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    I have issues with a few Green policies and for those reasons I won't vote for them.

    But if they keep gaining support, at least they might pressure the main parties to address environmental issues and spark debate. UKIP have pushed things like immigration almost to the forefront of public debate (and the EU, but to a lesser extent), maybe the Greens will eventually have a similar effect for their issues?
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    Only because everyone and their mother who votes for them has become a member. Hardly represents the country at all.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I think you may want to do a little research on that one. Not having a foot print in an area, doesn't mean they won't operate in that area.
    In what sense do they 'operate' there when they contest no elections at any level? Theoretically they could choose to contest elections in NI, but then again so could the Scottish Green Party.

    Tell me. Who's the leader of the Green Party in England and wales?

    Who's the leader of the Green Party in Scotland?

    Who's the leader of the Green Party in Northern ireland?

    As we can see there's three heads of 'the Green Party.' Who would be the leader of the Green Party in the House of Commons if they got more than one MP voted in?
    Whoever they selected to be leader. Really not that difficult.

    Parties forming joint groupings, electoral lists and descriptions is hardly something that's never been done before - the Tories and UUP did it in 2010. The Greens would almost certainly do something similar were it ever necessary to do so (e.g. if we switched European elections so that MEPs were elected on a national rather than regional basis).
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    In what sense do they 'operate' there when they contest no elections at any level? Theoretically they could choose to contest elections in NI, but then again so could the Scottish Green Party.



    Whoever they selected to be leader. Really not that difficult.

    Parties forming joint groupings, electoral lists and descriptions is hardly something that's never been done before - the Tories and UUP did it in 2010. The Greens would almost certainly do something similar were it ever necessary to do so (e.g. if we switched European elections so that MEPs were elected on a national rather than regional basis).
    The greens are a regional party
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    Green membership is now past that of the lib dems. They got +2000 members pretty quick

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...eaders-debates

    Theyhave been polling above lib dems, got more MEPs than the lib dems in the euro elections (SKY just lumped Green in with other). Now they have more members. How OFCOM can say UKIP are a real party but Green are not is beyond me since the criteria they use to justify UKIP can apply to Green as well.
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    (Original post by RFowler)
    I have issues with a few Green policies and for those reasons I won't vote for them.

    But if they keep gaining support, at least they might pressure the main parties to address environmental issues and spark debate. UKIP have pushed things like immigration almost to the forefront of public debate (and the EU, but to a lesser extent), maybe the Greens will eventually have a similar effect for their issues?
    Well they are the biggest anti austerity and anti NHS privatization party so I'm going to vote for them. I'd vote labour if they started resembling something they are supposed to be. I got nothing against Millaband per say, I don't really understand what his position is, but there are so many awful people in the labour party who I still can't let the whole Irag thing slide. Plus they continued with privatization, the private hospital that has been failing was privatized by Labour :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Well they are the biggest anti austerity and anti NHS privatization party so I'm going to vote for them. I'd vote labour if they started resembling something they are supposed to be. I got nothing against Millaband per say, I don't really understand what his position is, but there are so many awful people in the labour party who I still can't let the whole Irag thing slide. Plus they continued with privatization, the private hospital that has been failing was privatized by Labour :rolleyes:
    I know. Labour's strategy is basically "we're like the tories [which people tend to associate with economic competence, whether rightly or wrongly], but we're nicer". They've got little beyond "not tory". Labour have allowed all sorts of Conservative policy to get through parliament that an "opposition" party really shouldn't let through, like certain welfare reforms. AAV had some good articles on it but I can't find them right now.

    I think if the Greens had got a bit more coverage over the last few years, they would be eating into the Labour vote just as much as UKIP are eating into the Conservative vote.
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    (Original post by Reluire)
    This only adds weight to the belief that the Greens should be allowed to take part in the televised debates if UKIP are. UKIP might be the zeitgeist of the moment, but you can't argue with the numbers. If the Greens are statistically a bigger party, it doesn't make sense to exclude them from televised debates whilst including an albeit marginally smaller party like UKIP.
    I didn't read the OFCOM decision, but I'd be surprised if party memberships were even a factor. Parties typically have a hundred times as many voters as members, and UKIP is out polling the Greens at a rate of two or three to one. Having even a 100% advantage in membership translates into pretty much nothing in terms of likelihood of winning the election.
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    (Original post by RFowler)
    I have issues with a few Green policies and for those reasons I won't vote for them.

    But if they keep gaining support, at least they might pressure the main parties to address environmental issues and spark debate. UKIP have pushed things like immigration almost to the forefront of public debate (and the EU, but to a lesser extent), maybe the Greens will eventually have a similar effect for their issues?
    Problem: UKIP's issue was meant to be the EU, but as you've identified what they've made into a big issue is immigration.

    The Greens' issue is meant to be environmentalism, but probably its new voters' interests are just general left-wing stuff: deficit spending, more NHS, more free stuff promised by nice people. What they want is the Lib Dems but called something else. This vote is probably vague environmentalist, as anti-immigration voters are vaguely anti-EU as well, but spend too much time talking about it and they'll lose interest.
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    Green Party above Lib dems in opinion poll, 11% to 9%. That is without the media giving a platform to stand on unlike the purple brigade.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...s-opinion-poll


    (Original post by Observatory)
    Problem: UKIP's issue was meant to be the EU, but as you've identified what they've made into a big issue is immigration.

    The Greens' issue is meant to be environmentalism, but probably its new voters' interests are just general left-wing stuff: deficit spending, more NHS, more free stuff promised by nice people. What they want is the Lib Dems but called something else. This vote is probably vague environmentalist, as anti-immigration voters are vaguely anti-EU as well, but spend too much time talking about it and they'll lose interest.
    Yep. That's me. An when you ask people questions on NHS, natural monopoly nationalization there are more people that are left wing. Not my fault the only real lefty movement that has any kind of following is the tree huggers, unless you live ins Scotland (SNP being a genuine center left party in many ways) or wales.
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    (Original post by RFowler)
    I know. Labour's strategy is basically "we're like the tories [which people tend to associate with economic competence, whether rightly or wrongly], but we're nicer". They've got little beyond "not tory". Labour have allowed all sorts of Conservative policy to get through parliament that an "opposition" party really shouldn't let through, like certain welfare reforms. AAV had some good articles on it but I can't find them right now.

    I think if the Greens had got a bit more coverage over the last few years, they would be eating into the Labour vote just as much as UKIP are eating into the Conservative vote.
    I don't agree with socialism in the first place, but Miliband is so far left he's nearly a communist... I don't want that incompetant fool running the country, he'd put us up **** creek.
    Miliband would put us into the Euro, spend, increase taxes on the rich and spend...

    Greens aren't logical, sure their views on the environment are good, but they certainly aren't a party that should run the country.
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    (Original post by Jared44)
    I don't agree with socialism in the first place, but Miliband is so far left he's nearly a communist... I don't want that incompetant fool running the country, he'd put us up **** creek.
    Miliband would put us into the Euro, spend, increase taxes on the rich and spend...
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    (Original post by Jared44)
    I don't agree with socialism in the first place, but Miliband is so far left he's nearly a communist... I don't want that incompetant fool running the country, he'd put us up **** creek.
    Miliband would put us into the Euro, spend, increase taxes on the rich and spend...

    Greens aren't logical, sure their views on the environment are good, but they certainly aren't a party that should run the country.
    Miliband is not "nearly a communist" at all. He's not even left wing, he is centre right. He may be left of the Conservatives, but then so is everyone apart from UKIP.

    The "Labour are left wing" argument is probably the single biggest myth in UK politics. They shifted from left wing to centre right when Blair became leader and have remained there ever since.
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    UKIP are still more popular than the Greens but it wont make a difference because people just want to LibLabCon about!!
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    (Original post by RFowler)
    Miliband is not "nearly a communist" at all. He's not even left wing, he is centre right. He may be left of the Conservatives, but then so is everyone apart from UKIP.

    The "Labour are left wing" argument is probably the single biggest myth in UK politics. They shifted from left wing to centre right when Blair became leader and have remained there ever since.
    I saw that the Sun called Miliband a socialist at the weekend. Funniest thing I've seen from that paper, the guy and his party deliberately aim to take the centre ground on every issue.


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