Moderation statistics :)

The circumstances don't change whether you get access to meaningless data or not. Ergo it doesn't change anything. I'd even go as far as saying that this would have a detrimental effect on the mod team.

So what's the point? You're throwing your toys out the pram because you're not getting your own way again.

The moderators do work really hard and whilst these may be interesting to see, it seems like you are asking volunteers to do a lot of extra legwork for no real reason.

See the main posted (edited). It'd take minimal effort and claiming transparency and accountability are "no real reason" well when did TSR turn into the home of Russian propaganda?

It's not meaningless and as a manager, you know this. Stop repeating the same baseless comment when I've clearly stated the numerous advantages such as system has to offer.

If you went into your office and declared that none of your actions as manager need to be accountable or transparent, how long do you think it'd take before your ass was hauled in front of a tribunal?

Being in the line of business that I work in, my accountability and transparency points directly upwards. My team's customers need to not even know that we're there. You're trying to compare two things that are not analogous.

Being in the line of business that I work in, my accountability and transparency points directly upwards. My team's customers need to not even know that we're there. You're trying to compare two things that are not analogous.

One point I'd like to raise is I can't actually give examples of when this would have been specifically useful, because talking about moderated events is against the rules. That quite clearly shows how broken the system is - "Please leave us feedback on how to improve the site, but you can't give us examples because that's against the rules"

One point I'd like to raise is I can't actually give examples of when this would have been specifically useful, because talking about moderated events is against the rules. That quite clearly shows how broken the system is - "Please leave us feedback on how to improve the site, but you can't give us examples because that's against the rules"

It's more like 'Please give feedback on mod issues to the mod team'. If you want to give feedback with examples, nothing to stop you doing so in AAM.

But you're right, giving the feedback directly to the people who can do something with it is clearly such a flawed system. Much better to complain about it on the forums where it is unlikely to get noticed by anyone who can actually address your issues.

I'm a manager in a multi-million pound organisation And I dare not think about where you work if you are able to say with a straight face that accountability and transparency are not needed. I think that's the real difference here!

If I'm arguing to improve transparency, surely it's important to get community feedback making feedback to just the mod team a complete and utter waste of time?

I'm not talking about feedback directly related to the card So no need for the jumped up attitude, because currently you guys have no leg to stand on as your success rate is impossibly high showing that the system is completely skewed.

If you do not like the moderation or the level of transparency then leave the site ... As a dissatisfied customer I am sure that is your best option ... Given your current role I doubt if you are providing much revenue ... The adverts are not really aimed at you

I'm not sure there's any real benefit to it. Stats will be fairly meaningless without some kind of context, and there are too many variables involved it it for them to be as simple as 'oh, the modding is fine' or 'lol, look how awful the mods are', which is what you seem to be wanting.

I didn't say you were. But the issue of transparency is also something that would have to be addressed to the CT, if anything is to come of it.

I doubt the adverts are based on hits. But saying "leave" is just denial.

"Hey, we have a part of the site where you can suggest improvements! But if you make a suggestion and back it up with facts you can **** OFF"

Or how about the moderation team takes some constructive criticism and works to make the site better? Insane idea!

Or how about the moderation team takes some constructive criticism and works to make the site better? Insane idea!

Your opinion is that the site would work better

My opinion is that it would not

I get full feedback on any report I make and, on the couple of occasions that I have been issued warnings I have had a full discussion as to the reasons and, in one case a removal of the warning

That is the level of accountability I need ... Why would any other feedback be of use ... Apart from some general "accountability is good" chat you have given no reason why your suggestion would improve this site

But how does it make it better?

Yes, transparency is fine but then what? What does it actually do?

I've been here a while and I'm struggling to see what it would actually create, other than more abuse to hurl at the mods.

Just pure statistics, like you're advocating, wouldn't show anything. Analogy: one week, 20 yellow cards are given out in Premier league matches. The next week, 13 are given out. Does that change inherently show something has changed with the referees? I don't think so. Nor would most people. So why do you think it would?

I'm not having a dig, I'm genuinely asking. What do you think those stats are going to show?

Please explain how on earth that is possible. Free to give examples, but I can't because if I say "I was warned for X, this would be beneficial for other users to see" *bam* blue card.

To summarise there have been two incidents in which I was moderated yet there was nothing in the rules against what I said, and it came down heavily on moderator subjectivity. Incidents like that need to be minimised, and one way to do that would be to have a monthly summary on cards issued and reasons why. Plus by showing the hilariously impossible success rate of cards, this would highlight how when challenged, the moderators need to be more open minded.

CT needs to read this thread. The fact that the moderation is arguing against transparency and accountability is nothing short of laughable.