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    (Original post by Evening)
    Are you parents loaded then?
    Parents are on welfare.

    I simply saw a Labour party offering me nothing much better on tax, employment, foreign policy or housing... so why change.
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    (Original post by bobbyismyname)
    This is so true, I attend a grammar school where almost everyone voted conservative, it saddens and angers me to know that everyone around me is excessively wealthy and comfortable yet voted in the hope they'll get even wealthier, rather than vote for those living less fortunate lives and who need most of our help.

    The ability to empathise is fast disappearing in some, and this scares me.
    Labour shut down the state grammar schools thus denying an avenue for advancement in society for many working class kids.
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    (Original post by EeeekI'mGnaFail!)
    I thought that and then dismissed it as a silly thought lol.
    hmm but north koreans also think that they live in a democracy though :P
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    The reason why you don't hear much people celebrating the Tory win is because deep down, those voters know that they voted with less morality, than those who voted Labour.

    They voted for a party which has and continues to greatly reduce the quality of life for our vulnerable (especially our disabled, see the DPAC), the mentally ill, our elderly, and children born into humble circumstances.
    Because the Torys are never the party for the people, they don't care about the above because they aren't important.

    Tory voters also voted for a party which actively reduces the quality of healthcare it's people receives.

    So that is why Tory voters don't shout about it, because deep down they know it's more immoral. But they don't give a damn because they are thinking purely out of their own self interest- having to pay less ****ing taxes. Which is unlikely anyway.
    Looks like somebody here's a hardline Labour voter (or further left still) and will repeat anything anti-tory they're told to

    Something I saw somebody post on Facebook:
    "My dad told me about the 80s. Apparently under Thatcher there was no NHS and people just died in the streets. Also, everyone was very stupid then and they used to kick disabled people for fun."
    [In case you thought this was me supporting your point, it's sarcasm]
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    (Original post by crazyjustin1117)
    hmm but north koreans also think that they live in a democracy though :P
    It's a very real democracy.

    If they don't vote they executed.. the minor niggle being that only 1 candidate is on the ballot paper.
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    Ha. Yeah right. Judging by how loud mouthed the right wingers were pre-election, had they lost, the reactions from them would have been even more annoying than bitter left wingers right now.
    Ah, a hypothetical. The mark of an intelligent argument.
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    (Original post by Amhorangerdgerriug)
    Ah, a hypothetical. The mark of an intelligent argument.
    Because Tories only work in absolutes? Right? Right? Ha.
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    Voted conservative.
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    Because Tories only work in absolutes? Right? Right? Ha.
    There's clearly a difference between discussing reasonable possible scenarios (such as coalition negotiations, which everybody thought would be necessary) and baseless conjecture. Surely that isn't beyond you?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    We have had austerity at 1% of GDP since 2013, mainly achieved by pumping up the housing bubble (so it's not real money, but hey ho), which approximates the Labour plan in 2010. Austerity at 4% as from 2010-12 was too much and shrank the economy - we have still not recovered from those lost three years.

    Austerity is not always 100% bad, but it certainly should not be the cornerstone of economic policy or an article of dogma. We certainly didn't NEED austerity in 2010, we weren't Greece and could never be mainly because we have control of our own currency.

    As for borrowing, although Osborne's austerity damage resulted in the downgrade of our credit status, we till have lower borrowing costs than ever before, and we should certainly during the coming term be borrowing for investment, not imposing even more austerity.

    Thus, I supported Labour's austerity-lite economic plan at the election. -
    And Osborne seems to have followed Labour's plan from 2010 too.
    That's what happens when you have a plan designed by actual trained economists with 20 years' Treasury experience rather than a towel-folding aristocrat who's never had to keep to so much as a personal booze budget in his life.
    Yes, as I said, austerity won't continue to work forever. But we couldn't keep spending huge amounts of money when we had so little - now that we are stronger, investment works but we couldn't risk losing what little we had left before. The economy had to be built back up before investing, and austerity was the safest way to do that.
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    (Original post by It's_Ailie)
    Yes, as I said, austerity won't continue to work forever. But we couldn't keep spending huge amounts of money when we had so little - now that we are stronger, investment works but we couldn't risk losing what little we had left before. The economy had to be built back up before investing, and austerity was the safest way to do that.
    It was not the safest way: austerity, as I said, should never be the defining feature of an economic plan, because it is very risky and never really works. Austerity can be included in the economic plan but not at the centre and certainly not as a point of dogma.

    I make the party political point that both in 2010 and 2015 the Labour plan used austerity sparingly, and it was vindicated when Osborne turned away from Plan A to follow a programme more like the Labour plan (though, as I said, founded on sand with the housing bubble).

    The economy didn't need to be built back up before investing, you can do both at the same time quite happily, particularly with borrowing costs that have been falling for some decades and throughout the crash and austerity and recovery periods.

    Regrettably this was the time to elect a government committed to investment spending and we have failed to elect Labour. Instead we get more unnecessary Tory cuts as a point of dogma.
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    (Original post by Amhorangerdgerriug)
    There's clearly a difference between discussing reasonable possible scenarios (such as coalition negotiations, which everybody thought would be necessary) and baseless conjecture. Surely that isn't beyond you?
    Had Cameron presented a Queen's speech heading a minority government, the second Labour and the SNP voted it down the papers would have gone spare calling it a coup and the next five years claiming the Miliband government to be illegitimate. This is not a pie in the sky hypothetical but the expected political strategy in the run-up to the election - another thing "everyone thought would be necessary".

    Given the whinging the right have been doing even while in power about Labour and the left, I think we can safely assume they'd have been insufferable right now, both in the newspapers, in the comments and in their own party.
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    What ever pisses socialist off makes me happy .
    Your mediocrity won't be rewarded.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Looks like somebody here's a hardline Labour voter (or further left still) and will repeat anything anti-tory they're told to

    Something I saw somebody post on Facebook:
    "My dad told me about the 80s. Apparently under Thatcher there was no NHS and people just died in the streets. Also, everyone was very stupid then and they used to kick disabled people for fun."
    [In case you thought this was me supporting your point, it's sarcasm]
    So you think that Tories haven't made cuts to health care, mental health care, benefits for the disabled. And you think that none of their cuts have had an adverse impact on children from poorer backgrounds?

    So you actually think this is all **** and bull?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    You're a fine one to talk: what have the right-wing media spent the past five years doing to the left?

    I have seen a couple of relatively sophisticated arguments on Facebook about this and it has consisted in the left-wingers proving how baseless Tory economics are and the Tory calling them names (Soviets, etc), throwing a hissy fit and deleting the person.

    And frankly it hardly takes much argumentation to show that introducing fox hunting, cutting disability benefits again or repealing the human rights act are bad. It's obvious that they're bad and there really is nothing to say other than "Tory *****".
    - We had human rights before the Human Rights Act due to ECHR the difference is previously they did not provide an extensive defence for hate preachers and suspected terrorists. The rights of the citizens should prevail over Islamic preachers and parasites.

    - Fox hunting I don't see the argument for it to be honest it's an odd one.

    - They are using a more targeted welfare system to help those who genuinely need it instead of wasting it on spongers, i've known people who have abused it before, shame on them, especially at these desperate times.

    - The Tories cutting of state expenditure is sound economic policy which has been recognised for a very long time.
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    (Original post by iamintorture)
    How do we know it isn't a fix and we are actually not living in a democracy????
    Interestingly, my aunt and uncle only had 3 MP's to choose from - Labour, Conservative and UKIP, whereas we had 5 - Labour, Conservative, UKIP, Green and Liberal Democrats.

    Fishy, eh?

    (All of my family voted Labour, except for a few up north for TUSC, and one of my cousins who had a nice old gloat all over my facebook afterwards. Some bull about "lets vote labour and illegally invade countries and blow up some foreigners". ****.)
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    (Original post by XMaramena)
    Interestingly, my aunt and uncle only had 3 MP's to choose from - Labour, Conservative and UKIP, whereas we had 5 - Labour, Conservative, UKIP, Green and Liberal Democrats.

    Fishy, eh?
    Maybe they didn't stand in those areas?
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    (Original post by whorace)
    Maybe they didn't stand in those areas?
    We live in the same electoral constituency.
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    (Original post by XMaramena)
    We live in the same electoral constituency.
    Sounds like *******s. Does that include locals?
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    (Original post by whorace)
    Sounds like *******s. Does that include locals?
    Honestly I can't rremember - we had 4 different things to vote on. Main point was that we all live in the same General Election constituency with the same MP.

    Hard to remember details about the cards now - we had 4 different voting cards - a council tax referendum, a town council election because our town council is being overthrown at the moment, our general election, and something else....
 
 
 

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