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    Ed Milliband
    What they did to Britain "13 years of Labour government"
    They are ONE Big Magnet
    Calais and immigration issues etc are done my New Labour.
    It was predictable they where going to loose, new before hand that the Tories will walk it.
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    So glad that Ed. Balls will not be a contender for the leadership. I wonder if Diane Abbott will throw her hat into the ring?
    I can understand why you would be... think of all the campaign slogans they could use if Ed Balls were in charge - "Britain needs Balls", "Vote Labour if you like Balls", "The Tories have no Balls", etc. It would certainly win my vote. :P
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)

    I'm not attacking the SNP but I think the fear of a Labour government working with the SNP moved voters away from labour in England. Unfortunately.

    You are correct in that a SNP MP is still an anti Tory MP and SNP took seats from lib dems so from that perspective it didn't harm labour. Probably helped them. The thing is the english, epseically in the south and countryside, are not as susceptible to openly center left policies.
    No hard feelings.

    It a shame, Middle and Sourthern England aren't a bit more left-ward leaning. Barring Brighton Pavilion.
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    I don't think Labour lost because they were too far to the left. In fact, in some places such as Scotland, the SNP were able to exploit areas where Labour had more Tory ideals, such as Austerity (but to a lesser extent). This allowed the SNP to be seen as the socialist party that could bring about real change in Scotland.

    Labour did little to dispel the Conservative claims that they were economically incompetent. They also failed to highlight areas where the Conservatives didn't do as well. I think this allowed the Conservatives to hold on to Tory / Labour marginals in England.

    I don't think Tony Blair won because of New Labour. He won because he was able to inspire confidence in the electorate. Something Ed failed to do.
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    You don't lose elections in the last week or even during the campaign. Elections are lost over years.

    The first mistake was taking so long elect a leader. Milliband's first PMQ's wasn't until mid October. 5 months after the election.

    Despite the coalition having a terrible record on the economy Labour couldn't get a message across how bad they done and also defend there own record too.

    I also don't they think they had clear message, They where attacking the rich, Nom doms, mansion tax, banker bonus tax etc, but they where still intent on austerity.

    During in the referendum they should organise there own campaign instead of joining with the coalition. This also helped with scare of vote Labour get SNP etc. Appointing Jim Murphy was also a huge mistake.

    The right media attacks really didn't help him too. No PM has been elected without the backing of The Sun since 1974.

    Elections are won the economy and leadership and Ed failed to convince on both.
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    (Original post by TheCasual MK2)
    You don't lose elections in the last week or even during the campaign. Elections are lost over years.

    The first mistake was taking so long elect a leader. Milliband's first PMQ's wasn't until mid October. 5 months after the election.

    Despite the coalition having a terrible record on the economy Labour couldn't get a message across how bad they done and also defend there own record too.

    I also don't they think they had clear message, They where attacking the rich, Nom doms, mansion tax, banker bonus tax etc, but they where still intent on austerity.

    During in the referendum they should organise there own campaign instead of joining with the coalition. This also helped with scare of vote Labour get SNP etc. Appointing Jim Murphy was also a huge mistake.

    The right media attacks really didn't help him too. No PM has been elected without the backing of The Sun since 1974.

    Elections are won on the economy and leadership and Ed failed to convince on both.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. With the point on the economy, it really annoys me how Labour did not defend their economic record, and let the Tories continuously label them as the party of economic mismanagement and chaos, "Fix Labour's mess" etc and all that nonsense. This redditor comment sums it up

    http://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdo..._didnt/cque5f6
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    (Original post by Koolio)
    Reason's why it's Labour's fault:
    1) No clear direction. Ed said he wanted to end centre-left legacy of the Labour Party, yet Labour agreed to further austerity. Made true socialists very angry switching to Green.
    It was a difficult situation for them because they wanted to target constituencies that were borderline Conservative. If their policies did not support more austerity they would not have had a chance there because it would've made it pathetically easy for the Tories and right-wing media to portray Labour as fiscally irresponsible.
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    Absolute myth that Labour lost because of the press imo.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Absolute myth that Labour lost because of the press imo.
    Agreed, Labour have been losing their core vote for a decade now.
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    (Original post by Koolio)
    Labour lost due to:

    1) A fantastic, carefully calculated smear campaign by the Tories.
    2) An overwhelming majority of the newspapers pursuing a vitriolic campaign against the Labour Party. (Murdoch doing what he does best)
    3) Loss of working class votes as result of the scare tactics by the Tories and the media.

    Reason's why it's Labour's fault:
    1) No clear direction. Ed said he wanted to end centre-left legacy of the Labour Party, yet Labour agreed to further austerity. Made true socialists very angry switching to Green.
    2) They got a bit too brave against the wealthy elite. Mansion Tax, Non-dom rule being abolished, 50p tax rate.

    But I think the key reason Labour lost is that they did not defend their previous records in government enough. I have no doubt that a huge amount of working class people were duped into voting Conservative due the myth of "Labour wrecked the economy". A ridiculous amount of people believed Labour caused the global financial crisis, just look at that question time audience. Ed Miliband should have done his utmost best to get rid of the myth that Labour single handedly wrecked the economy.

    The furthest Ed Miliband went was "we gave the banks too much freedom". Should have elaborated more, praised Gordon Brown for the bailout like Paul Krugman did. He should have also challenged criticism of Labour's government spending (Which the Tories backed until 2008). Ed Miliband failed to challenge the delusion austerity. The electorate was conned into thinking thats the only way for economic prosperity. Tories tricked the electorate into thinking "balanced books = good economy". Nonsense. Economics is more than balanced books, and running a budget deficit for the welfare of the citizens is a normal thing to do. Tories are living in cuckoo land if they think they'll eliminate the budget deficit.
    because ppl of Great Britain did not trust Miliband.
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    (Original post by vis break)
    I think its because of the 56 seats lost to the SNP
    also, lots of defected lib dem supporters voted Torie
    PLussss, a rise in minor parties, like UKIP.
    The working class has got quite a few options that are not solely labour, so their vote waned out.
    didn't UKIP only get one seat?
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    (Original post by Farah_786)
    didn't UKIP only get one seat?
    They got one seat, but people who would have voted Labour voted UKIP. In some seats this made Labour lose out, as they couldn't win a majority.
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    Labour lost because they didn't understand that you don't win elections run on class warfare. You're not going to pick up that many votes of anybody outside the far left and students who have never had a full time time job. And that section is basically the Green Party anyway.

    You win elections by sweeping up the sensible middle and the floating voters.......not by ostracising anybody who's done well.

    Also, a lot of people on here didn't pick up on it, but when Miliband said in the debate that Labour didn't overspend, there was a lot of genuine anger in the studio (a BBC event in a Labour stronghold city no less) about that. Millions at home felt the same no doubt. Now I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong, but it shows how utterly out of touch he is with the electorate if he thought he could get away with saying that.

    Cameron must have been laughing his arse off at that. As well as the Moses-style pledges in stone thing. That was so bizarre wasn't it? I think that also switched off a lot of people on the fence.

    Then there's the Russell Brand thing.

    There's been a few things that Miliband has done or said in the final couple of weeks that made a lot of people wonder what planet he's living on and switched them off.

    You lot may underestimate the effect these apparently "little" things have on elections but you'd be wrong to.

    In America for example, looking like a wimp in the ceremonial first pitch at a baseball game (John Kerry) matters. It's just that Miliband's errors were much worse.
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    (Original post by The Socktor)
    I can understand why you would be... think of all the campaign slogans they could use if Ed Balls were in charge - "Britain needs Balls", "Vote Labour if you like Balls", "The Tories have no Balls", etc. It would certainly win my vote. :P
    We all know it would just have to be a massive printscreen of the tweet


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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Absolute myth that Labour lost because of the press imo.
    No way. The press pushed the idea that the SNP were something to be scared of and that Labour would form a coalition with them.

    The only time Labour have won in the last 50 years is when the press have been on side (Blair).

    The press are the one and pretty much only deciding factor of elections in this country.
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    (Original post by Koolio)
    Labour lost due to:

    1) A fantastic, carefully calculated smear campaign by the Tories.
    2) An overwhelming majority of the newspapers pursuing a vitriolic campaign against the Labour Party. (Murdoch doing what he does best)
    3) Loss of working class votes as result of the scare tactics by the Tories and the media.

    Reason's why it's Labour's fault:
    1) No clear direction. Ed said he wanted to end centre-left legacy of the Labour Party, yet Labour agreed to further austerity. Made true socialists very angry switching to Green.
    2) They got a bit too brave against the wealthy elite. Mansion Tax, Non-dom rule being abolished, 50p tax rate.

    But I think the key reason Labour lost is that they did not defend their previous records in government enough. I have no doubt that a huge amount of working class people were duped into voting Conservative due the myth of "Labour wrecked the economy". A ridiculous amount of people believed Labour caused the global financial crisis, just look at that question time audience. Ed Miliband should have done his utmost best to get rid of the myth that Labour single handedly wrecked the economy.

    The furthest Ed Miliband went was "we gave the banks too much freedom". Should have elaborated more, praised Gordon Brown for the bailout like Paul Krugman did. He should have also challenged criticism of Labour's government spending (Which the Tories backed until 2008). Ed Miliband failed to challenge the delusion austerity. The electorate was conned into thinking thats the only way for economic prosperity. Tories tricked the electorate into thinking "balanced books = good economy". Nonsense. Economics is more than balanced books, and running a budget deficit for the welfare of the citizens is a normal thing to do. Tories are living in cuckoo land if they think they'll eliminate the budget deficit.
    I agree wholeheartedly with this. So many people I've talked to who voted Conservatives said they actually agreed with Labour's policies but just couldn't trust them with the economy.
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    (Original post by Feels)
    Agreed, Labour have been losing their core vote for a decade now.
    Labour have been pissing away their core vote since the Thatcherite Blair and his obsession with occupying the middle ground.

    Miliband made attempts to pull away from that, but the party as a whole seemed petrified of being 'too left wing' and hence ended up with a confusing message drawn from right across the political spectrum.

    As far as I can see it, the Labour party has two options now:

    -Stick to the centre; I mean accepted wisdom is always correct? Isn't it? My suspicion is that would result I utter annihilation as they become more and more similar to the Torys.

    -Go Left. Obviously a risk, but there is open ground out that way with only dots here and there of a very splintered left wing. If they can unite the existing left and bring wider public opinion with them then they stand a chance. Obviously a massive risk, would need a strong leader and a committed party who can stand up to and answer back to criticism. That's not going to happen though so bye bye Labour.
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    we were given the wrong brother

    the trade unions knew Ed was a weak, timid man they could control
 
 
 

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