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    (Original post by n00)
    But giving a child alcohol, paracetamol, dietary supplements or even aspirin shouldn't be punished?
    Do you understand a principle known as "comparing like with like"?

    What mental damage are you claiminig paracetomol and aspirin do to children? Also, both medicines are the subject of many studies and have medical guidance supported by research onthe packaging (for example, saying that you provide X dose for an adult and X0.5 for child etc).

    No such research or guidance exists for marijuana, hence this is a case of parents choosing ideology and faith over science
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    (Original post by young_guns)
    Do you understand a principle known as "comparing like with like"?

    What mental damage are you claiminig paracetomol and aspirin do to children? Also, both medicines are the subject of many studies and have medical guidance supported by research onthe packaging (for example, saying that you provide X dose for an adult and X0.5 for child etc).

    No such research or guidance exists for marijuana, hence this is a case of parents choosing ideology and faith over science
    Aspirin causes Reye's syndrome in children. No such research or guidance exists for dietry supplements.
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    (Original post by n00)
    Aspirin causes Reye's syndrome in children. No such research or guidance exists for dietry supplements.
    I just looked it up and it seems that's correct about aspirin, but it's also the case that the guidance seems to be that yo shouldn't give aspirin to children.

    That kind of understanding is what you get when you have the benefit of medical research. No such research exists forgiving cannabis to children so you might as well beplaying Russian roulette with their health
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    (Original post by young_guns)
    I just looked it up and it seems that's correct about aspirin, but it's also the case that the guidance seems to be that yo shouldn't give aspirin to children.

    That kind of understanding is what you get when you have the benefit of medical research. No such research exists forgiving cannabis to children so you might as well beplaying Russian roulette with their health
    Much like dietary supplements. So..... should parents that give their child aspirin or dietary supplements be punished?
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    (Original post by Wade-)
    Clearly you ignored when I said that talk to frank also backs up almost all of those claims. It's funny that you don't believe a Scientology website but you're happy to side with someone who believes that the CIA are international drug smugglers and that tobacco companies pay politicians to keep cannabis illegal


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    I'm not sideing with anyone saying anything, and if talk to frank back them up then posthent a link...even though frank will still be biased of course
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    I'm not sideing with anyone saying anything, and if talk to frank back them up then posthent a link...even though frank will still be biased of course
    Why ask for a link to something that you're not going to accept anyway. If you read the paper by Professor Wayne Hall who is a drug advisor to WHO he sets out plenty of dangers such as; 1 in 6 teenagers who regularly smoke cannabis become addicted (destroying the idea that cannabis isn't addictive), it doubles your risk of developing psychotic disorders, it impairs intellectual development, it doubles your risk of a car crash.

    If you honestly believe the government have any reason to prohibit the use of marijuana other than the fact that it's harmful then I'd suggest you've smoked too much of it and it's impaired your intellectual development


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    (Original post by Wade-)
    Why ask for a link to something that you're not going to accept anyway. If you read the paper by Professor Wayne Hall who is a drug advisor to WHO he sets out plenty of dangers such as; 1 in 6 teenagers who regularly smoke cannabis become addicted (destroying the idea that cannabis isn't addictive), it doubles your risk of developing psychotic disorders, it impairs intellectual development, it doubles your risk of a car crash.

    If you honestly believe the government have any reason to prohibit the use of marijuana other than the fact that it's harmful then I'd suggest you've smoked too much of it and it's impaired your intellectual development


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    Actually I wouldn't just immediately reject it, don't assume to know me.
    I'd be interested to read the scientific papers, cohorts and peer reviews. This area of science actually very much interests me and is somewhat covered in my degree.

    Also I never said anything about the government. I have also never smoked cannabis or taken any other recreational drug other than caffeine and alcohol, so again do not assume I am some hippy stoner just because I did not take your "facts" at face value.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Actually I wouldn't just immediately reject it, don't assume to know me.
    I'd be interested to read the scientific papers, cohorts and peer reviews. This area of science actually very much interests me and is somewhat covered in my degree.

    Also I never said anything about the government. I have also never smoked cannabis or taken any other recreational drug other than caffeine and alcohol, so again do not assume I am some hippy stoner just because I did not take your "facts" at face value.
    I didn't assume that I know you at all. To dispute those facts is essentially the same as disputing whether or not cannabis is harmful


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    I didn't assume that I know you at all. To dispute those facts is essentially the same as disputing whether or not cannabis is harmful


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    It's funny you should call them facts since here you said in science there are very few facts....but of course the ones you want be facts are indeed facts?

    (Original post by Wade-)

    I care about facts but in science there are very little 'facts'. I also don't believe 'facts' made up by crack pot conspiracy theorists. The real people who are the problem are the kind of morons who believe things like 9/11 being set up by the government and the government ban drugs just because they're not very nice


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    I've still yet to be provided with the scientific studies which seem to prove your "facts"
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    It's funny you should call them facts since here you said in science there are very few facts....but of course the ones you want be facts are indeed facts?



    I've still yet to be provided with the scientific studies which seem to prove your "facts"
    Would you like me to rephrase? Instead of facts I'll call them the best pieces of information we currently have. Also it's somewhat different to say that a result of a study is fact as opposed to make a sweeping statement and calling it a fact.

    Well here's a link to a story that'll give you an overview of the report, feel free to try and find the full article as you're so interested in the topic
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...udy-finds.html


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    (Original post by Wade-)
    Would you like me to rephrase? Instead of facts I'll call them the best pieces of information we currently have. Also it's somewhat different to say that a result of a study is fact as opposed to make a sweeping statement and calling it a fact.

    Well here's a link to a story that'll give you an overview of the report, feel free to try and find the full article as you're so interested in the topic
    www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11145094/Cannabis-can-be-highly-addictive-major-study-finds.html


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    Reading through that, it does not confirm any CAUSAL links, only casual links have been found, with no evidence to prove the correlations to be caused by the cannabis.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Reading through that, it does not confirm any CAUSAL links, only casual links have been found, with no evidence to prove the correlations to be caused by the cannabis.
    Well the same can be said of smoking tobacco and cancer


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    (Original post by Wade-)
    Well the same can be said of smoking tobacco and cancer


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    ...I can tell you have not been taught how to read scientific papers just from that sentence.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    ...I can tell you have not been taught how to read scientific papers just from that sentence.
    Seeing as I don't study a science no I haven't but I'm aware of why people say smoking causes cancer


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    (Original post by young_guns)
    Do you understand a principle known as "comparing like with like"?

    What mental damage are you claiminig paracetomol and aspirin do to children? Also, both medicines are the subject of many studies and have medical guidance supported by research onthe packaging (for example, saying that you provide X dose for an adult and X0.5 for child etc).

    No such research or guidance exists for marijuana, hence this is a case of parents choosing ideology and faith over science

    Between 2000-2008 up to 155 people a year died from paracetamol overdoses in the UK alone according to some figures.
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    Seeing as I don't study a science no I haven't but I'm aware of why people say smoking causes cancer


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    Because causal links have been found, a causal link is very different from a casual link. If you're going to come on here and profess all these "facts" at least learn them first. Otherwise you're just passing on misinformation which causes ignorance for anyone who listens but doesn't go to look up if these "facts" are indeed what they seem.

    A certain link to autism and vaccines comes to mind with this kind of ignorance. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Because causal links have been found, a causal link is very different from a casual link. If you're going to come on here and profess all these "facts" at least learn them first. Otherwise you're just passing on misinformation which causes ignorance for anyone who listens but doesn't go to look up if these "facts" are indeed what they seem.

    A certain link to autism and vaccines comes to mind with this kind of ignorance. :rolleyes:
    Sorry you're obviously more of an expert than a professor who advises the world health organisation, how silly of me not to realise


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    (Original post by Wade-)
    Sorry you're obviously more of an expert than a professor who advises the world health organisation, how silly of me not to realise


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    And once again you clearly have not understood what has been said to you.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    A certain link to autism and vaccines comes to mind with this kind of ignorance. :rolleyes:
    That's an astonishingly ignorant comment. The "link" between autism and vaccines has been comprehensively debunked, whereas we are seeing more research all the time underlining the links between cannabis and mental illness.

    Drug abuse specialists are also becoming increasingly knowledgeable about cannabis' addictive qualities. It obviously doesn't have the same addictive characteristics as, for example, opiates, but there's no question that it can be addictive.

    There's also no question that smoking cannabis is injurious to the respiratory system, and in fact has much more tar than tobacco.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    And once again you clearly have not understood what has been said to you.
    Actually, he seems to have been quite clear and you've simply jumped around and engaged in sophistry and ad hominem attacks for god know's what reason.
 
 
 
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