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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You just said protesting or striking is socialist in its nature. Not my fault you are incoherent.
    I am incredibly coherent- I said striking is left-wing:

    (Original post by billydisco)
    A tiny minority doesn't dispute the fact striking is a left-wing, socialist concept
    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    As far as I know they are striking over pay and working conditions. They are being over worked and under paid to the determinate of the service. Government isn't listening to them, hence the protests. Some of them may well be socialists, shock horror I know.
    People shouldn't have their working hours increased, its counter-productive. Do we want tired doctors killing people with misdisagnosis??
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    That'll do

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    (Original post by asif007)
    Only a Tory could say something as ignorant and poorly-informed as this. Read between the lines: this is not about preventing people entering Medicine for the money. It's a way of introducing privatisation of the NHS.
    Again, more *******isation of terminology. ChaoticButterfly

    What do you mean by privatisation? If you mean the type of privatisation which introduces billions of pounds of capital into the NHS through PFI contracts, then you better take a look at Labour. Labour spent decades 'privatising' The NHS and a host of public services - everything from schools to street lights. The overall cost of the debt will be £300bn. Major started these initiatives, Labour kicked them into overdrive.

    Of course, in this context, 'privatisation' is merely utilising private debt to improve public services. That's NOT privatisation - it's stupid, but it's not privatisation i.e. Take the biggest NHS trust in the land - NHS Barts. It was placed in 'special measures' earlier this year, with crippling debt - I think they were due to repay £7bn on a contract value of £1bn over a period of 40-odd years.

    You see, people like you accentuate narratives to make everyone conform to a false perception. The Tories haven't pledged to privatise The NHS; no political party has. The NHS is in absolutely no danger of privatisation. Healthcare will remain free at the point of delivery.

    However, that's the problem. To you, 'privatisation' is a euphemism for 'outsourcing.' That's not privatisation, that's outsourcing - every public sector organisation in the land DEPENDS on outsourcing. The NHS has always been dependent on outsourcing and independent contractors. You can't possibly facilitate absolutely every need 'in-house.'

    As far as I'm aware only one hospital has ever been wholly under private control - Circle Partnerships - and that was pulled back (and was still funded by the Government, and healthcare was still free at the point of delivery). Then again, it was Burnham who signed it off even though the coalition was in power when it was placed under 'private' control.

    It's all the more farcical when you consider the fact, for example, most GPs or dentists have never been 'traditional' employees of The NHS. They've always been independent contractors of NHS services. The NHS has always had a blend of private and public provision, with control for choosing and authorising suppliers, and ensuring healthcare is free at the point of delivery, vested in the hands of the Government since post-WW2.

    It's not your point which irritates me, it's your blatant dishonesty and emotional manipulation. FYI, I'm not even a Tory, but with narratives like these I will be far more likely to trust someone who operates in accordance with cold, calculated self-interested than someone who employs dishonest narratives to make their point.

    (Original post by asif007)
    Doctors are protesting to keep the NHS alive and defend the safety of patients - none of this is for their own self-interests.
    Don't talk nonsense. No-one ever does anything which isn't in their own self-interest. Do tell, do they turn up to work for altruistic purposes? Do you think every doctor in the land is a caring, empathic soul who entered the profession merely to solve the world's ills, protect The NHS and help the less fortunate? Only a naive fool would believe such a thing.

    How many of them would turn up every morning if their wan't a payslip at the end of the month?

    We're not arguing whether there's a trace of morality or altruism in their respective career choice - there may well be. But that's not what you're arguing. You're saying they aren't self interested - newsflash: EVERYONE is self-interested.
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    (Original post by TheCitizenAct)
    Again, more *******isation of terminology. ChaoticButterfly

    What do you mean by privatisation? If you mean the type of privatisation which introduces billions of pounds of capital into the NHS through PFI contracts, then you better take a look at Labour. Labour spent decades 'privatising' The NHS and a host of public services - everything from schools to street lights. The overall cost of the debt will be £300bn. Major started these initiatives, Labour kicked them into overdrive.

    Of course, in this context, 'privatisation' is merely utilising private debt to improve public services. That's NOT privatisation - it's stupid, but it's not privatisation i.e. Take the biggest NHS trust in the land - NHS Barts. It was placed in 'special measures' earlier this year, with crippling debt - I think they were due to repay £7bn on a contract value of £1bn over a period of 40-odd years.
    Yes I know labour did that. But then I have never said labour didn't. I've pointed it out many times to lefties on here that get all angry with me for disliking the labour party.
 
 
 
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