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Are there any Muslim converts on here preferably from a judea-christian background? watch

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    (Original post by AnonymousForLife)
    Sorry but I don't have time to make stupid assumptions like you do and are doing now.

    Nah.

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    Whatever you say, Mary.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    Whatever you say, Mary.
    Ikr

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    (Original post by Masih ad-Dajjal)
    What are their entry requirements, do you get scholarships, bursaries etc?
    I have no idea.
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    (Original post by PrincessZara)
    Most of my family :O
    Explain please.
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    Explain please.
    Most of my family converted from Christians to Islam
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    Why doesn't being a theist without partaking in organised religion appeal to you?

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    (Original post by PrincessZara)
    Most of my family converted from Christians to Islam
    and now you're listening to lowkey and asking about the Rothschilds


    Mashallah
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    (Original post by PrincessZara)
    Most of my family converted from Christians to Islam
    How many,who,why are you one of them?
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    (Original post by Masih ad-Dajjal)
    There is nothing wrong with converting and either way I hope you are happy, but this idea that Islam is the religion for you, because it encompasses the figures of the previous religions strikes me as strange.
    I've always been on the opinion that the Yahwehite religions become worse with each incarnation; Judaism, while it can be a bit gnarly and exclusive, generally keeps to itself and has never been particularly disposed to seek converts and evangelise. With Yahwehism 2.0 (or Christianity), you had Judaic scripture rolled up into a new package with new-fangled innovations (such as the concept of hell, and the need to "save" souls).

    With Yahwehism 3.0 (or Islam), they adopted all the old prophets and origin myths of the Jews, accepted Jesus as a major figure (apparently he is not just a prophet in Islam; in Islamic eschatology, Jesus and the Mahdi return as a duo in the end times). But Islam also took on a much more pugnacious and aggressive focus on conversion. Yahwehism seems to become more aggressive as each update is rolled out.

    Don't get me wrong (despite my needlessly provocative username) I do feel there is something mesmerising about Islam compared with other religions, but there has to be more in your mind than what you wrote out there.
    I do find Islam to be somewhat mesmeric, and attractive, for two reasons. The first is the purity of its monotheism; they really cut away a lot of the superfluous nonsense about Holy Ghosts and the rest, to focus on a very singular, austere god. The other is that it has an almost legalistic approach to scriptural construction; Islamic jurisprudence almost feels like a kind of religious common-law. Although I utterly abhor the content of Islamic law, the interpretive framework they use comes across as more robust, and more intellectually-disposed, than Christianity.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    Not at all. There are clearly different interpretations. For example, what does the Quran say on modesty for women? Some would interpret it as requiring women to wear Niqabs, others would interpret it as simply wearing a veil and others would interpret it as merely dressing moderately (but not necessarily wearing a veil). There is by no means universal consensus among Muslims as to how this instruction for modesty should be applied in everyday life.


    Then we also have more controversial issues such as homosexuality. How one interprets the story of Lut would depend on the individual. Progressive Muslims tend to have a more accepting stance towards homosexuality. In Indonesia for example, there are quite a number of vocal Muslim advocates for LGBT rights within Islam.
    i can honestly see why people buy you. calm, well spoken and mention a few relevant big words every now . pity i aint naive.

    youre lucky that these people havent picked up a real book or they'd shake their heads in belief at some of the things u try to sell. more aimed at the latter part of yo post.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)



    This is just a quick varied list I complied and is by no means exhaustive.
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    A Quiet Revolution: The Veil's Resurgence, from the Middle East to America - Leila Ahmed

    Progressive Muslims: On Justice, Gender, and Pluralism - Omid Safi

    Sexual Ethics And Islam: Feminist Reflections on Qur'an, Hadith, and Jurisprudence - Kecia Ali

    Qur'an and Woman: Rereading the Sacred Text from a Woman's Perspective - Amina Wadud

    "Believing Women" in Islam: Unreading Patriarchal Interpretations of the Qur'an - Asma Barlas

    Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800 - Khaled El-Rouayheb

    Living Out Islam: Voices of Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Muslims - Scott Siraj Al-Haqq Kugle

    Homosexuality in Islam: Critical Reflection on Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Muslims - Scott Siraj Al-Haqq Kugle

    Women Shaping Islam: Reading the Qu'ran in Indonesia - Pieternella van Doorn-Harder

    Paradise Beneath Her Feet: How Women Are Transforming the Middle East - Isobel Coleman

    How to Win a Cosmic War: God, Globalization, and the End of the War on Terror - Reza Aslan

    The Great Theft: Wrestling Islam from the Extremists - Khaled Abou El Fadl

    Islamic Pacifism: Global Muslims in the Post-Osama Era - Arsalan Iftikhar

    The Second Message of Islam - Mahmud Muhammad Taha

    The Place of Tolerance in Islam - Khaled Abou El Fadl

    Inside The Gender Jihad: Women's Reform in Islam - Amina Wadud

    Beyond the Veil: Male-Female Dynamics in Modern Muslim Society - Fatema Mernissi

    The Future of Islam - John L. Esposito

    No god but God: The Origins, Evolution and Future of Islam - Reza Aslan

    Toward an Islamic Reformation: Civil Liberties, Human Rights, and International Law - Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na'im

    Islam and the Secular State: Negotiating the Future of Shari'a - Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na'im

    Standing Alone in Mecca: An American Woman's Struggle for the Soul of Islam - Asra Nomani

    The Muslim next door : the Qurʼan, the media, and that veil thing - Sumbul Ali-Karamali

    Women and Gender in Islam: Historical Roots of a Modern Debate - Leila Ahmed

    The Trouble With Islam Today: A Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith - Irshad Manji

    I Speak for Myself: American Women on Being Muslim - Maria M. Ebrahimji

    The Politics of the Veil - Joan Wallach Scott

    Liberal Islam: A Sourcebook - Charles Kurzman

    Halal Monk: A Christian on a Journey through Islam - Jonas Yunus Atlas


    that book list :rofl:

    what a load of codswallop.
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    I've always been on the opinion that the Yahwehite religions become worse with each incarnation; Judaism, while it can be a bit gnarly and exclusive, generally keeps to itself and has never been particularly disposed to seek converts and evangelise. With Yahwehism 2.0 (or Christianity), you had Judaic scripture rolled up into a new package with new-fangled innovations (such as the concept of hell, and the need to "save" souls).

    With Yahwehism 3.0 (or Islam), they adopted all the old prophets and origin myths of the Jews, accepted Jesus as a major figure (apparently he is not just a prophet in Islam; in Islamic eschatology, Jesus and the Mahdi return as a duo in the end times). But Islam also took on a much more pugnacious and aggressive focus on conversion. Yahwehism seems to become more aggressive as each update is rolled out.
    Some people like the fact Judaism does not actively seek converts, respect that Jews leave others to live their lives in peace, but others say it makes them racist, superior in their attitude and use it against them.


    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    I do find Islam to be somewhat mesmeric, and attractive, for two reasons. The first is the purity of its monotheism; they really cut away a lot of the superfluous nonsense about Holy Ghosts and the rest, to focus on a very singular, austere god. The other is that it has an almost legalistic approach to scriptural construction; Islamic jurisprudence almost feels like a kind of religious common-law. Although I utterly abhor the content of Islamic law, the interpretive framework they use comes across as more robust, and more intellectually-disposed, than Christianity.

    Christianity is a religion of faith, you don't really have to follow any code, so long as you believe you are saved. Judaism and Islam are both religions of laws, but I think the way the laws have developed in Judaism make it seem less plausible given that it was very gradual and has undeniably been changed since the days of the Pharisees etc.

    Islam is by far the most brutal, but it has an elegance.
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    (Original post by gisco)
    wow lol, now you're trying to pre-corrupt prospective muslims too. your deception and lies are disgusting epi. i wish that you would grow up one day.
    It is humorous that you feel the need to create another account just to reply to my posts. I am still waiting for you to reply to my thread.

    (Original post by gisco)
    you have the wrong view of him. i dont want to sound harsh but youve fallen for the old "long well written posts = knowledgeable" trick.

    if you want to learn about islam, go ask someone else.

    if you want to learn about something thats not islam, consult epicurean. even if you ask him about islam, you will not learn about islam. hes great at twisting things, putting forward exceptionally weak arguments in a good way and so looking like he knows things.

    most muslims will shake their heads in disbelief at his "knowledge".

    ive pointed the hole out, now dont fall into it.
    If you wish to teach the OP about your homophobic interpretations, by all means go ahead.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    It is humorous that you feel the need to create another account just to reply to my posts. I am still waiting for you to reply to my thread.
    He is someone you know?

    :confused: :confused: :confused:
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Reputedly authentic Hadeeth narrate that Aisha was 9 when Muhammad had sex with her.

    That aside, how can you not see the irony of your own comment? You weren't around at the time of Muhammed either, so how can you then say any of it is true?
    got a question

    i dont even disagree with u here cept the irony bit coz i cant be bothered reading the convo back fully.

    i notice sumfin with u anti islam people. a muslim says sumfim fishy like rejecting a authentic hadith thing, u lot point it out. ur man epicurean pulls this rubbish all the time, why do u big atheists or whatever u are, never atk each other when one of ur lot pulls this rubbish

    it just seems like ur here to correct muslims but not each other.
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    (Original post by Masih ad-Dajjal)
    He is someone you know?

    :confused: :confused: :confused:
    i refuted him on his thread a few weeks back
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    (Original post by gisco)
    i refuted him on his thread a few weeks back
    I see.
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    (Original post by Masih ad-Dajjal)
    I see.
    do i know u?

    seem familiar. u someones dupe? perm banned user?
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    (Original post by gisco)
    do i know u?

    seem familiar
    Perhaps you're my IRL bestie and we never knew it
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    (Original post by Masih ad-Dajjal)
    Perhaps you're my IRL bestie and we never knew it
    would be awkward :lol:
 
 
 
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