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    (Original post by IamJacksContempt)
    Awww Billydisco is crying because he has to give some of his money away like everyone else. Maybe if he worked a little harder he wouldn't have to worry so much about it.

    After all I find people who do have money don't tend to ***** and cry about tax as much. Delusional working class/lower middle class who think they're higher than they are though?

    This gave me a good laugh though. http://youtu.be/TRAKztLhTUA
    People who do have money, don't pay taxes thats the problem.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    I'm not bashing people for earning low money, I'm bashing them for complaining their taxpayer subsidies are being withdrawn.... why should they receive free money??
    I know a guy that would kick your head in for a fiver. Actually I know many of my old school mates that'd do it for free
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    They will if their employees are worth it...... thats how salaries work. You are paid what you are worth.
    Unless you are easily expendable because hundreds of thousands of people are ready to step in and take your job due to a huge difference in jobs to people ratio

    YAYY lets hope for another 400,000 immigrants this year
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    (Original post by billydisco;59993795[b)
    ]If an employee isn't paid much, they obviously don't have valuable skills.....[/b]

    Would you pay £100,000 for a Ford Fiesta? No? Then why should employers pay more for somebody with basic skills?
    Or there is an abundance of people with them skills...
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    If an employee isn't paid much, they obviously don't have valuable skills.....

    Would you pay £100,000 for a Ford Fiesta? No? Then why should employers pay more for somebody with basic skills?
    I would hope to treat people as people and not commodities. A car doesn't have to pay rent or bills. A car doesn't have to buy food. A car doesn't have to pay off a mortgage.

    You can't be pro business without being pro workers. The workers make the money - they deserve a wage they can live off.

    You always go on about how you hate people out of work on benefits yet you don't support paying people enough so they can live. What's the point in a job then?
    You often talk about valuable skills and that crap but we can't all be lawyers and doctors billy, we need people to collect rubbish, to clean the streets, to pick strawberries and to serve coffee in Costa (to use your examples). There aren't enough 'highly qualified jobs'. At the moment there are 4 times as many law graduates as law jobs available - more people doing law will just lead to more unemployment.

    We need people to do the lesser jobs for society to function. And let me tell you this, the average person would notice far more if there were no binmen then if there were no accountants.

    Tax credits were a way of allowing people on low incomes a chance to afford to live and 'better themselves'. They were a hand up. Say what you like about new labour but under them the gratest level of social mobility was achieved from working class to middle class - in no small part to increasing job security and pay.

    You seem to think people are paid what they are worth but that is a nonsense argument- people are paid as little as the bosses can pay them.
    You are right in that people should work, but those who do work should be rewarded and paid a wage they can live off. If you want to get rid of tax credits - that's one thing but then you have to massively increase the minimum wage.

    If work doesn't pay there is no incentive to work.
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    Tax credits are there to reduce the influence of trade unions. If people get really desperate, unions will get a foothold and reduce the influence of government and corporations.

    The OP should be happy tax credits exists, otherwise there will be a lot more strikes and disruption to business from trade union action.
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    (Original post by ironandbeer2)
    Ah yes yes, it's all so darned complex.

    Except when it comes to those majority of unemployed unfortunate to be so due to luck of the draw. The days of walking into a job is over.

    Except when it comes to those working all hours on crappy low paid jobs which keep the country going. But hey we can get new workers from anywhere in the world so why bother paying a wage for a hard, often physical, job eh?

    It's all so complex when it comes to the rich. When it comes to the rest of us just flip a coin, cut the state wherever we please, and 'hope for the best'.
    The state isn't 'yours', it belongs to everyone. Yes, even the rich.
    Here are the actual facts:
    -The rich minority pay the vast majority of government receipts.
    -The majority of taxpayers do not pay enough in taxes to cover the costs of government spending for their family and are subsidised by the rich and government borrowing.
    -Government spending cuts will disproportionately affect the poor because the poor disproportionately rely on government spending. In that respect it's actually proportionate. You can't make many cuts that will affect the rich, while taxation is already highly progressive.


    So yes, it is far more complex than what you describe, which appears to be that you're rather self-entitled, and you have a distorted view of the country.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    I know a guy that would kick your head in for a fiver. Actually I know many of my old school mates that'd do it for free
    I'm not sure. Is that mean to be an insult against them? Or an insult to the scum you know?
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    The state isn't 'yours', it belongs to everyone. Yes, even the rich.
    Here are the actual facts:
    -The rich minority pay the vast majority of government receipts.
    -The majority of taxpayers do not pay enough in taxes to cover the costs of government spending for their family and are subsidised by the rich and government borrowing.
    -Government spending cuts will disproportionately affect the poor because the poor disproportionately rely on government spending. In that respect it's actually proportionate. You can't make many cuts that will affect the rich, while taxation is already highly progressive.


    So yes, it is far more complex than what you describe, which appears to be that you're rather self-entitled, and you have a distorted view of the country.
    If people got paid more, they could pay higher taxes.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    I'm a snob for saying people with common skills should get paid less?
    For saying they should get paid less that they currently do and suggesting that they could just go and learn spme more to get a better job.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    If people got paid more, they could pay higher taxes.
    That's certainly a goal the government should strive for. The new living wage will bridge the gap in the meantime. But they've got to be wary of inflation.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    How exactly? They're are only so many jobs higher up, and we need people to do lower paid jobs. Your complete snobbery is ludicrous and without government help striking would be the only way for them to increase their wages.
    BillyDisco is such a thick cun.t.

    Increase their skills? Oh yes, so let's have the entire lower income workforce increase their skills and go for higher income jobs.
    That makes a whole lot of sense because firstly, low income jobs obviously are not needed, we don't need our cleaners, shop workers, carers etc. We simply don't need them, our country can function perfectly fine without it's foundations.
    And secondly, the demand for higher income jobs is so incredibly high, that we need to actively encourage an entire section of the work force to go for these jobs in addition to the higher skilled workforce.

    BillyDisco has fantastic logic.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You seem to think people are paid what they are worth but that is a nonsense argument- people are paid as little as the bosses can pay them.
    You are right in that people should work, but those who do work should be rewarded and paid a wage they can live off. If you want to get rid of tax credits - that's one thing but then you have to massively increase the minimum wage.

    If work doesn't pay there is no incentive to work.
    Perhaps it's because of the existence of tax credits which allows businesses to continually exploit their employees by paying them wages which are less than the living wage?

    Shouldn't the government not be subsidising these businesses?
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    (Original post by Bupdeeboowah)
    Perhaps it's because of the existence of tax credits which allows businesses to continually exploit their employees by paying them wages which are less than the living wage?

    Shouldn't the government not be subsidising these businesses?
    I agree. But then you have to substantially increase the minimum wage for all workers including the self employed. I'd have no problem whatsoever scrapping tax credits if we had a minimum wage of over £10 an hour for all people of all ages.
    It would save the taxpayer a lot of money as well.

    If a business can't afford to pay its rent or its bills then it shouldn't be in business, likewise if it can't afford to pay its staff a decent wage it shouldn't be in business.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Tax credits were a way of allowing people on low incomes a chance to afford to live and 'better themselves'. They were a hand up. Say what you like about new labour but under them the gratest level of social mobility was achieved from working class to middle class - in no small part to increasing job security and pay.
    Tax credits also encourage people to work the minimum to get the maximum they can out of the system. They refuse to do overtime because they'll lose too much.
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    (Original post by OU Student)
    Tax credits also encourage people to work the minimum to get the maximum they can out of the system. They refuse to do overtime because they'll lose too much.
    That's just categorically false.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    That's just categorically false.
    No it's not. There are people out there who do that.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    BillyDisco is such a thick cun.t.

    Increase their skills? Oh yes, so let's have the entire lower income workforce increase their skills and go for higher income jobs.
    That makes a whole lot of sense because firstly, low income jobs obviously are not needed, we don't need our cleaners, shop workers, carers etc. We simply don't need them, our country can function perfectly fine without it's foundations.
    And secondly, the demand for higher income jobs is so incredibly high, that we need to actively encourage an entire section of the work force to go for these jobs in addition to the higher skilled workforce.

    BillyDisco has fantastic logic.
    Aye. There are four times as many law graduates as there are graduate jobs in law. In other words the market is over saturated, encouraging everyone to get these qualifications will lead to unemployment.

    Also i've said before, this country would notice far more if we had no binmen than if we had no accountants.
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    (Original post by OU Student)
    No it's not. There are people out there who do that.
    Evidence?
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    Some people do play the system but id do the same if i got more money. Its up to the govt to stop people doing this.

    This country needs to give out food stamps as part of peoples benefits so people dont waste money and have a decent meal
 
 
 

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