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    (Original post by Mattvr)
    If I may, I'd like to look at a point, quite possibly overlooked.
    If this was implemented, this WILL NOT physically stop parents having children; if the parents then can't fund the children and their living conditions deteriorate to such an appalling state of squalor, *Social Services WILL be involved, then the case will be looked at and examined, if necessary, the case will be heard in court, and/or the children will be taken into the control of the State, then will remain in the care of the State for some time.
    This will cost a HUGE amount of money to services! Funnily enough, I was shadowing a County Councillor Monday and yesterday (he's also cabinet member for children and young people) and was saying that a child can cost the State as much as £4M through to their 18th Birthday. £4M for a single child. This is, of course, in the most extreme circumstances, but this can happen.
    This Bill (and nor can any credible Government) does not stop people having children. People WILL have children, regardless if they have money. The problem comes when we cancel the smaller spending, and realise that the consequence will be a much greater expenditure than would be to keep the status quo.

    Point made.
    The parents already get 8k each to bring up children, why do they need an additional 8k per child?

    A 2 child family is 36k, 3 child 44k, a 4 child family is 52k per annum! Having a child is practically a license to print money in TSR land.

    All this will do is cap it at 16k per year.
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    (Original post by Cryptographic)
    The parents already get 8k each to bring up children, why do they need an additional 8k per child?

    A 2 child family is 36k, 3 child 44k, a 4 child family is 52k per annum! Having a child is practically a license to print money in TSR land.

    All this will do is cap it at 16k per year.
    Blimey, right, ok, that is rather a large sum of money! That needs to be lowered for the number of successive children, I believe as has been suggested before.
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    (Original post by Mattvr)
    Blimey, right, ok, that is rather a large sum of money! That needs to be lowered for the number of successive children, I believe as has been suggested before.
    Check the government forum.
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    (Original post by O133)
    Check the government forum.
    I don't quite understand what I'm looking for, sorry.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Has the NHS been warned about the rise in birth rates in July and August? Is the NI difference so that everyone is too exhausted with newborns disturbing sleep to bother to parade on July 12th and other parade dates?
    Well, now that the Protestants have stolen our land, the best way to survive is to have lots of children, send them to France to be educated and create a generation of revolutionaries.
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    You are a shame . Leave the country in your hands and UK would become US. With the same degree of poverty. DONT YOU GET IT PEOPLE. THE POOR DID NOT **** THINGS UP IN 2008. MEGA-BILLIONAIRES GAMBLED ALL OUR AWAY AND NOW THEY ARE RICHER THAN THEY WERE ACCORDING TO STATS.
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      UKIP forever lowering standards, even I support child benefit.
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      (Original post by PhysicsKid)
      Seriously?
      In TSRland the following is the Child Benefit+ UI for families:
      A 2 child family is 36k, 3 child 44k, a 4 child family is 52k per annum

      That is before income from jobs is taken account of.
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      (Original post by Cryptographic)
      In TSRland the following is the Child Benefit+ UI for families:
      A 2 child family is 36k, 3 child 44k, a 4 child family is 52k per annum

      That is before income from jobs is taken account of.
      It seemed that this aimed to remove the much less generous real life system. I can see your point, but if your objection is that reproduction equates to undue financial gain, why not campaign for a reduced rate for a second child and a reduced rate for all subsequent children?
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      (Original post by PhysicsKid)
      It seemed that this aimed to remove the much less generous real life system. I can see your point, but if your objection is that reproduction equates to undue financial gain, why not campaign for a reduced rate for a second child and a reduced rate for all subsequent children?
      I am if you read the comments on the first page. The intention (of this bill) is not in inline with what I agree with, but the effect of it is. Surely 20k a year is enough already?
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      (Original post by Cryptographic)
      I am if you read the comments on the first page. The intention (of this bill) is not in inline with what I agree with, but the effect of it is. Surely 20k a year is enough already?
      That would assume that I agreed with the proposition I made. I am in favour of a universal living allowance for all irrespective of income for all, replacing the £10k tax threshold, but redistributing net thousands to lower income families.
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