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    (Original post by Aph)
    The third point is wrong, the constitution was amended but not updated.

    Also I agree that there should be no government, there isn't a stable combination that I can see happening other then a grand coalition.
    In other words, you think there should be no government because you don't like the alternative? Were you also at the post election protests in London because you didn't get the result you wanted?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    The third point is wrong, the constitution was amended but not updated.

    Also I agree that there should be no government, there isn't a stable combination that I can see happening other then a grand coalition.
    So why does that mean there should be no government, given that there is a stable combination according to you?


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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    As already discussed, it doesn't actually, that was amended a while back, it states that it will go to a 7 day coalition negotiation period and that the same coalition cannot come back, so I guess we could even, in theory, go back to Lib-Lab
    (Original post by Aph)
    The third point is wrong, the constitution was amended but not updated.
    I wasn't aware of that, but I take the third point back. Methinks the speaker should do his job and update the constitution.


    (Original post by Aph)

    Also I agree that there should be no government, there isn't a stable combination that I can see happening other then a grand coalition.
    Maybe there isn't. But real life parliaments have periods of instability and come out fine at the end of them. I don't see why we wouldn't.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    The third point is wrong, the constitution was amended but not updated.
    What's the difference? Someone being too lazy or careless to change a wiki page? Changes to the Constitution are made by passing a constitutional amendment. Once the poll is closed, the amendment comes into power.
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    (Original post by Burford99)
    So why does that mean there should be no government, given that there is a stable combination according to you?


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    Because that won't happen.

    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    In other words, you think there should be no government because you don't like the alternative? Were you also at the post election protests in London because you didn't get the result you wanted?
    The alternative is another failed government and 3 failed governments in one term is a bit much don't you think?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Because that won't happen.


    The alternative is another failed government and 3 failed governments in one term is a bit much don't you think?
    That's a rather bold statement to be making.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    What's the difference? Someone being too lazy or careless to change a wiki page? Changes to the Constitution are made by passing a constitutional amendment. Once the poll is closed, the amendment comes into power.
    I don't know what you mean? I'm not implying that it isn't in force just that it isn't as easy to find. I stated that the amendment was in effect
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    Well best we would see is con/kip which would be 19 seats certainly not stable.
    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    That's a rather bold statement to be making.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Well best we would see is con/kip which would be 19 seats certainly not stable.
    What exactly constitutes "best"?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I don't know what you mean? I'm not implying that it isn't in force just that it isn't as easy to find. I stated that the amendment was in effect
    In that case I take it back, sorry. I didn't notice that his statement was incorrect and interpreted your response differently.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    What exactly constitutes "best"?
    Most seats.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Most seats.
    There are lots of other options
    All parties
    All but one party
    All but two parties
    Con/Lab and two other parties
    Lab+any other party (bar Soc)
    Con+Green
    All have more than 19 seats
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Because that won't happen.


    The alternative is another failed government and 3 failed governments in one term is a bit much don't you think?
    How do you know a new government would fail? Just because something doesn't look like a stable combination doesn't necessarily mean it wouldn't be one.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There are lots of other options
    All parties
    All but one party
    All but two parties
    Con/Lab and two other parties
    Con+Lab
    All have more than 19 seats
    That could actually happen... Not just what is theoretically possible but what is actually likely
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    How do you know a new government would fail? Just because something doesn't look like a stable combination doesn't necessarily mean it wouldn't be one.
    Might I point you in the direction of the current government?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    That could actually happen... Not just what is theoretically possible but what is actually likely
    How likely they are is irrelevant since you're qualifying "best" as most seats, not most workable seats.
    That aside, why then the omission of Con-Lab, not likely, but then I somehow doubt that Con-Kip is, or any other pairing for that matter, let alone groupings.
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    Oh my, Aph's predictions are the last thing we were missing…
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Might I point you in the direction of the current government?
    Just because one government that looked unlikely ended up being a disaster doesn't mean that another government that looks unlikely at first sight wouldn't learn from what has happened over the last month, make an effort to be better and turn out to be surprisingly stable. Besides, a fair portion of this government's woes were caused by the behaviour of certain individuals more than anything else.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Oh my, Aph's predictions are the last thing we were missing…
    Could be worse, he could try to come up with some atrocious modeling to work out how likely each outcome is, and then use poor analysis to not even get the right figures out of the model.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    How likely they are is irrelevant since you're qualifying "best" as most seats, not most workable seats.
    That aside, why then the omission of Con-Lab, not likely, but then I somehow doubt that Con-Kip is, or any other pairing for that matter, let alone groupings.
    I'm counting the best as one with the most seats which is also realistic.

    Con/kip is the best under that criteria as no other coalition is both likely and will have enough seats
 
 
 
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