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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    I said it in this thread that I would vote UKIP over the others if I voted at all, which I don't because the system is flawed and a disgrace, just purely on the basis of the fact that they're willing to rock the boat and not squirm when it comes to sensitive issues. The thing is, I won't vote for anyone. I have made this point abundantly clear for long enough.
    There are other parties which will rock the boat, other parties that don’t have completely opposing ideologies to the one you claim to have.


    No, they were both democratic-socialists. I did not once state they were Eurosceptics. Keep up. Also, it must be noted that at the time these were alive, the UK was a sovereign nation anyway before the inception of the EU on a political level. Regardless, I believe they were right on social-democracy.

    As I said, it doesn't matter what party you're a member of. The fact is, you are a member. You bought into the deluded belief that a party within this system gives a damn about what you want. Any party that gets anywhere near power, as Russell Brand pointed out for all his quirky faults, has to toe the party line of appeasing the economic core that actually keeps this country alive.

    You clearly have never ever run a business of any kind if you do not know how this works.

    :facepalm2:
    Orwell was actually a European Federalist http://orwell.ru/library/articles/Eu.../english/e_teu

    As you describe yourself as a democratic socialist, where does the democratic bit come into your ideology? As you are seemingly rejecting the democratic process now.

    What does my lack of experience in running a business, or running businesses in general have to do with what we are discussing? :facepalm2:
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    There are other parties which will rock the boat, other parties that don’t have completely opposing ideologies to the one you claim to have.
    Name me another party of significance that are Eurosceptic? Labour? No. Cons? No. Green? No. Lib Dems? No. I'd vote for the Greens if they were Eurosceptic but they are not. That is up to them, not me although a Tory/UKIP coalition with us being withdrawn from the EU sets things up nicely for a strong Green push in 2020.



    Orwell was actually a European Federalist http://orwell.ru/library/articles/Eu.../english/e_teu
    Yes, he was and I know that. However, he did not live within the EU as it is and the EU now is not federalised. A federal EU might be a good thing but I'd like the line drawn. At the moment its like we have one foot in. We should either withdraw or fully commit. As it stands with all the other issues about, I support withdrawal. I am not opposed to a possible federal EU. I am however opposed to what the EU is now.

    As you describe yourself as a democratic socialist, where does the democratic bit come into your ideology? As you are seemingly rejecting the democratic process now.
    The process now is hardly democratic. You have to be moronic to think it is. If you honestly think it is then don't either bothering to respond to this post because I know fully well that it isn't.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    Name me another party of significance that are Eurosceptic? Labour? No. Cons? No. Green? No. Lib Dems? No. I'd vote for the Greens if they were Eurosceptic but they are not. That is up to them, not me although a Tory/UKIP coalition with us being withdrawn from the EU sets things up nicely for a strong Green push in 2020.



    Yes, he was and I know that. However, he did not live within the EU as it is and the EU now is not federalised. A federal EU might be a good thing but I'd like the line drawn. At the moment its like we have one foot in. We should either withdraw or fully commit. As it stands with all the other issues about, I support withdrawal. I am not opposed to a possible federal EU. I am however opposed to what the EU is now.


    The process now is hardly democratic. You have to be moronic to think it is. If you honestly think it is then don't either bothering to respond to this post because I know fully well that it isn't.
    The Greens would rock the boat just as much as UKIP and a tory UKIP coalition is also clearly not going to happen.

    It is somewhat democratic, but you also said before that you support a revolution, so you’re a UKIP voting, democratic yet revolutionary socialist. Some contradicting terms there.

    I have a feeling we’ve done this before, have you had another account on here? Welsh something? I remember having a a few debates with a UKIP voting, textbook right-winger who claimed to democratic socialist.
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    (Original post by 10001)
    I think UKIP is unfairly criticised of being racist when the party itself actually is not. Just because they address the sensitive topic of immigration, other parties jump on their backs to detract people from voting for UKIP. I think many people support UKIP's policies, however are scared to do so for fear of being branded a racist. It is fine to vote for UKIP; just because you have right-wing ideologies doesn't make you a racist.


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    I think the word racist has wore thin over the years but I know one form of hatred you can't water down: the hatred of disabled people. There is so much evidence on the web of UKIP xenophobic comments against disabled people.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    The Greens would rock the boat just as much as UKIP and a tory UKIP coalition is also clearly not going to happen.
    The Greens might do so but they're not Eurosceptic. I wont be voting for anyone. Get that into your simple mind.

    It is somewhat democratic, but you also said before that you support a revolution, so you’re a UKIP voting, democratic yet revolutionary socialist. Some contradicting terms there.
    Where to did I say I am voting UKIP? I SAID I AM NOT VOTING. You clearly need to learn to read.

    Yes, I am a Eurosceptic democratic socialist and proud. I won't be voting for anyone.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    I have a feeling we’ve done this before, have you had another account on here? Welsh something? I remember having a a few debates with a UKIP voting, textbook right-winger who claimed to democratic socialist.
    Welsh bluebird?

    I remember him being a little more eloquent... but also flew off the handle when cornered... hmmm.

    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    The process now is hardly democratic. You have to be moronic to think it is. If you honestly think it is then don't either bothering to respond to this post because I know fully well that it isn't.
    What process are you talking about?
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Welsh bluebird?

    I remember him being a little more eloquent... but also flew off the handle when cornered... hmmm.



    What process are you talking about?
    Yeah that's the one, I used to get under his skin so he was always shall we say less than eloquent with me :lol:
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    What process are you talking about?
    Do you have a clue about how business actually works?

    The current system is not democratic at all because whoever you vote in will do exactly the same thing. I'll quote in what I said to another poster just then as I am fed up repeating myself to people who cant comprehend the notion that I do not vote.


    • That would make sense if I were a Kipper. The sad thing for you is, I am not. I am wholesomely apathetic to every single party within the current system. Labour and UKIP will do the same thing in power and that is serve the economic elite.



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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    Do you have a clue about how business actually works?

    The current system is not democratic at all because whoever you vote in will do exactly the same thing. I'll quote in what I said to another poster just then as I am fed up repeating myself to people who cant comprehend the notion that I do not vote.
    Oh ok. Well, I guess you'll just have to put up with whatever government we end up with!
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Oh ok. Well, I guess you'll just have to put up with whatever government we end up with!
    Doesn't bother me. Same **** paint, different colour.
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    Anti-racists support immigration that not only makes Europeans a minority in their own homeland, but also destroys its population through intermixing. This is just the reality of immigration but one you're racist to talk about. Why do White people not matter? What about our rights? You know our right to an existence, a future? We're the victims here, we're the one's losing our homeland. So those college aged liberals shut up preaching about racism.
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    (Original post by PutinOurSaviour)
    Anti-racists support immigration that not only makes Europeans a minority in their own homeland, but also destroys its population through intermixing. This is just the reality of immigration but one you're racist to talk about. Why do White people not matter? What about our rights? You know our right to an existence, a future? We're the victims here, we're the one's losing our homeland. So those college aged liberals shut up preaching about racism.
    Saying "why do white people not matter?" is exactly the racist attitude that UKIP members have. White people are just part of the human race as much as Black people, Asian people etc. We are all humans, and we all have the same rights. White people shouldn't more rights than others, unless you are a white supremacist of course.

    Why is intermixing bad? Do you think that the white race has to be kept "pure" because it is better than all the others and so that it is not "polluted" by all the other races?
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    (Original post by 10001)
    I think UKIP is unfairly criticised of being racist when the party itself actually is not. Just because they address the sensitive topic of immigration, other parties jump on their backs to detract people from voting for UKIP. I think many people support UKIP's policies, however are scared to do so for fear of being branded a racist. It is fine to vote for UKIP; just because you have right-wing ideologies doesn't make you a racist.
    One of their policies is 'legalising discrimination in favour of young British workers' - I'm assuming this means that employers won't be sued for chucking out every single CV with 'Muhammad' on them.

    I'm a naturalised Brit with a very Eastern-European-sounding name. I do wonder, sometimes, where this policy would get me. The fact that I'm legally British is no matter; I've spoken to so many Kippers who believe that naturalised British citizens should have their passports taken away from them because 'they're not real Brits, innnit' that it's actually rather worrying.
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    (Original post by subject1)
    Do you think that the white race has to be kept "pure" because it is better than all the others and so that it is not "polluted" by all the other races?
    Apparently, yes.

    I once dated a Kipper. He got very flustered by talking about 'white genocide' and about how he would never let his daughters carry the children of non-white men. Apparently, it would 'ruin' his super-awesome white heritage. Plus he used the n-word like punctuation, called Asian men 'chinkies', and called people 'black' as an insult.

    I'm still somewhat scarred after the experience, but oh well, the more you know...
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    (Original post by PutinOurSaviour)
    Why do White people not matter? What about our rights? You know our right to an existence, a future? We're the victims here, we're the one's losing our homeland.
    Proof please.
    'Our rights'?

    Are there special white-people rights I'm not aware of?
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    (Original post by молодой гений)
    One of their policies is 'legalising discrimination in favour of young British workers' - I'm assuming this means that employers won't be sued for chucking out every single CV with 'Muhammad' on them.

    I'm a naturalised Brit with a very Eastern-European-sounding name. I do wonder, sometimes, where this policy would get me. The fact that I'm legally British is no matter; I've spoken to so many Kippers who believe that naturalised British citizens should have their passports taken away from them because 'they're not real Brits, innnit' that it's actually rather worrying.
    Well just ignore people who say that you aren't a real Brit etc.

    You have the same right as them to be in this country. You are just as British as them despite your background. People who are "real Brit" are just those who have immigrated to the UK before you.
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    (Original post by subject1)
    Well just ignore people who say that you aren't a real Brit etc.
    Sure, but when they're talking about legalising workplace discrimination against 'foreigners', you do have to worry.
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    They're not racist but they'll certainly attract racists (who have reached the conclusion that UKIP has more of a chance of winning seats in Parliament than the BNP).
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    (Original post by 10001)
    I think UKIP is unfairly criticised of being racist when the party itself actually is not. Just because they address the sensitive topic of immigration, other parties jump on their backs to detract people from voting for UKIP. I think many people support UKIP's policies, however are scared to do so for fear of being branded a racist. It is fine to vote for UKIP; just because you have right-wing ideologies doesn't make you a racist.


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    No I don't think UKIP is a racist party but I think this country has an obsession with racism.

    If I say it this way is it racist? If I saw it that way is it racist? If I wear it on my left side is it racist? If I wear it on my right side is it racist? Have people not yet realised that they need to get a life when it comes to this obsession with racism. It's all expectations and who really genuinely cares.




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    (Original post by 10001)
    I think UKIP is unfairly criticised of being racist when the party itself actually is not. Just because they address the sensitive topic of immigration, other parties jump on their backs to detract people from voting for UKIP. I think many people support UKIP's policies, however are scared to do so for fear of being branded a racist. It is fine to vote for UKIP; just because you have right-wing ideologies doesn't make you a racist.
    The party isn't racist - publicly that is. However, what goes on behind closed doors is a different matter, though. Although the party isn't racist, the membership is comprised of a lot of racists.

    The argument from there could go either way - for me, a party that knowingly attracts a great deal of support from racists, and seek to capitalise on that support (e.g Farage's proud to attract ex-BNP voters), is a racist organisation.

    The UKIP and EDL mirror one-another in this respect: I genuinely believe that Tommy Robinson is not a racist, but there's a broad consensus that the EDL is racist based on the views and actions of its membership. Let's also remember that Robinson left the EDL because he believed it had become infiltrated with racists and extremists - Alan Sked left UKIP for the exact same reason. Of course, the EDL is a more extreme and perverted organisation, though.

    (Original post by 10001)
    This is a big problem a lot of Britons have. You think he is racist because he is critical of immigration. If you are against immigration, it doesn't make you racist!
    Fears about immigration - particularly Eastern-European immigration - has replaced the traditional race-related fears that were widespread in the 1950s and 60s. It's become so rampant and hateful that, arguably, it amounts to a new form of racism.
 
 
 
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