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    (Original post by Mr JB)
    Your complacency and arrogance is what will lead to you losing in 2020. Middle England is a lost cause for Labour.

    Labour need:

    London
    Scotland
    Wales
    Northern England
    Inner city Midlands
    Inner city South East

    Corbyn is Labour's best chance of regaining votes in these parts of the country. Labour are never going to win in the other places.
    Labour's support is concentrated around inner city areas that already vote Labour. You have to appeal to the centre ground in order to win seats. This isn't going to happen.

    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    What makes him an idiot?
    His ridiculous ideologies demonstrate his incompetence. Socialism doesn't work.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Yeah how awful would it be if a man who actually cared about people got in?

    Don't bother replying with your right wing smears
    Oh sod off. You can't censor me because I don't agree with you. I'm pointing out some real and difficult truths about the consequences of this result for your party, today and instead of engaging, you're simply shouting "look at this evil tory over here!" :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by StevePownall)
    Yes, I was around in the 1970s actually, I am a mature student!! And you are very, very wrong on 'people preferred those times' - rose-tinted spectacles. I remember 3 day weeks, rolling power cuts, unions holding the country to ransom. I am not a Tory by any stretch of the imagination but at the end of the day, there are poor and wealthy people, that will never change; what is needed is an effective opposition party (don't care which) that can hold the Tories to account - Labour Corbyn is not it. Enough said.
    You talk as if nothing bad happens today and its all dependent on where you were at the time. The vast majority of older people I've spoken with from Wales and Northern England preferred those days. Nobody is saying those days were perfect and we should go back to being exactly like that. We're saying they weren't all bad either and we should take those elements and build a progressive society around them today.
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    Yeah, I think stocks are going to crash. As we've seen with China, they were suffering their biggest drops just a few weeks ago, and they're the second largest economy.

    It'll have rippling effects, crossing into Germany with their trade links etc.

    I hope something happens so then the Tories can't use the same argument they always do, without shooting themselves in the foot.
    Wow. This is a sickening wish to have. The consequences of something like this would be profound on normal people's lives and all you care about is ideologically shouting "down with the tories". Using a hypothetical catastrophic scenario like this as a political football is shameful.

    Disgusting.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Labour's support is concentrated around inner city areas that already vote Labour. You have to appeal to the centre ground in order to win seats. This isn't going to happen.


    His ridiculous ideologies demonstrate his incompetence. Socialism doesn't work.



    Oh sod off. You can't censor me because I don't agree with you. I'm pointing out some real and difficult truths about the consequences of this result for your party, today and instead of engaging, you're simply shouting "look at this evil tory over here!" :rolleyes:
    Socialism doesn't work? Hahahahahahahjaha
    Oh give over.
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    No, you are assuming (again). Good and bad things have happened throughout the ages.. show me a single country in the World where Utopia exists. I am from the Midlands (Nottingham originally), ask me about the miners strikes in the 1980s. Again, unions holding country to ransom however, Thatcher took this as a cue to destroy the unions. You really do have to be careful what you wish for in life.
    (Original post by Mr JB)
    You talk as if nothing bad happens today and its all dependent on where you were at the time. The vast majority of older people I've spoken with from Wales and Northern England preferred those days. Nobody is saying those days were perfect and we should go back to being exactly like that. We're saying they weren't all bad either and we should take those elements and build a progressive society around them today.
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    (Original post by StevePownall)
    Yes, I was around in the 1970s actually, I am a mature student!! And you are very, very wrong on 'people preferred those times' - rose-tinted spectacles. I remember 3 day weeks, rolling power cuts, unions holding the country to ransom. I am not a Tory by any stretch of the imagination but at the end of the day, there are poor and wealthy people, that will never change; what is needed is an effective opposition party (don't care which) that can hold the Tories to account - Labour Corbyn is not it. Enough said.
    Yes, but if the Social Democrat Party were around now with the same kind of [political stance as in the 80s they would be a nutty left party.
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    Loads of teenagers who will be eligible to vote next general election will have a big impact as well, if they do decide to vote.

    The majority of teenagers are left wing and seem to dislike the current state of politics. Corbyn with his far left ideologies, may be able to get these people to vote for him, if he is different from the other candidates.

    However teenagers won't be anywhere near enough to win the GE, it's the working class Corbyn needs, but many just don't care at all about politics and likely never will.

    5 years is a long time so I'll try and hold off on making any big predictions, but I think its silly to give the election to the Tories so far ahead of the election. 5 years in politics is massive and anything could happen in that time.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Wow. This is a sickening wish to have. The consequences of something like this would be profound on normal people's lives and all you care about is ideologically shouting "down with the tories". Using a hypothetical catastrophic scenario like this as a political football is shameful.

    Disgusting.
    So then why is there such reluctance to learn something from the last financial crash? It's always the normal people who pay.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    His ridiculous ideologies demonstrate his incompetence. Socialism doesn't work.
    And you're highlighting your lack of understanding political ideology. Capitalism hasn't worked either because we now have corporatism where large corporates have monopolised what is supposed to be a free-market and this has led to a stranglehold on wealth. If we actually had free-market capitalism then I'd be happy to embrace it but we do not. What we have is akin to right wing communism, the only difference is rather than the government having a stranglehold on power and wealth, the corporate elites do.


    Great signs of capitalism working

    Roughly 1 in 4 children in the USA in poverty.
    Wealth inequality rising in many EU countries.
    Singapore has an extremely high poverty rate.

    And there are countless other examples.

    If you believe you are better off because there's more materialism in the world then sadly that is an indictment of yourself as a person.

    If you think capitalism actually works then by God, there's no point trying to convince you otherwise. You are exactly the type of sheep that Aldous Huxley predicted would fall in line and accept their servitude.
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    (Original post by De Chirico)
    You want a financial crash just to spite the Tories? I have heard it all now.
    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Wow. This is a sickening wish to have. The consequences of something like this would be profound on normal people's lives and all you care about is ideologically shouting "down with the tories". Using a hypothetical catastrophic scenario like this as a political football is shameful.

    Disgusting.
    Hope something happens doesn't mean I want a giant crash to happen :lol:

    Just a slow down, whereby the only thing affected would be the top 1%.
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    Looks like another Tory government :/
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Wow. This is a sickening wish to have. The consequences of something like this would be profound on normal people's lives and all you care about is ideologically shouting "down with the tories". Using a hypothetical catastrophic scenario like this as a political football is shameful.

    Disgusting.
    Pot, kettle. This is exactly what the Tories did. They capitalised politically on the misfortune of millions to win the election and have been riding the wave through policies of austerity ever since. Also, don't preach as a Conservative about such when Thatcher, the witch, drove millions into fiscal despair and poverty on a level unmatched even until this day.




    (Original post by StevePownall)
    Good and bad things have happened throughout the ages..
    Which is exactly what I just said. Learn to read before responding to somebody.

    Capitalism is clearly working.

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    (Original post by elen90)
    Tories all resting on their laurels. Don't get too confident. Cons only won the election by a tiny margin, and many who voted for them did it with no enthusiasm
    Basically this. All the Tories in this thread seem to be forgetting (or maybe are even too young to properly remember) that only five years ago their party was saying exactly the same about Ed Miliband.

    If Cameron sticks to his promise of leaving, the Tories have their own problems. They will have to choose between really believing people will want to be represented internationally by Boris, thinking Osborne is even remotely electable or just going with Grant Shapps or someone else.

    After five years of media character assassinations against Ed Miliband, people got sick of them at exactly the right time, and ended up having to look at what he was actually saying. In the end, they didn't like it as much as what the Tories were offering, but it was pretty close.
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    True, thats what I mean by we need an effective Tory opposition party, we do not have one.. veering to the left in the hope of winning the next election is a non-starter.
    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Yes, but if the Social Democrat Party were around now with the same kind of [political stance as in the 80s they would be a nutty left party.
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    Your arrogance is duly noted. So, what does your ideal society look like.. apart from 'progressive'?
    (Original post by Mr JB)
    Pot, kettle. This is exactly what the Tories did. They capitalised politically on the misfortune of millions to win the election and have been riding the wave through policies of austerity ever since. Also, don't preach as a Conservative about such when Thatcher, the witch, drove millions into fiscal despair and poverty on a level unmatched even until this day.





    Which is exactly what I just said. Learn to read before responding to somebody.

    Capitalism is clearly working.

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    I honestly think David Cameron will make mince meat of him in PMQs. After a month, people within the Labour Party will be voicing their concerns at his suitability and performance, and within 3 months he will be sacked.

    Unbelievable.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Socialism doesn't work? Hahahahahahahjaha
    Oh give over.
    If your policies rely on people like me being taxed into the ground to pay for ridiculous pet projects, it's not going to work. Say goodbye to the productive part of the economy. Big business will leave and people like me will leave with it. I have the offer of a Green Card open to me at any time. I will not live in a country that punishes hard work and aspiration, nor one that spunks money on populist ideological pet projects and pours money into the "redistribution of wealth", nor one that favours economic irresponsibility again. If Labour wins in 2020, the UK would become a very much worse place under his leadership and I think there are a lot of companies and people that will not want to be part of that.
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    (Original post by StevePownall)
    Your arrogance is duly noted.
    If caring about the 99% rather than the 1% is arrogant then arrogant I am. Your lack of compassion and acceptance of servitude to the corporate monopolies is also duly noted. Funny how you also refused to talk about the increase in wealth inequality in these supposedly great capitalist countries.

    Yay! Lets be more like great old America where roughly 1 in 4 children are living in poverty, there is a vast amount of uneducated children, lets privatise the NHS and make people rack up debts of thousands to get treatment, where gangs are shooting people for wearing the wrong colours, people are being hounded and harassed by a mafia-like IRS and a government that only cares about serving itself. Capitalism is obviously working. How about Singapore? Lovely country right? Big massive buildings and skyscrapers look lovely in cityscapes on Google Images! Wahoo! Oh wait, they don't tell you about the rampant poverty as people struggle around inner city blocks and all the other ills of society. No, they hide these people out of the view to try and present a lovely utopian place to live.

    If you capitalists believe socialism doesn't work then stop using the NHS, that was created on a foundation of socialism, and start paying for private healthcare and only ever use that.
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    Do people realise that we have JUST had an election this year? The public opinion can change so much in the next 5 years. I don't agree entirely on Corbyn's stances, but at least now the Tories will have genuine opposition.
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    (Original post by Mr JB)
    Pot, kettle. This is exactly what the Tories did. They capitalised politically on the misfortune of millions to win the election and have been riding the wave through policies of austerity ever since. Also, don't preach as a Conservative about such when Thatcher, the witch, drove millions into fiscal despair and poverty on a level unmatched even until this day.
    What they didn't do though was hope for catastrophe to use as a football to oust the incumbent government. Retort my argument, rather than make straw man arguments that aren't relevant.
 
 
 
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