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    Don't care who wins as long as it's not the Tories
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    I was reading their manifesto thinking it wasn't too bad, but then I saw they want to crack down on tax evasion, yet want more equality for the traveller community, who don't pay tax despite living in this country. Hypocritical party.
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    utopian nonsense that would never even get passed in the house of commons
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    Interesting that the Telegraph is doing such a huge hatchet job on them. Have to wonder what the motive is here...
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    (Original post by redferry)
    You do realise this is false and actually the real result is growing inequality?

    Trickle down economics is a lie.

    Also you can't have infinite growth, it just isn't possible.
    Inequality doesn't mean people aren't getting richer.
    Yes of course the richer get richer but the poor do as well perhaps not as same amounts but everyone is richer in general.

    The poor today are much better off then they were 50 years ago.
    Sure it might not be enough yet but its getting there.

    It isn't infinite growth just more growth.
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    (Original post by The Financier)
    I could've sworn we've gone over this point so many times. To get rid of money is to get rid of a means of ensuring that you can value two different things more efficiently using a common medium. If we return to bartering as the means of exchange, you create huge potential for both confusion and exploitation to occur.
    Or we give people what they need to survive:zomg: what a radical idea.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Or we give people what they need to survive:zomg: what a radical idea.
    And how would getting rid of money help with achieving this?
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    (Original post by The Financier)
    And how would getting rid of money help with achieving this?
    We get rid of great and the idea that your monetary value determines your worth
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    (Original post by Aph)
    We get rid of great and the idea that your monetary value determines your worth
    LOOOOL.

    thus basically make every rich person = a poor person.

    every society needs rich, u are creating political suicide.


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    (Original post by missfats)
    I hope not.

    LAAAABOUR

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    (Original post by missfats)
    I can't bear to see the communists win, I'd rather have the socialists in.... at least they understand the importance of the economy whereas greens are just obsessed in the environment to the extent, that they lack on other policies which are WAY more important.
    You're either deluded or extremely misinformed if you think Labour is a socialist party. Their contemporary economic policy is far more Thatcher than Attlee, just to start with.
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    (Original post by Birkenhead)
    You're either deluded or extremely misinformed if you think Labour is a socialist party. Their contemporary economic policy is far more Thatcher than Attlee, just to start with.
    ... didn't you see the "communist" bit aswell. I was exaggerating to annoy Aph, my fellow friend.

    they are center lefties.

    anyway I ain't no labour voter.
    though I like some of their policies.

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    (Original post by Aph)
    We get rid of great and the idea that your monetary value determines your worth
    Great meaning greed I presume? We had the same conversation in the summer and I'm getting tired of repeating the same thing over and over. The existence of money itself does not prevent you from acting in a charitable manner. It is you as a person who decides to do whatever you want with the money you've been given. If you wish to change the social paradigm, it is not relevant to get rid of an amoral medium of exchange. Instead, it would be more beneficial to convince society of the benefits of acting different.
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    (Original post by missfats)
    LOOOOL.

    thus basically make every rich person = a poor person.

    every society needs rich, u are creating political suicide.


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    Why does society need the rich?
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    (Original post by The Financier)
    Great meaning greed I presume? We had the same conversation in the summer and I'm getting tired of repeating the same thing over and over. The existence of money itself does not prevent you from acting in a charitable manner. It is you as a person who decides to do whatever you want with the money you've been given. If you wish to change the social paradigm, it is not relevant to get rid of an amoral medium of exchange. Instead, it would be more beneficial to convince society of the benefits of acting different.
    Agreed but money is an unsustainable system which needs replacing anyway.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Agreed but money is an unsustainable system which needs replacing anyway.
    Look, whilst I respect you stick to your opinions (even if they are highly unorthodox) this is just turning into a self-repeating loop. You don't seem to understand that the problem isn't with it's existence but how some in society decide to use it. I have no problem with looking to change how society acts but that does not need to involve making something far more inefficient and unequal.
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    (Original post by The Financier)
    Look, whilst I respect you stick to your opinions (even if they are highly unorthodox) this is just turning into a self-repeating loop. You don't seem to understand that the problem isn't with it's existence but how some in society decide to use it. I have no problem with looking to change how society acts but that does not need to involve making something far more inefficient and unequal.
    Ok, although I would argue it'd make things more equal but ok.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Money is rather important. So is economic growth.

    Can you show me a country that has succeeded by having negative or neutral growth?
    This obsession with economic growth really has to stop. How can an economy grow forever?
    Obviously growth has been necessary in the past. This has been far greater though in countries with higher government intervention and public spending, such as the Scandinavian countries and Germany. Britain's highest economic growth was post ww2, when the top tax rate was 83%.

    Countries with negative or neutral growth? A great number of countries adopting neoliberal economic policies, not only seriously stunting growth, but causing endless financial crises since the 80s, which has left a great number of these countries with huge deficits.

    If you actually bother looking at the Greens manifesto, instead of some biased telegraph article, you'll find there actually offering policies such as greater public spending, which will improve growth in the economy rather than failed austerity policies. And yeah you'll respond to this with the Conservative line that "oooh look the economy is growing", yeah for who?

    You can label anyone caring about the environment as idealistic hipsters, but unfortunately the problem's not going to go away. Just explain to me how the current 'economic growth' happening in the UK has benefited the population in anyway?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    1) money isnt everything.
    2) no one society is better then another

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    you think north korea is as good of a society as britain?
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    (Original post by Lawrence1234)
    This obsession with economic growth really has to stop. How can an economy grow forever?
    Easily
    Obviously growth has been necessary in the past. This has been far greater though in countries with higher government intervention and public spending, such as the Scandinavian countries and Germany. Britain's highest economic growth was post ww2, when the top tax rate was 83%.
    Not sure it's really that comparable. Post war there were huge debts and massive spending required to rebuild, last I cheeked half of London hasn't been flattered over the last few years

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    (Original post by zippity.doodah)
    you think north korea is as good of a society as britain?
    I think if you asked a North Korean they would say it's better. The point is it is imposible to compare societies objectively because your current society will manipulate your thinking.
 
 
 
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