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    Is this moron still relevant?

    Same guy who helped ban all DECENT food in high schools across the country with his healthy agenda nonsense. Really hate people like him who always try to ram something down everyone's throats.
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    (Original post by Oh ooo)
    You might need to visit your local Specsavers.

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    I kek'd :rofl:
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    (Original post by JeremyOU)
    he is not fat.
    sugar tax is a great idea, you know sugar kills more people than cancer?
    Your post just gave everyone ITT cancer.
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    (Original post by Evil Genius)
    Is this moron still relevant?

    Same guy who helped ban all DECENT food in high schools across the country with his healthy agenda nonsense. Really hate people like him who always try to ram something down everyone's throats.
    You 'really hate' someone whose motivation is to stop children becoming obese and getting heart disease?
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    You 'really hate' someone whose motivation is to stop children becoming obese and getting heart disease?
    some people are haters...
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    You 'really hate' someone whose motivation is to stop children becoming obese and getting heart disease?
    I believe parents should take responsibility for their children becoming obese or developing heart diseases. Not Jamie Oliver or David Cameron.

    It's the same as forcing ISP's to block porn websites and what not, it's not the governments or random plebs like Jamie Oliver's business, it should be the parents being responsible for their own children.
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...emism-strategy

    This is an absolute joke.

    What do you guys think?
    Is it really that much of a big deal? :erm: So from what I've understood, rather than paying like £2 for a bottle of soda...you would pay £2.40 and it will possibly have a positive effect on health¿ What's the problem? ^-^

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    (Original post by Evil Genius)
    I believe parents should take responsibility for their children becoming obese or developing heart diseases. Not Jamie Oliver or David Cameron.

    It's the same as forcing ISP's to block porn websites and what not, it's not the governments or random plebs like Jamie Oliver's business, it should be the parents being responsible for their own children.
    And when the parents aren't responsible?
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    (Original post by Evil Genius)
    I believe parents should take responsibility for their children becoming obese or developing heart diseases. Not Jamie Oliver or David Cameron.

    It's the same as forcing ISP's to block porn websites and what not, it's not the governments or random plebs like Jamie Oliver's business, it should be the parents being responsible for their own children.
    But parents don't determine what schools feed their children. So I entirely don't understand your objection to Jamie's campaign to improve that.

    The basic fact is that children are impressionable, and if you teach them, or allow them to develop, harmful habits, they will keep them. It really depends upon whether you think children are entirely their parents' property. I personally do not. If your child gets cancer, for instance, and you want to forgo proper treatment in favour of intensive prayer, tough ****. You're not entitled to kill your child. Therefore, the government should intervene. What we're talking about here is less extreme, but it's the same principle.
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    (Original post by Nathanielle)
    Why shall only perfectly athletic people be able to promote healthy food?


    Yeah, because athletes eat the food he is actually talking about...the problem is not sugar in bred/apples and chicken, but those little infants getting a coke per meal or processed food having way more than normal amounts of sugar, fat, etc. !
    I never said I thought that only athletic people should be able to promote healthy food. I was describing the problem people seem to have with Jamie supporting the sugar tax, as they clearly think it's hypocritical.
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    (Original post by JeremyOU)
    he is not fat.
    sugar tax is a great idea, you know sugar kills more people than cancer?
    I'm not saying the sugar tax is a bad idea nor do I, personally, think Jamie Oliver is fat? What's your point here?
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    (Original post by IamJacksContempt)
    Go back and please read the actual thread before dribbling rubbish. TheGuyReturns said and I quote: He's quite firmly in the overweight category in the picture. I'd bet pretty close to obese."

    I retorted with the suggestion that he doesn't know what "obese" is. To which you replied:



    So clearly YOU were talking about him being obese. Moving the goal posts was I? You're either so dumb that you can't even follow a simple argument or simply a liar. Which one is it?

    No Jamie Oliver is far from the exception. Like I said, people who have large amounts of muscle mass, people with higher bone density etc etc..

    Bro-science is it? Yes clearly...

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265215.php

    http://examine.com/faq/how-valid-is-...h-and-obesity/

    http://io9.com/5936992/new-study-say...erican-obesity


    I mean the fact that I am actually having to educate a "qualified fitness instructor" (lol) and a medic then that just sums up the state of affairs of this country and why there is such confusion and ineffective countering of obesity.

    "Shooting from the hip"? "I don't recall posting about weight loss or being overweight" Lol okay then...




    Come on Ronove, you're making this far too easy for me.

    The thing about fat cells wasn't a scare story, it is fact and something you should have surely already known?


    So to sum up:

    - You apparently have amnesia or simply lie to try and deny you ever said something.
    - You used to be a fair degree overweight and are still bitter about it while deflecting arguments by accusing others of being insecure.
    - You disregard peer reviewed studies and expert opinion as bro-science.
    - And you should probably not be a "qualified fitness instructor". (Guess anyone can become one nowadays)
    I'm done going round and round like this. You should probably go back and edit your posts so people can't see exactly how much you lie and move the goalposts to fit the debate around whatever was the latest stupid comment you tried to use in an argument.

    [email protected] your evidence of my great posting history that shows I've been worrying and posting about my weight. You couldn't even find a post that was specifically about my opinion on my weight, but rather one that mentioned my weight to support a point about something else.

    And LMAO I just read your links. Did you even read any of them before posting? The overall message of two of them is that Jamie Oliver likely is 'obese' even if his BMI is under 30. I'm not surprised you didn't link me to any actual peer-reviewed research ([email protected] you thinking some articles maybe sometimes mentioning a study or two of their own selection without justification of their choice is debate-winning stuff) if you couldn't even cope with reading a few paragraphs before posting.

    I'll just leave this here:

    "If you are normal weight or overweight according to BMI (18.5-29.9) there is still a chance you are actually obese, and thus is primarily due to low levels of lean mass (muscle, water, and glycogen).

    If you are obese according to BMI, you are most likely obese according to body fat percentage as well. When sampling from the general population, over 95% of men and 99% of women identified as obese by BMI were obese via body fat levels.[6]

    Outliers to this dataset, those who have enough lean mass to be classified as obese by BMI but not by body fat percentage, are far and few in society. These persons would normally be highly active athletes or dedicated 'weekend warriors', and it is unlikely sedentary persons or those with infrequent exercise habits would be these outliers." From your own link, you are welcome.

    Anyway I'm out now. Feel free to respond with yet another post that attempts to a) wind me up, b) accuse me of stuff you have pulled out of your arse and then cannot back up later, and c) yet more misrepresentations of both of our arguments as a ploy to make it look like you've won. I won't be wasting more time on this.
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    (Original post by Ronove)
    I'm done going round and round like this. You should probably go back and edit your posts so people can't see exactly how much you lie and move the goalposts to fit the debate around whatever was the latest stupid comment you tried to use in an argument.

    [email protected] your evidence of my great posting history that shows I've been worrying and posting about my weight. You couldn't even find a post that was specifically about my opinion on my weight, but rather one that mentioned my weight to support a point about something else.

    And LMAO I just read your links. Did you even read any of them before posting? The overall message of two of them is that Jamie Oliver likely is 'obese' even if his BMI is under 30. I'm not surprised you didn't link me to any actual peer-reviewed research ([email protected] you thinking some articles maybe sometimes mentioning a study or two of their own selection without justification of their choice is debate-winning stuff) if you couldn't even cope with reading a few paragraphs before posting.

    I'll just leave this here:

    "If you are normal weight or overweight according to BMI (18.5-29.9) there is still a chance you are actually obese, and thus is primarily due to low levels of lean mass (muscle, water, and glycogen).

    If you are obese according to BMI, you are most likely obese according to body fat percentage as well. When sampling from the general population, over 95% of men and 99% of women identified as obese by BMI were obese via body fat levels.[6]

    Outliers to this dataset, those who have enough lean mass to be classified as obese by BMI but not by body fat percentage, are far and few in society. These persons would normally be highly active athletes or dedicated 'weekend warriors', and it is unlikely sedentary persons or those with infrequent exercise habits would be these outliers." From your own link, you are welcome.

    Anyway I'm out now. Feel free to respond with yet another post that attempts to a) wind me up, b) accuse me of stuff you have pulled out of your arse and then cannot back up later, and c) yet more misrepresentations of both of our arguments as a ploy to make it look like you've won. I won't be wasting more time on this.
    Wow you're delusional. You can't simply accuse someone of "moving the goalposts" because you were wrong. It's clear for everyone to see how contradictory your posts are.

    You claimed that you don't remember any posts referring to your own weight and I found one in minutes. Wonder how many others there are? I don't even need to find a post where you explicitly state how overweight you are AS WELL AS your opinion of it. The fact that you wanted to lose it says enough.

    Wow hahahahaha you cannot be serious. Yet again you appear to be the one moving the goalposts. You claimed that the BMI measure was accurate for most people and disregarded my opinion as simply "bro-science". I countered with evidence that it is indeed inaccurate and SURPRISE SURPRISE you completely ignore it. I think you would be better off reading the actual journals from the summation.

    'From our findings it is apparent that the diagnostic performance of BMI in intermediate ranges of body weight is limited mainly because of the inability of BMI to discriminate between BF % and lean mass, understandable since the majority of human body weight (numerator of the BMI) comes from lean mass. Indeed, our analyses found that BMI correlated in similar fashion with lean mass as it did with body fat. In fact, in men BMI correlated significantly better with lean mass than with body fat.'

    'The implications of mislabeling patients are not trivial. By using BMI as a marker of obesity, we misclassify ≥ 50% of patients with excess body fat as being normal or just overweight and we miss the opportunity to intervene and reduce health risk in such individuals. Conversely, BMI may lead to misclassification of persons with normal levels of fat as being overweight, a fact that could cause unnecessary distress and prompt to unnecessary and costly interventions. In addition, such mislabeling has a deleterious effect on public trust for healthcare providers, particularly from fit patients with evident preserved muscle mass.'.

    Here, have some more research about it's inaccuracy:

    http://journals.lww.com/nutritiontod...lth___A.5.aspx

    I'll paraphrase some of the key points to make it easier for you.

    "it is increasingly clear that BMI is a rather poor indicator of percent of body fat. Importantly, the BMI also does not capture information on the mass of fat in different body sites. The latter is related not only to untoward health issues but to social issues as well."


    http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/06june/P...d-obesity.aspx


    So I'll ask you again. How can we take your word (which certainly appears to mean very little) that based on one picture you can tell if someone has a BMI of 30... which doesn't even reflect if someone is actually obese or not?

    No you must be right. A professional male chef who will have undoubtedly have a well balanced diet, rich in protein wouldn't have a lot of lean mass would he? That's just impossible!

    And not to mention running away from the argument with the typical excuse "not wasting anymore time on this" simply because you know you're wrong.

    I hope you take a deep hard look at yourself after this fiasco. I also hope you learn from it, otherwise I genuinely worry for the health and safety of whatever desperate and naive person comes to YOU for fitness instruction..
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    Jamie Oliver should mind his own business.
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    A sugar tax just makes the poor poorer, instead VAT on veg and fruit should be lowered, i'm not sure if there is vat on those goods, but making the idea of creating a burger at home cheaper than at mcdonalds is a good start.
 
 
 
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