! I would eventually love to move to the UK like you did! Can you explain how you were able to relocate from California to the UK? Also "diversity" doesn't really matter to me, as long as a lack of diversity doesn't affect racist views towards those who are different.
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    (Original post by mbaker18)
    I'm from Southern California and I went to USC so I'm really done with the whole So Cal/ Orange County mentality. Since being in the UK I've realized what type of racism I've dealt with now that I'm in a place that has very little of it towards blacks (as I've experienced and heard from close friends). Honestly from Southern California to London its like night and day.

    So to answer your question I'm just looking for a place to have a good quality of life. It's not sooo much about the academics as it is having a decent time in a nice enviornment, I can get an MBA from Aberdeen or an Msc in Marketing from Birmingham, UAL, Royal Holloway or UEA. Being in London, I really like it (especially seeing how open/ well whites and blacks get along, soo many interracial couples) but aside from this I feel like im in LA, I was hoping to go to the outskirts in order to get a more British experience. In London I hardly heard English accents it was more indian/middle eastern.

    Does anyone think Aberdeen is a good option? I'm heading there today to check it out! I would eventually love to move to the UK like you did! Can you explain how you were able to relocate from California to the UK? Also "diversity" doesn't really matter to me, as long as a lack of diversity doesn't affect racist views towards those who are different.
    I'm still flying the flag for Aberdeen As has been said though you do really need to visit it for yourself to decide, the city is probably one of those places where you need to spend a few days rather than try to judge it in one day - on the first day all you'll notice is the insane amount of grey!
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    (Original post by alow)
    New York. Living costs cheaper. What the **** have you been smoking?

    Have you ever actually visited New York or LA? Maybe you should before saying they're better than any place in the UK. Personally I'd live in London over LA any day.
    i guess some people who live in london are sick of it and see that movie make la sound like heaven tbh i love the though of living in america but people have opinions
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    See London's nice and all but I just want to be able to go to the pub with a fiver and be able to get two pints of Strongbow without having to dip into my shrapnel. Is that really too much to ask?


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    Aberdeen is a fairly out of the way place that not many of us will have visited. You might do better looking around on the specific Aberdeen University forum on here.
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    (Original post by mbaker18)
    I'm from Southern California and I went to USC so I'm really done with the whole So Cal/ Orange County mentality. Since being in the UK I've realized what type of racism I've dealt with now that I'm in a place that has very little of it towards blacks (as I've experienced and heard from close friends). Honestly from Southern California to London its like night and day.

    So to answer your question I'm just looking for a place to have a good quality of life. It's not sooo much about the academics as it is having a decent time in a nice enviornment, I can get an MBA from Aberdeen or an Msc in Marketing from Birmingham, UAL, Royal Holloway or UEA. Being in London, I really like it (especially seeing how open/ well whites and blacks get along, soo many interracial couples) but aside from this I feel like im in LA, I was hoping to go to the outskirts in order to get a more British experience. In London I hardly heard English accents it was more indian/middle eastern.

    Does anyone think Aberdeen is a good option? I'm heading there today to check it out! I would eventually love to move to the UK like you did! Can you explain how you were able to relocate from California to the UK? Also "diversity" doesn't really matter to me, as long as a lack of diversity doesn't affect racist views towards those who are different.
    If you really like the British countryside then Aberdeen is the place for you I guess. I feel like location wise that's the only benefit of Aberdeen (its tiny and far more isolated than any of the others you are looking at other than maybe UEA).

    Just go and see if you like it.

    Maybe check out the Aberdeen Uni boards to find out about the nightlife.
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    Just came back from University of aberdeen and LOVED it!
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    To be honest I wouldn't go to Royal Holloway for the whole London experience. It is quite far from Central London and has a more country side feel! Also bear in mind the expenses for traveling into Central London (a typical oyster card cannot be used to travel to Royal Holloway - only in London). Birmingham isn't bad, it'll be better than most other cities considering it is the largest city (after London) so don't dismiss it on that merit.
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    (Original post by mbaker18)
    Just came back from University of aberdeen and LOVED it!
    Excellent! Hopefully makes your decision a wee bit easier
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    Thanks everyone for your comments! At this point Aberdeen is at the top of my list. I'm visiting UAL and UEA in the next few days!
 
 
 
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