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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    Excellent points, but we also need to be rebutting the pro-EU arguments in advance, and reassuring people that we are pro-European but anti-EU, as the EU is destroying Europe and letting it be overrun by migrants. We oppose the EU project that was supposed to bring the European people closer together, but ended up creating a North/South divide with the Germans accusing the Greeks of being lazy, and the Greeks accusing the Germans of being Nazis. There is no point in creating a superstate with so much difference between its constituent members, as it would only end up like a Yugoslavian situation.
    Focussing on immigration is an easy way to alienate the left, who'll we need the support of if we're to get the result we want.

    I don't think that there's anything wrong with saying that we want to increase ties with other countries, but that's not done by locking yourself away from the outside world.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Focussing on immigration is an easy way to alienate the left, who'll we need the support of if we're to get the result we want.

    I don't think that there's anything wrong with saying that we want to increase ties with other countries, but that's not done by locking yourself away from the outside world.
    I agree that we need to tone down the immigration argument lest we alienate potential supporters, however, it is not an issue that I will completely ignore.

    Where did I say that I was going to lock myself out from the outside world?
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    I agree that we need to tone down the immigration argument lest we alienate potential supporters, however, it is not an issue that I will completely ignore.

    Where did I say that I was going to lock myself out from the outside world?
    If we are going to go in to the issue it would be better focusing on economic migrants from the EU. It would certainly help if certain members of UKIP (this is not neccesarily directed at you personally) and the tories would stop terming refugees as economic migrants (you're intitled to your opinion) for the time being as it is the kind of thing which will put off voters.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    I agree that we need to tone down the immigration argument lest we alienate potential supporters, however, it is not an issue that I will completely ignore.

    Where did I say that I was going to lock myself out from the outside world?
    If immigration is that much of an issue to you then sure, but I don't think that it would be wise to have it as a large part of our campaign as the risk of alienating those on the left is quite large, you only have to look at the poll on the right to see how left wing members are, 398 people voting for Corbyn (who also sympathises with our campaign).

    You didn't, I was merely stating that it's what happens as a member of the EU. You criticised the EU for wanting to bring countries closer together, I don't think that's a bad thing but we have to look beyond Europe.

    We are at a serious risk of splintering this campaign between right vs. left and it's because of this that I have put my hat in for the leadership to keep the campaign inclusive to those on all sides of the spectrum.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    If we are going to go in to the issue it would be better focusing on economic migrants from the EU. It would certainly help if certain members of UKIP (this is not neccesarily directed at you personally) and the tories would stop terming refugees as economic migrants (you're intitled to your opinion) for the time being as it is the kind of thing which will put off voters.
    Exactly my stance, we're going to have to rely on the left in order to get the result we want, and can't risk losing their support. On the flip side, we don't want to alienate the right either, as their support is also necessary. I think that the campaign should be focussed on the failures of the EU and it's assault on our parliamentary sovereignty in order to garner support from both sides of the spectrum.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    If we are going to go in to the issue it would be better focusing on economic migrants from the EU. It would certainly help if certain members of UKIP (this is not neccesarily directed at you personally) and the tories would stop terming refugees as economic migrants (you're intitled to your opinion) for the time being as it is the kind of thing which will put off voters.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
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    Calm it down please, we're on the same side after all.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
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    I dont mind you having your opinion, I'd just quite like to win the referendum.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    If immigration is that much of an issue to you then sure, but I don't think that it would be wise to have it as a large part of our campaign as the risk of alienating those on the left is quite large, you only have to look at the poll on the right to see how left wing members are, 398 people voting for Corbyn (who also sympathises with our campaign).

    You didn't, I was merely stating that it's what happens as a member of the EU. You criticised the EU for wanting to bring countries closer together, I don't think that's a bad thing but we have to look beyond Europe.

    We are at a serious risk of splintering this campaign between right vs. left and it's because of this that I have put my hat in for the leadership to keep the campaign inclusive to those on all sides of the spectrum.
    I did not criticise the EU for bringing countries closer together. I criticised them for having a flawed method that actually creates hostilities between European countries. I agree that we should build and maintain good relations with countries around the world, which is not easy if we have to rely on the EU to make free-trade deals, when we could make those deals ourselves. I also strongly disagree with freedom of movement within the EU. It is a system that discriminates against everyone else in the world and benefits EU citizens only.When addressing a wider audience, we should not be taking left/right positions. When speaking to individuals, we should be able to convince them according to their views, and this may mean using arguments such as overregulation and mass migration on the right, and arguing that the EU is pro-large corporations and detrimental to the environment, on the left.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    I did not criticise the EU for bringing countries closer together. I criticised them for having a flawed method that actually creates hostilities between European countries. I agree that we should build and maintain good relations with countries around the world, which is not easy if we have to rely on the EU to make free-trade deals, when we could make those deals ourselves. I also strongly disagree with freedom of movement within the EU. It is a system that discriminates against everyone else in the world and benefits EU citizens only.When addressing a wider audience, we should not be taking left/right positions. When speaking to individuals, we should be able to convince them according to their views, and this may mean using arguments such as overregulation and mass migration on the right, and arguing that the EU is pro-large corporations and detrimental to the environment, on the left.
    That's exactly what I'm advocating. The campaign itself taking a broad stance and then individual campaigners doing their own bit to bulk up our support. The reason I'm so weary is that the right and the left often have completely different and opposing views as to why we should leave the EU. For example, if the campaign was based on that we should leave the EU so we can close our borders up, we'd get some support, but lose a lot more. Similarly, if it were based on leaving the EU as it's a force for neoliberalism and hinders our goal for a socialist utopia, we'd get some support but lose a lot more. We have to have a balanced campaign but with key figures from the right and the left to just top it off.
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    I'd like to be involved, definitely! However, I'm not sure in what capacity i'd be useful.
    Please let me know, what's happening and how I can assist!
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    (Original post by United1892)
    If we are going to go in to the issue it would be better focusing on economic migrants from the EU. It would certainly help if certain members of UKIP (this is not neccesarily directed at you personally) and the tories would stop terming refugees as economic migrants (you're intitled to your opinion) for the time being as it is the kind of thing which will put off voters.
    Which is why when we are speaking as a whole, we do not use arguments that can be seen as left or right-wing. When talking to individuals, preferably, we choose people who on the fence, and are ideologically close to the campaigner, so we can use arguments that they like. I cannot go into too much detail about our strategies, because after all, this is a public thread.
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    (Original post by Jacques1st)
    I'd like to be involved, definitely! However, I'm not sure in what capacity i'd be useful.
    Please let me know, what's happening and how I can assist!
    Yes of course you'd be useful, just get out there campaigning (once we've structured our campaign of course).

    Also, you are a new member (joined on my birthday!) so I had a little snoop through your posts and think you may be a good fit for the TSR Tories or TSR Kippers, of course only if you're interested. Here's the link: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/pro...editusergroups

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    (Original post by Jacques1st)
    I'd like to be involved, definitely! However, I'm not sure in what capacity i'd be useful.
    Please let me know, what's happening and how I can assist!
    Welcome to the campaign to leave the European Union. At the moment, we are waiting for a subforum, but feel free to share your views here.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    Which is why when we are speaking as a whole, we do not use arguments that can be seen as left or right-wing. When talking to individuals, preferably, we choose people who on the fence, and are ideologically close to the campaigner, so we can use arguments that they like. I cannot go into too much detail about our strategies, because after all, this is a public thread.
    Yes, you are correct. Hopefully they hurry up and get tge subforum.
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    With my previous leadership of ukip I would like to throw my hat into the ring and stand for leaser/deputy; although with the high calibre of members already standing we will have great leadership for the referendum no matter who is voted in!

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    Hmm, may be a cake walk looking at the other thread. And I guess A0h doesn't like leadership anymore

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    Despite personal views I'll do the right thing as a UKIP MP and join this team.
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    I'd love to see a reformed Europe, something that's little more than just a free trade agreement with some level of freedom of movement thrown in, because I am pretty pro immigration.

    But unlike many, I know my wish for a streamlined union is nothing more than a ridiculous pipe dream. Even Cameron's plastic and very muted reforms will get laughed out of the door as unworkable. For as long as we're losing our law making powers to an out of touch unelected commission of ageing bureaucrats I am proud to say I will be a member of this campaign for us to leave the EU I'll rule myself out of any leadership positions though, I need to avoid diluting my efforts on the rest of the site!

    To put my SL hat on for a second. We discussed the prospect of giving each individual campaign their own subforum for this campaign in a recent meet up. Everyone was really keen about the whole referenda thing as we've been looking to do something EU related for a while, but to cut a long story short, we don't think the subfora idea is going to be workable unfortunately :no:
    It's not the creation of the subforums that's the problem, but rather the mechanism for giving people the right access to them. Since the campaigns aren't being done along party lines, we'd need two extra usergroups to manage the access permissions to the created subfora. But the creation of these contribute to global slowdown (ie: across the entire site) so we can't create them unless there's a really good excuse. Even the recent Crisis Committee is using a repurposed Libertarian usergroup with a repurposed Opposition subforum.
 
 
 
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