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    (Original post by Kolasinac138)
    Obviously the Bosnian army was good, it freed the country you fool.
    If you mean the year 1995 the most significant part was liberated by the HV whoose territory which they captured were switched for the link between Sarajevo and the rest of the ABiH controlled territory.

    Of course instead of giving thanks to Croatia for that, preventing a new genocide in Bihać and even feeding your refugee in hotels the Muslims are instead tring to equate Croatia with Serbia
    A bunch of civilians who had never fought before formed a resistance movement against the 4th largest army in the world.
    The first resistance was organised by the HVO and the HV in Croatia. Your leader Alija declared neutrality and said "it is not their war"

    Also, the HVO manage to defend Mostar long before ABiH even existed
    http://hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operacija_Lipanjske_zore


    Also, Herzeg-Bosnia, so to speak, was also a genocidal entity and has no right to exist. BOSNA BOSNJACIMA.
    The former territory which used to be HRHB is even today multietnich. Mostar unlike Sarajevo or Banja Luka is has a significant part of non-Croat residents (Livno also) unlike the cities or territories which was held by the ABiH or VRS.

    Sarajevo was etnich cleansed from Serbs in 95. and Bugojno has almost not any Croat.

    HB was created in 1991 as a defense territory against the Serbs. Ironicall for as it was the first to fight. Herzegovina is Croatia and it will always be

    So yes, facts speak for themselfs.
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    (Original post by zgb1)
    If you mean the year 1995 the most significant part was liberated by the HV whoose territory which they captured were switched for the link between Sarajevo and the rest of the ABiH controlled territory.

    Of course instead of giving thanks to Croatia for that, preventing a new genocide in Bihać and even feeding your refugee in hotels the Muslims are instead tring to equate Croatia with Serbia

    The first resistance was organised by the HVO and the HV in Croatia. Your leader Alija declared neutrality and said "it is not their war"

    Also, the HVO manage to defend Mostar long before ABiH even existed
    http://hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operacija_Lipanjske_zore



    The former territory which used to be HRHB is even today multietnich. Mostar unlike Sarajevo or Banja Luka is has a significant part of non-Croat residents (Livno also) unlike the cities or territories which was held by the ABiH or VRS.

    Sarajevo was etnich cleansed from Serbs in 95. and Bugojno has almost not any Croat.

    HB was created in 1991 as a defense territory against the Serbs. Ironicall for as it was the first to fight. Herzegovina is Croatia and it will always be

    So yes, facts speak for themselfs.
    "HRHB" defended Mostar? LMAO. HRHB destroyed one of the monuments of the Balkans, the 600 year old Ottoman bridge of Mostar with shelling.

    On top of that, Tuzla has many many Bosnian Catholics, probably a higher ratio than of Bosniaks in Livno. So do Kiseljak, Jajce, Vitez and Novi Travnik.


    Funny that, as far as I'm aware Herzegovina is part of the country state of Bosnia and Herzegovina, a sovereign state, and not part of Croatia. Would you care to enlighten me here?


    Just out of interest, I'd like to mention that in 1991 there were 750,000 Bosnian Catholics, and now there are 350,000 and the number is dropping year by year.
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    (Original post by Kolasinac138)
    "HRHB" defended Mostar? LMAO. HRHB destroyed one of the monuments of the Balkans, the 600 year old Ottoman bridge of Mostar with shelling.
    As said before Operation Lipanjske Zore pawns you as it clearly shows that HRHB defeated the JNA in Mostar, at the time there was no Armija BiH and Alija was neutral.

    There is no evidence that the Birdge was destroyed by the HVO, that even the Hague tribunal stateted and that the ABiH could also be the suspect. The only footage of the destroying the Bridge was filmed by a British agent with the presence of the Abih. So, just count how much is 2+2 and there is your answer.

    Even if that is true, still ABiH has Mujaheedin forces that killed ordinary people and destroyed Churches. There is even a footage on youtube where they were beheading a soldeir.

    On top of that, Tuzla has many many Bosnian Catholics, probably a higher ratio than of Bosniaks in Livno. So do Kiseljak, Jajce, Vitez and Novi Travnik.
    Kiseljak had the HVO all the time. Jajce was liberated by the HV as well the two mentioned places. All three have the same or less Croats than Livno has Muslims (10%)

    Funny that, as far as I'm aware Herzegovina is part of the country state of Bosnia and Herzegovina, a sovereign state, and not part of Croatia. Would you care to enlighten me here?
    1. Bosnia and Herzegovina is not a souvereign state. For instance it has a high commisionar that makes laws (usually according to the Bosniaks; and even that is changing slowly as the foreginers are getting more in touch with the situation there and that the Bosniaks are currently the destabilising factor). Two memebers of the Constitutional court are judge from the European Court for human rights.

    2. Herzegovina is region different from Bosnia which is another region.

    3. Croats have constitutivity in BiH according to the BiH constitution, so therefore it is Croatian land. The second is for historical reasons as BiH was part of Croatia prior to the arrival of Turks.

    Just out of interest, I'd like to mention that in 1991 there were 750,000 Bosnian Catholics, and now there are 350,000 and the number is dropping year by year.
    The most negative expections says there are 450,000 Croats in BiH. Even your making fun of the etnich cleanings of Croats is gross.

    Even the current avaliable statistic are showing you are losing Mostar and Herzegovina. And the result is that Mostar is today Croatian than never before.

    Call me Catholic, I am not the one who has to proove everytime is mad artifical like in the case of Muslim/Bosniaks/Turks/Muslim Croat/Bogumils/Muslim Yugoslavs/what-ever-they-are-called-today.
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    (Original post by zgb1)
    As said before Operation Lipanjske Zore pawns you as it clearly shows that HRHB defeated the JNA in Mostar, at the time there was no Armija BiH and Alija was neutral.

    There is no evidence that the Birdge was destroyed by the HVO, that even the Hague tribunal stateted and that the ABiH could also be the suspect. The only footage of the destroying the Bridge was filmed by a British agent with the presence of the Abih. So, just count how much is 2+2 and there is your answer.

    Even if that is true, still ABiH has Mujaheedin forces that killed ordinary people and destroyed Churches. There is even a footage on youtube where they were beheading a soldeir.


    Kiseljak had the HVO all the time. Jajce was liberated by the HV as well the two mentioned places. All three have the same or less Croats than Livno has Muslims (10%)


    1. Bosnia and Herzegovina is not a souvereign state. For instance it has a high commisionar that makes laws (usually according to the Bosniaks; and even that is changing slowly as the foreginers are getting more in touch with the situation there and that the Bosniaks are currently the destabilising factor). Two memebers of the Constitutional court are judge from the European Court for human rights.

    2. Herzegovina is region different from Bosnia which is another region.

    3. Croats have constitutivity in BiH according to the BiH constitution, so therefore it is Croatian land. The second is for historical reasons as BiH was part of Croatia prior to the arrival of Turks.


    The most negative expections says there are 450,000 Croats in BiH. Even your making fun of the etnich cleanings of Croats is gross.

    Even the current avaliable statistic are showing you are losing Mostar and Herzegovina. And the result is that Mostar is today Croatian than never before.

    Call me Catholic, I am not the one who has to proove everytime is mad artifical like in the case of Muslim/Bosniaks/Turks/Muslim Croat/Bogumils/Muslim Yugoslavs/what-ever-they-are-called-today.

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    Sure. :rolleyes:

    It's hard to have a normal conversation with a Croat propagandist, that's a given.
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    (Original post by Kolasinac138)
    Sure. :rolleyes:

    It's hard to have a normal conversation with a Croat propagandist, that's a given.
    Propaganda? Well, it is all facts. I am having a normal conversation unfortunately my english is not quite good so it may appear odd.
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    (Original post by zgb1)
    Propaganda? Well, it is all facts. I am having a normal conversation unfortunately my english is not quite good so it may appear odd.
    Nonsense, you're not talking facts rather you're talking propaganda that you have been taught in your "HRHB" schools.
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    (Original post by Kolasinac138)
    Nonsense, you're not talking facts rather you're talking propaganda that you have been taught in your "HRHB" schools.
    But say what exactly have I said incorrect :confused:
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    (Original post by zgb1)
    As said before Operation Lipanjske Zore pawns you as it clearly shows that HRHB defeated the JNA in Mostar, at the time there was no Armija BiH and Alija was neutral.

    There is no evidence that the Birdge was destroyed by the HVO, that even the Hague tribunal stateted and that the ABiH could also be the suspect. The only footage of the destroying the Bridge was filmed by a British agent with the presence of the Abih. So, just count how much is 2+2 and there is your answer.

    Even if that is true, still ABiH has Mujaheedin forces that killed ordinary people and destroyed Churches. There is even a footage on youtube where they were beheading a soldeir.


    Kiseljak had the HVO all the time. Jajce was liberated by the HV as well the two mentioned places. All three have the same or less Croats than Livno has Muslims (10%)


    1. Bosnia and Herzegovina is not a souvereign state. For instance it has a high commisionar that makes laws (usually according to the Bosniaks; and even that is changing slowly as the foreginers are getting more in touch with the situation there and that the Bosniaks are currently the destabilising factor). Two memebers of the Constitutional court are judge from the European Court for human rights.

    2. Herzegovina is region different from Bosnia which is another region.

    3. Croats have constitutivity in BiH according to the BiH constitution, so therefore it is Croatian land. The second is for historical reasons as BiH was part of Croatia prior to the arrival of Turks.


    The most negative expections says there are 450,000 Croats in BiH. Even your making fun of the etnich cleanings of Croats is gross.

    Even the current avaliable statistic are showing you are losing Mostar and Herzegovina. And the result is that Mostar is today Croatian than never before.


    Call me Catholic, I am not the one who has to proove everytime is mad artifical like in the case of Muslim/Bosniaks/Turks/Muslim Croat/Bogumils/Muslim Yugoslavs/what-ever-they-are-called-today.

    Also, quite ironically that this is all coming from the London diaspora who is living on the refuge welfare since 1996.
    Bolded is what you have said that is false/Croat ultra-nationalist propaganda.

    Give me neutral sources that confirm all of this.
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    (Original post by Kolasinac138)
    Bolded is what you have said that is false/Croat ultra-nationalist propaganda.

    Give me neutral sources that confirm all of this.
    Okay, let us post one-by-one

    1. Operation Lipanjske zore. I already posted you, but here you have from english wikipedia. It says:
    The attack resulted in an HV/HVO victory and the capture of approximately 1,800 square kilometres (690 square miles) of territory in and around Mostar andStolac.
    As said before this operation saved Mostar as well many Bosniak lifes. Note there is no ABiH anywehere
    2. http://www.vecernji.hr/svijet/nije-d...-mostaru-79259
    Judge Jean Claude-Antonetti, the main judge in the case Praljak and co. stated that there is no evidence that the HVO destroyed the Bridge.
    3. It has graphic content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddt-vvOIlVc
    For chu
    4. I explained to you why BiH is not a souveregin country
    5. The latest attempt were the protest in March that was organised to destabilize the BiH as a state. The protestors did not organised becuase of social motives. Look what Bosnian wiki says under controversies http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest...(februar_2014)
    There is a lot evidence that the protest were organised by Radončić. The group UDAR (also the group that all this started) said on their FB page their goal was having a unitarni Bosnia.
    6. Bosnia was part of Croatia in the 10th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom...%E2%80%931102)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...nian_Highlands
    Also, in note this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavao_%C5%A0ubi%C4%87 He owned most part of Bosnia as a feudal lord.
    7. According to sarajevo based Dnevni Avaz there are 553,000 Croats in BiH. http://www.avaz.ba/vijesti/teme/u-bi...6-posto-hrvata
    Though I would be honest and say that I dobut in the number as it is probably lower but not lower than 450,000.
    8. Mostar had in 1991. a slighty Muslim majority. The preliminary result of the 2013 census shows that Croats have a majority
    http://www.hercegovina.info/vijesti/...cina-u-mostaru (biased infor)
    http://www.hrsvijet.net/index.php?op...sti&Itemid=100 (unibiased source)
    Both says the same only in the first it is said clearly while the other is avoiding it to say it openly
    9. Muslim in Bosnia have a problem with how they were be called as not many have accept the term Bosniak.

    After the dissolution of Yugoslavia in the early 1990s, the majority of these people, around two million, mostly located inBosnia and Herzegovina and the region of Sandžak, declare as ethnic Bosniaks (Bošnjaci, sing. Bošnjak). On the other hand, some still use the old name Muslimani (Muslims), especially outside Bosnia and Herzegovina.
    The election law of Bosnia and Herzegovina as well as the Constitution of Bosnia and Herzegovina, recognizes the results from 1991 population census as results referring to Bosniaks
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_(nationality)

    Also note this that during the 2013 census the Bosniak launched a massive media marketing on Youtube to say to the Muslims to referer to themself as Bosniak
    10. You location is London as your profile says.

    There you have it all.
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    (Original post by zgb1)
    Okay, let us post one-by-one

    1. Operation Lipanjske zore. I already posted you, but here you have from english wikipedia. It says:

    As said before this operation saved Mostar as well many Bosniak lifes. Note there is no ABiH anywehere
    2. http://www.vecernji.hr/svijet/nije-d...-mostaru-79259
    Judge Jean Claude-Antonetti, the main judge in the case Praljak and co. stated that there is no evidence that the HVO destroyed the Bridge.
    3. It has graphic content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddt-vvOIlVc
    For chu
    4. I explained to you why BiH is not a souveregin country
    5. The latest attempt were the protest in March that was organised to destabilize the BiH as a state. The protestors did not organised becuase of social motives. Look what Bosnian wiki says under controversies http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest...(februar_2014)
    There is a lot evidence that the protest were organised by Radončić. The group UDAR (also the group that all this started) said on their FB page their goal was having a unitarni Bosnia.
    6. Bosnia was part of Croatia in the 10th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom...%E2%80%931102)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...nian_Highlands
    Also, in note this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavao_%C5%A0ubi%C4%87 He owned most part of Bosnia as a feudal lord.
    7. According to sarajevo based Dnevni Avaz there are 553,000 Croats in BiH. http://www.avaz.ba/vijesti/teme/u-bi...6-posto-hrvata
    Though I would be honest and say that I dobut in the number as it is probably lower but not lower than 450,000.
    8. Mostar had in 1991. a slighty Muslim majority. The preliminary result of the 2013 census shows that Croats have a majority
    http://www.hercegovina.info/vijesti/...cina-u-mostaru (biased infor)
    http://www.hrsvijet.net/index.php?op...sti&Itemid=100 (unibiased source)
    Both says the same only in the first it is said clearly while the other is avoiding it to say it openly
    9. Muslim in Bosnia have a problem with how they were be called as not many have accept the term Bosniak.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_(nationality)

    Also note this that during the 2013 census the Bosniak launched a massive media marketing on Youtube to say to the Muslims to referer to themself as Bosniak
    10. You location is London as your profile says.

    There you have it all.
    vecernji.hr - what a surprise. Great source, sure.

    Croatia was also a part of Bosnia for hundreds of years. Proof:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ion-en.svg.png


    I live in London because England is a country that offers a multitude of opportunities more than Bosnia, which has no future at all for any of its inhabitants (as my relatives who live there tell me). Benefits? Pfft. Yeah, sure - you'd know that wouldn't you :rolleyes: If it interests you my parents work as software engineers.

    The 2013 census has no preliminary results ethnically which are official.


    Again, you are subject to pro-Croat propaganda so it doesn't surprise me. On top of this, there were only some 100 mujahideen in Bosnia during the war. You propagandists would lead us to believe it was in the thousands.
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    (Original post by Kolasinac138)
    vecernji.hr - what a surprise. Great source, sure.
    Vecernji is a centrist mainstream newspaper in Croatia. You cannot say it is not reliable.

    But even despite that it still stands the fact what the judge in Praljak's case ruled about the Bridge.

    Croatia was also a part of Bosnia for hundreds of years. Proof:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ion-en.svg.png
    Yes, than again we see the medieval Bosnian kingdom as a historical Croatian entity as Tvrtko I. originall came from Croatia and was a feudal lord of Croatian kingdom (which was in personal union with Hungary). You know there was a HVO brigade named after him.


    I live in London because England is a country that offers a multitude of opportunities more than Bosnia, which has no future at all for any of its inhabitants (as my relatives who live there tell me). Benefits? Pfft. Yeah, sure - you'd know that wouldn't you :rolleyes: If it interests you my parents work as software engineers.
    I would say it was more the decision of your parents. May I ask what school does it takes to be a software engineer in London?

    The 2013 census has no preliminary results ethnically which are official.
    True. How much are the chances that preliminary results shows a great differences with the official result (especially not to the difference of 150 000 people)?

    I hope you are not member of Jack's forum...


    Again, you are subject to pro-Croat propaganda so it doesn't surprise me. On top of this, there were only some 100 mujahideen in Bosnia during the war. You propagandists would lead us to believe it was in the thousands.
    I believed I heard it was about 2-3000, which never mind. I gave you the sources you wanted and even posted the youtube video.
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    (Original post by zgb1)
    Vecernji is a centrist mainstream newspaper in Croatia. You cannot say it is not reliable.


    But even despite that it still stands the fact what the judge in Praljak's case ruled about the Bridge.


    Yes, than again we see the medieval Bosnian kingdom as a historical Croatian entity as Tvrtko I. originall came from Croatia and was a feudal lord of Croatian kingdom (which was in personal union with Hungary). You know there was a HVO brigade named after him.



    I would say it was more the decision of your parents. May I ask what school does it takes to be a software engineer in London?


    True. How much are the chances that preliminary results shows a great differences with the official result (especially not to the difference of 150 000 people)?

    I hope you are not member of Jack's forum...



    I believed I heard it was about 2-3000, which never mind. I gave you the sources you wanted and even posted the youtube video.
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    3- Nope, Tvrtko was a Bosnian
    4- It takes a university degree in computer science which they both have, as for yours - are they konobari, possibly supermarket assistants?
    5- There are 450000 and ever growing less Croats in Bosnia-Herzegovina,so, yeah.
    6- Who is Jack?
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    Serbia, obviously.

    But one potential silver lining to the Balkan war is the fact that the Islamist/fundamental views that you have in the Arab world are pretty much non-existant in the Balkans.
    This may or may not be because of the war though.
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    which country was worse in your opinion. if you consider what israel has done over the last 20 years.
    South Africa.
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    Serbia, obviously.

    But one potential silver lining to the Balkan war is the fact that the Islamist/fundamental views that you have in the Arab world are pretty much non-existant in the Balkans.
    This may or may not be because of the war though.
    Fairly small numbers of Muslims surrounded by relatively peaceful secular countries. In addition one of the good things about EU expansion is that it tries to make countries western and feel European.

    A lot harder in the middle east where you have nutters on either side.
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    Fairly small numbers of Muslims surrounded by relatively peaceful secular countries. In addition one of the good things about EU expansion is that it tries to make countries western and feel European.

    A lot harder in the middle east where you have nutters on either side.
    True.
    But I think secularity in general is key, since most of the Stans (excluding Pakistan & Afganistan) seem to be fairly peaceful, despite being predominantly Muslim.
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    (Original post by Kolasinac138)
    *ignoring the spamming and coming to the relevant part*

    4- It takes a university degree in computer science which they both have, as for yours - are they konobari, possibly supermarket assistants?
    5- There are 450000 and ever growing less Croats in Bosnia-Herzegovina,so, yeah.
    6- Who is Jack?
    4. My dad is retired, though my dad used to earn as a lawyer (is that so called u in enghlish?), my mom runs a small bussiness. At least z
    5. Generally all people are losing population (even Bosniaks) but it is true that strenghs their ration. Also I already told you that you are losing Mostar and Herzegovina
    6. Jack is a notable internet person among the Bosniak internet community. He runs a forum that supposedly prooves that Bosniaks are taking BiH (despite not living in BiH). I though you were visting his forum as you have the same view that is spread there.
 
 
 
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