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With regards to society in general I think that both genders manifest entitlement however when it comes to sexual relationships it is most definitely women who feel entitled due to the mentioned princess mentality.
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I';m not the one tearing down the stay at home dad! It's women who don't find it attractive! Although, I would not like to be one my whole life…

lol alpha talk right there bolded
Im sure most women would love a man who does his fair share of work around the house. You need to get a grip.
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you sound Redpill bruh
You will have to clarify your basement dweller lingo with me.
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You will have to clarify your basement dweller lingo with me.
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Eh, well, I don't think you can campaign to change what someone is or is not attracted to. That just isn't how humans work. You might point to the whole 'my curves are beautiful' thing, but that never changed what men were attracted to, it only changed the self-worth of overweight women (whether thats a good/bad thing is another argument in itself).

Also, I feel the need to point out the difference between social acceptance and attraction. There is also a world of difference between not being attracted to something and developing a systematic, online hate campaign.
without being part of the online movement itself, you accept in this quote that there are certain base evolutionary drives that govern what hetero men and women are attracted to, that it is foolish and futile to alter through social engineering such as feminism for the purpose of total social equality that is just not applicable in practice. 'The patriarchy' is therefore not a social construct but the natural order according to evolutionary psychology, damning both men and women who fail to conform to gender roles and the laws of attraction equally. The most rational response is to embrace one's masculinity rather than fight nature for the sake of an undeveloped self-concept; self-concept and self-esteem being in essence the product of the modern liberal feel-good special snowflake nanny state in the West, phah
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(Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
without being part of the online movement itself, you accept in this quote that there are certain base evolutionary drives that govern what hetero men and women are attracted to
Yep, I agree with that.

that it is foolish and futile to alter through social engineering such as feminism for the purpose of total social equality that is just not applicable in practice. 'The patriarchy' is therefore not a social construct but the natural order according to evolutionary psychology
Do I think that young girls in the middle east should be able to go to school without being stoned to death? Yes

Do I think that women should be freely able to post images of their nipples on instagram (#freethenipple)? I couldn't give a flying **** either way.
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Yep, I agree with that.



Do I think that young girls in the middle east should be able to go to school without being stoned to death? Yes

Do I think that women should be freely able to post images of their nipples on instagram (#freethenipple)? I couldn't give a flying **** either way.
By feminism I mean trying to apply feminist logic from social laws such as education (as you mention a serious problem in the Middle East) to relationships, where sexual attraction is the foundation.
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By feminism I mean trying to apply feminist logic from social laws such as education (as you mention a serious problem in the Middle East) to relationships, where sexual attraction is the foundation.
How does this notion actually affect your day-to-day life? Give me some tangible examples that have happened to you.

I'm yet to be convinced that the notion of radical feminism genuinely exists beyond the fictional, online 'gender war'.
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(Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
OK, so either most men IRL hold no entitlement complex, or hide it well enough for you not to notice.

How about the women? Did you observe any of them? Noticed anything explicitly entitled? How about something more subtle, say in relationship dynamics or conflict?
I've not noticed anything explicitly entitled amongst women, either. Nor anything subtle. Amongst the people I know and have known, there really is no sense of entitlement to wealth, power and status. They're just regular people in regular relationships (well, perhaps with a bit of kink thrown in ), doing regular or creative jobs with a focus on a healthy work/life balance.

One of my friends recently got offered a promotion and turned it down, because he loves the job he's doing now. Another one of my friends left a promising career because he wanted to focus on his music. My female friends and I would much rather be with a man who has some time for us than a man with a high-flying career working 60+ hours a week. That's just a personal preference, not an entitlement.

Power and status are irrelevant, really. At least, to us. It's all about being happy in life, and for some that might be having lots of money and having a supermodel on your arm, whilst for others, like the people I hang out with, it's doing what you love, even if it doesn't make you wealthy, and being with who you love - people who love you for who are.
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How does this notion actually affect your day-to-day life? Give me some tangible examples that have happened to you.

I'm yet to be convinced that the notion of radical feminism genuinely exists beyond the fictional, online 'gender war'.
see my parents divorce
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not quite. Sob story ahead

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Mum had Dad do a full-time job and a weekend night shift at a bar, hand over the majority of his earnings to Mum 'for the kids' 'for the family', give him about £20 a week pocket money for comic books, kept her distance from him at parties and social gatherings due to his Dyspraxia being basically embarrassing to her (I also have Dyspraxia). Around Year 10 they started arguing. Year 11 while I did GCSEs Mum was 'out with friends' most evenings or buying lots of clothes and jewellery while Dad was this broken shell singing sad songs to himself by the computer.

One day Dad read Dad's diary where Mum stated she felt she needed to leave him and find someone she respected; a few entries later wrote about meeting a great guy through one of her friends. Dad flipped and became violent, started punching walls, breaking things, ran out of the house a few days before my GSCE Maths exam. Mum used this behaviour in her appeal to the divorce courts as to why he should not hold custody over us children; after promising Dad a 50/50 split beforehand she bartered for a 70/30 in her favour in court itself. Dad was kicked out of the house, moved back to his mum's and fell into a depression. I was the only kid who visited, my brother rightfully said '**** this **** I'm moving on in life' and went to live at Uni, my sister took Mum's side. Mum stayed out most nights when I was at AS Level, A2s I had my breakdown and she came back for that; this is when Dad's therapy kicked in and she recovered. I met the guy Mum was cheating with Dad on in my A2s; he became my stepdad at the end of fresher year.

Mum had a bad back leaving her unemployed for a few years and anxiety problems, I can forgive her for that. But God it's a sore spot until today. My sister still resents my dad and says to me when we discuss it that if he'd have got his way we would have been living in a much smaller house if not council housing or our nan's. Yet Dad now has to take 2 jobs to repay his mortgage, since for a few years he had to repay some of it to mum too.

So yes this is basically why Smash is a ****-up with women, AFAIK my dad was brutally whipped and I will be pissed if you or anyone calls him a ****** again, capiche? (srs)

see girls treated me like I was 10 years old when I was 18

see Riku's 'Superman' story, mine was fairly similar in that my ex met a hot guy friend and the rest as they say is history

see what I hear women saying about men you once thought they respected once you turn 18 and hit the bars with them; usually some variant of 'he's a beta'
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(Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
see my parents divorce


see girls treated me like I was 10 years old when I was 18

see Riku's 'Superman' story, mine was fairly similar in that my ex met a hot guy friend and the rest as they say is history

see what I hear women saying about men you once thought they respected once you turn 18 and hit the bars with them; usually some variant of 'he's a beta'
Oh, mate. Come on. I'm not even going to begin untangling that mess of neuroses and childhood pseudo-trauma. Call that a cop-out if you wish, but I'm not going to be your counsellor.

And citing anything posted by Riku as support is like hitting the self-destruct button. I'm out.
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(Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
see my parents divorce


see girls treated me like I was 10 years old when I was 18

see Riku's 'Superman' story, mine was fairly similar in that my ex met a hot guy friend and the rest as they say is history

see what I hear women saying about men you once thought they respected once you turn 18 and hit the bars with them; usually some variant of 'he's a beta'
See Rikus superman story? :lol:
Everyone knows who you are, they just dont say it out of...well I dont know.
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See Rikus superman story? :lol:
Everyone knows who you are, they just dont say it out of...well I dont know.
because the mods are deleting any reference to that account that's why! Stop wrecking it :mad:
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because the mods are deleting any reference to that account that's why! Stop wrecking it :mad:
Stop referring to your other account then :lol: its just funny.
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Oh, mate. Come on. I'm not even going to begin untangling that mess of neuroses and childhood pseudo-trauma. Call that a cop-out if you wish, but I'm not going to be your counsellor.

And citing anything posted by Riku as support is like hitting the self-destruct button. I'm out.
yes it's a cop-out. I gave you clear examples of different stages in my life showing examples of the problem. I could give examples of my friends' experiences too. Of course every 'every day life' experience will be subjective and anecdotal by default
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By venturing out to into the real world' you mean you went to tesco to buy a couple of cans of beans and, boldy decided to check out with the human til instead of the self-help machine ?
That's exactly what I meant. I'd never realized how liberating life could be up until that point. Supermarket cashiers are what I live for.

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No. Just no.. I'll move this to..society in a bit

Hey! :unimpressed:
Not you, you're relatively normal. I mean that with the utmost sincerity.

Plus I like you.
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Is this like when a guy asks out a woman and when she rejects he turns on her? Like "You're ugly anyway". I used to see that all the time at school. But never in gender reverse. Hmm.
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That's exactly what I meant. I'd never realized how liberating life could be up until that point. Supermarket cashiers are what I live for.



Not you, you're relatively normal. I mean that with the utmost sincerity.

Plus I like you.
Wooh for "relatively normal" :woo: Thanks!

Likewise
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Is this like when a guy asks out a woman and when she rejects he turns on her? Like "You're ugly anyway". I used to see that all the time at school. But never in gender reverse. Hmm.
that's NIce Guy complex

The entire thread is devil's advocate, I believe a vast number of young Western women have an entitlement complex as a result of third wave feminism. It is very difficult to argue against any wave of feminism without instantly looking like you don't believe women should have the vote or anything, which I absolutely support. But relationship dynamics these days are a nightmare to navigate.
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yes I know it was less you and more the other guy that I quoted haha

I know, never understood it myself
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I didnt mean any offence but a lot of females these days are irrational and are extremely unreasonable. Maybe its the way society has conditioned them to be idk.
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I've not noticed anything explicitly entitled amongst women, either. Nor anything subtle. Amongst the people I know and have known, there really is no sense of entitlement to wealth, power and status. They're just regular people in regular relationships (well, perhaps with a bit of kink thrown in ), doing regular or creative jobs with a focus on a healthy work/life balance.

One of my friends recently got offered a promotion and turned it down, because he loves the job he's doing now. Another one of my friends left a promising career because he wanted to focus on his music. My female friends and I would much rather be with a man who has some time for us than a man with a high-flying career working 60+ hours a week. That's just a personal preference, not an entitlement.

Power and status are irrelevant, really. At least, to us. It's all about being happy in life, and for some that might be having lots of money and having a supermodel on your arm, whilst for others, like the people I hang out with, it's doing what you love, even if it doesn't make you wealthy, and being with who you love - people who love you for who are.
perhaps I am surrounding myself in too much of a superficial virtual world.

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I didnt mean any offence but a lot of females these days are irrational and are extremely unreasonable. Maybe its the way society has conditioned them to be idk.
see princess syndrome
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