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    I can see the motives and positives behind the idea, but it would just lead to ostracization in my opinion. Just crack down on LGBT bullying harder rather than letting it happen willy nilly, and include LGBT issues and themes in sex education and PHSE (whatever you call it) in a way that presents it the way it should be presented- as a norm. Why is this so ****ing difficult? And also, what about having an LGBT educated and accepting counsellor in school for straight and LGBT kids? That would be nice,
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    Whatever the intent, the outcome is still no different than ostracism of albinos all over Africa and lepers in Nepal. Like, "no, that's the gay school."

    It'll be like the short bus and making fun of the special kids on it.

    You can't avoid bullying. This is life. Real life. And you definitely can't do it LGBT. They more than anyone else probably will NEED to learn skills to deal with adversity. Will they get their own work force as well? McDonald's just for LGBT and LGBT workers? But of course other people can come in, because that would be discrimination. But we know what it'll lead to.

    They'll be egged everyday for sure, even more. At least going to an open, public, general school they have probably less chance of getting bullied because they can hide, be in the closet, or get protection from any non-LGBT students right there on/around campus. Sticking everyone in one building is dumb--you'll know just where to find them.

    If I was LGBT I wouldn't go :closedeyes:.

    This is no different than saying, a school for straight kids--but you gays can come too.
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    I'm not sure where I stand.

    I mean there are single sex schools and religious schools aren't there.
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    No.

    Isn't the whole LGBT mantra about equality and integration? A school such as this would only further cement the inherent concept of LGBT individuals being 'different' from 'everyone else'.
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    I'm against specialist schools in general, be it gender/religion/LGBT/whatever. In the workplace these things don't matter.
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    (Original post by gagafacea1)
    I think I have to agree with you on this, plus they'll be much weaker and less prepared to handle the real world which is 95% homophobic.
    95% homophobic?? That figure seems way too high, and actually potentially does an injustice to the majority (in the UK at least) of straight people who are gay-friendly.

    In my experience, having come out 11 years ago, I've only encountered 1 person who was truly homophobic. I accept that this is unfortunately not the case in all countries, and even in some social environments in the UK homophobia could be more prevalent, but to call the world 95% homophobic strikes me as way too high.

    In response to the OP's scenario, I think an LGBT school is not the answer to combat bullying. Education from a young age to eradicate fear of the word gay among young people, and a zero tolerance policy on bullying of any kind is the way forward.

    Again, drawing on my own experiences, yes I was bullied for being gay when I was going through school, but this came from a lack of even a mention of the concept of homosexuality from the school, and in fact, I'm still in touch with most of those who bullied me when we were kids, and they are now much more tolerant and open minded.
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    (Original post by Das Auto)
    I've already give an opinion on this but some of the points after have been very good as well and only go to show this is a disaster waiting to happen.

    1. Trying to promote inclusion through segregation is as daft as trying to promote peace and respect through violence - you will not convince teenagers that those within the LGBT community are normal by segregating them and making them outcasts.

    2. We've already tried segregation in terms of special schools and these didn't work either.

    3. The legal issues are huge - if someone from an LGBT school applies for a job and is rejected will they then claim they've been discriminated against? Equally, they could be unfairly discriminated against and nobody would even know.

    4. Bullying will still happen outside of schools. If anything, concentrating homosexual pupils in large numbers just makes it easier.

    5. I see such schools as a target for homophobic religious fundamentalists (Islam and Christianity are both intolerant in this regard) - What is stopping an Anders Breivik type unleashing on the school knowing all/most pupils are LGBT?

    6. Everyone faces bullying - if you're not gay, you're fat. If you're not fat, you're ginger. If you're not ginger, you're a Muslim. If you're not Muslim, you're a Bible basher. If you're not a Bible basher, you're a geek. If you're not a geek, you're a hipster that tries too hard. If you're not a hipster that tries too hard, you're a goth. If you're not a goth, you're a freak....and it goes on and on and on. Children are mischievous, like to push boundaries and wind others up. This has always been the case.

    7. For years and years people have argued that the private/state system divide has led to class division. Arguably, it has and many agree that grammar schools go to close that gap somewhat.

    8. Legally, heterosexual children would have to be able to attend the school anyway otherwise its discrimination the other way just as heterosexual people are allowed to enter what are deemed 'gay bars' or 'gay clubs'.

    The money would be far better spent on employing support staff to deal with these issues within the schools that already exist.
    You say that pupils of all backgrounds experience bullying, but homophobic bullying is methodical and epidemic in British schools. If you're a geek, or a Muslim, then you might be bullied, but the chances are you won't be. However, the vast majority of LGBT people experienced horrific, unrelenting tormenting during secondary school. It's not a problem that's only as prevalent as other types of discrimination; it's ingrained in our education system.


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    Left handed schools would honestly make more sense than that (and they're a bit of a stupid idea), there are addressable needs that left handed students have that would be better suited by having a school equipped for their needs. The same isn't true of LGBT students, and all segregated schools will do is to essentially further ghettoise LGBT people.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    A school for LGBT pupils is planned for Manchester.

    "This is about saving lives,” said Amelia Lee, strategic director for LGBT Youth North West, the youth work charity behind the plans. “Despite the laws that claim to protect gay people from homophobic bullying, the truth is that in schools especially, bullying is still incredibly common and causes young people to feel isolated and alienated, which often leads to truanting and, in the worst-case scenarios, to suicide.”

    "The school will be specifically designed for LGBT young people who are struggling in mainstream schools, but will be open to other children, including young carers, young parents and those with mental health problems. “It will be LGBT-inclusive, but not exclusive,” said Lee."


    Is segregating pupils the right solution, or should we be focusing attention on eliminating homophobia from mainstream schools?
    This is an utterly ridiculous proposal. Not only is it costly for the tax payer to establish a new institution, by doing so the problem of discrimination will not be solved. Instead of discrimination within schools, they'll be discrimination between neighbouring schools.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    A school for LGBT pupils is planned for Manchester.

    "This is about saving lives,” said Amelia Lee, strategic director for LGBT Youth North West, the youth work charity behind the plans. “Despite the laws that claim to protect gay people from homophobic bullying, the truth is that in schools especially, bullying is still incredibly common and causes young people to feel isolated and alienated, which often leads to truanting and, in the worst-case scenarios, to suicide.”

    "The school will be specifically designed for LGBT young people who are struggling in mainstream schools, but will be open to other children, including young carers, young parents and those with mental health problems. “It will be LGBT-inclusive, but not exclusive,” said Lee."


    Is segregating pupils the right solution, or should we be focusing attention on eliminating homophobia from mainstream schools?
    I don't know any LGBT people who experiences any major taunting etc. any worse than any other teenage kid going through secondary school. I'm not saying it doesn't happen it's well publicized but is wrapping kids up to protect them from a very young age really the answer.
    We all know other kids in the area would identify this as some kind of 'outcast' school so that wouldn't do the kids any favours. Also one day they're going to leave the bubble of their school and go into the big wide world where people just aren't always nice.
    It's not right but perhaps educating other kids about these issues would be more effective than educating them separately like some sort of lepar. Kids need to learn coping mechanisms and techniques to deal with others when they aren't nice, you can't do that if you're wrapped away in a 'special' school.
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    There are bigger questions to be raised on practicality here. It's not like a persons sexuality is given and documented at birth. LGBT kids will become aware, and will come out at an immense variety of different stages. Whatever problem you're dealing with here is only going to be dealt with for out secondary school age kids really.
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    (Original post by AspiringMedic8)
    You say that pupils of all backgrounds experience bullying, but homophobic bullying is methodical and epidemic in British schools. If you're a geek, or a Muslim, then you might be bullied, but the chances are you won't be. However, the vast majority of LGBT people experienced horrific, unrelenting tormenting during secondary school. It's not a problem that's only as prevalent as other types of discrimination; it's ingrained in our education system.
    To suggest homophobic bullying is ingrained in the education system is wrong. It is not.
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    (Original post by AspiringMedic8)
    You say that pupils of all backgrounds experience bullying, but homophobic bullying is methodical and epidemic in British schools. If you're a geek, or a Muslim, then you might be bullied, but the chances are you won't be. However, the vast majority of LGBT people experienced horrific, unrelenting tormenting during secondary school. It's not a problem that's only as prevalent as other types of discrimination; it's ingrained in our education system.


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    (Original post by AspiringMedic8)
    You say that pupils of all backgrounds experience bullying, but homophobic bullying is methodical and epidemic in British schools. If you're a geek, or a Muslim, then you might be bullied, but the chances are you won't be. However, the vast majority of LGBT people experienced horrific, unrelenting tormenting during secondary school. It's not a problem that's only as prevalent as other types of discrimination; it's ingrained in our education system.


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    Most bullying is methodical, and epidemic doesn't really matter to the individual being bullied (although granted might matter when considering a solution). What's the evidence for the "vast majority of LGBT people" experiencing "horrific, unrelenting tormenting" at school? Anecdotally at my school I can't think of any gay students who were bullied.

    There are also questions to be asked about whether it's a sensible idea to make up a school entirely out of bullied kids. The solution is simple, take a much harder line on any and all bullying as it comes up, and to start using the force of the law on bullies whose actions happen to be criminal (e.g. assault, harassment etc.)

    The fundamental problem is that bullying is not taken seriously in schools, their anti-bullying policies aren't worth the paper they're written on, and a good reason for this is the fact that any punishments for bullying are just incredibly lax.
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    From the LGBT people I know they do not even suffer from bullying, definitely not more than the average secondary school teenager, but that might be because I don't live inner-city I guess things like that have an effect.

    To me, segregation like this plan is the last thing the LGBT community need. I'd rather focus on the bullying and preventing/tackling homophobic bullying rather than just moving all the possible victims of said bullying to a different isolated school.
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    (Original post by AspiringMedic8)
    Make a school for homophobes instead!
    Dangerous idea. That's like saying make a school for extreme right wing people or something.
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    This is not a good idea because segregating LGBT from the rest of society will not solve the problem of homophobia but in fact create more tension. In my opinion, LGBT only schools because completely different to single sex/religious schools. People will still face the issue of discrimination and bullying outside of school. Also there are many LGBT people at my sixth-form and others I know from secondary school and none of them got/get bullied. In fact they are quite popular.
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    Surely we can also have schools for non gays ?
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    (Original post by supertroopermark)
    Bullying is all part and parcel of going to school. If you look different you're gonna get bullyed, act different then you're gonna get bullied. It's a fact of life. It tougthens you up and makes you a stronger person when you find the guts to stand uptoyour bully, not run away and build another school.
    OR it results in depression, self harm, self loathing and potentially suicide. Particularly if it comes from a large group of children. So many LGBTQ kids end up killing themselves, and if taking them away from the straight socio-paths that torment them is the only way to ensure they thrive (I know from personal experience that Stonewall's videos in PSHE haven't made it less likely for gay boys to get a kicking at my school), then it makes sense to do so. We justify having girls schools and religious schools for far less dire situations.

    Also, it has been proven to raise attainment for LGBT children exponentially, if you go by the example set by a similar school in New York. And there's nothing stopping straight cisgender kids from going there if they so wish. When coupled with greater education about LGBT people in schools generally, it seems like a very good idea, despite my disappointment that it is necessary.
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    I'd hate to be the caretaker or swimming coach in this school
 
 
 
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