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Its the least i can expect from Wenger before he goes :colone:
Reply 61
It's hard to make such a claim because it isn't uncharacteristic for Arsenal to make lightning starts like this.
The problem they have comes when they implode hilariously in February.

Personally with each week gone, I see that happening less and less though. They aren't even playing amazing in most games; just destroying the opposition for 10-20 minutes and winning the game right there.

So efficient.
So annoying.
I'm surprised people talk about Arsenal 'bottling it' in previous seasons. IMO bottling it means you have the best team and you freeze when it gets to the critical point.

United, City or Chelsea fans taunted Arsenal about being bottlers but if you asked them if they thought Arsenal had a better team than them they would have said LOL no way do you think the likes of Giroud, Diaby, Arteta would get in our first team??

Arsenal have usually been about the 4th strongest squad in the PL and finished about 4th so they have got what they deserved. But they have been slowly getting better since the financial constraints started to ease up. They won two FA Cups and if you look at the calendar year 2013 they were over 38 games the best team in the league.

I think they are getting closer but still there are a couple of gaps that people will bring up if they don't win the league this year:
- central defence, do they have a title winning defence? Is there good cover there?
- central midfield, for years people have said they have never replaced Vieira, have they replaced him yet?
- strikers - every year people say Arsenal need a striker, is Walcott/Giroud good enough?

I think as Chelsea and Man United have gone backwards/treading water, Arsenal have moved from the 4th best to the 2nd best squad but I think City have the best squad still and Arsenal second so Arsenal will be relying on City bottling it, to an extent.
Original post by shawn_o1
There really is no point getting into an argument with such a deluded individual.


How am I deluded?
Original post by MagicNMedicine
I'm surprised people talk about Arsenal 'bottling it' in previous seasons. IMO bottling it means you have the best team and you freeze when it gets to the critical point.

United, City or Chelsea fans taunted Arsenal about being bottlers but if you asked them if they thought Arsenal had a better team than them they would have said LOL no way do you think the likes of Giroud, Diaby, Arteta would get in our first team??

Arsenal have usually been about the 4th strongest squad in the PL and finished about 4th so they have got what they deserved. But they have been slowly getting better since the financial constraints started to ease up. They won two FA Cups and if you look at the calendar year 2013 they were over 38 games the best team in the league.

I think they are getting closer but still there are a couple of gaps that people will bring up if they don't win the league this year:
- central defence, do they have a title winning defence? Is there good cover there?
- central midfield, for years people have said they have never replaced Vieira, have they replaced him yet?
- strikers - every year people say Arsenal need a striker, is Walcott/Giroud good enough?

I think as Chelsea and Man United have gone backwards/treading water, Arsenal have moved from the 4th best to the 2nd best squad but I think City have the best squad still and Arsenal second so Arsenal will be relying on City bottling it, to an extent.


Not necessarily. You don't have to have the best squad to bottle it, you just need to be close to the summit and then implode. Imo Arsenal have had more than capable teams in the past i.e 07/08 and 10/11 but they bottled it badly both times, hence why most people still have that stigma regarding Arsenal imo.
Original post by sr90
West Ham over Liverpool

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Top 4 will be: City, Arsenal, United, Chelsea.
Original post by Lúcio
It's hard to make such a claim because it isn't uncharacteristic for Arsenal to make lightning starts like this.
The problem they have comes when they implode hilariously in February.

Personally with each week gone, I see that happening less and less though. They aren't even playing amazing in most games; just destroying the opposition for 10-20 minutes and winning the game right there.

So efficient.
So annoying.


In a way Swansea was one of my favourite performance of the season, if not my favourite away performance. To play as **** as we did in the first half, not concede, then smash it for 20 mins in the second half was beautiful, simply perfection.

Original post by MagicNMedicine
I'm surprised people talk about Arsenal 'bottling it' in previous seasons. IMO bottling it means you have the best team and you freeze when it gets to the critical point.

United, City or Chelsea fans taunted Arsenal about being bottlers but if you asked them if they thought Arsenal had a better team than them they would have said LOL no way do you think the likes of Giroud, Diaby, Arteta would get in our first team??

Arsenal have usually been about the 4th strongest squad in the PL and finished about 4th so they have got what they deserved. But they have been slowly getting better since the financial constraints started to ease up. They won two FA Cups and if you look at the calendar year 2013 they were over 38 games the best team in the league.

I think they are getting closer but still there are a couple of gaps that people will bring up if they don't win the league this year:
- central defence, do they have a title winning defence? Is there good cover there?
- central midfield, for years people have said they have never replaced Vieira, have they replaced him yet?
- strikers - every year people say Arsenal need a striker, is Walcott/Giroud good enough?

I think as Chelsea and Man United have gone backwards/treading water, Arsenal have moved from the 4th best to the 2nd best squad but I think City have the best squad still and Arsenal second so Arsenal will be relying on City bottling it, to an extent.


Imo
Defence: best in the league in terms of starting, 2nd best for depth bar maybe fullback depth, but we can't all have Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov as fullback can we :frown:
I mean we've seen all 10, yes TEN city defenders (inc keepers) put in a shift in the league and none have looked out of place really bar their 2nd keeper. Ridiculous depth when you have all 4 starting defenders out but you still have the 2nd best defence in the league at the time
Midfield: probably equal with city for starting but losing in terms of depth
Striker: obvious losers but we have 2 strikers who are very good in streaks, so if Wenger plays them correctly they'll get 30+ in the league imo combined which may well be more than Bony + Aguero if the latter fails to stay fit.

For me it's our best chance in the last 10 years, but judging on the age of city's defence we may well have an even better chance next season
Chelsea won't get top 4: City Arsenal United Liverpool (spurs to challenge but bottle), Leicester and west ham to fall off but battle for 6th and 7th
Original post by leinad2012
Chelsea won't get top 4: City Arsenal United Liverpool (spurs to challenge but bottle), Leicester and west ham to fall off but battle for 6th and 7th


Nah they will. Arsenal were in a similar position last year but still made it. Chelsea can and will imo.
Original post by ASTK98
Nah they will. Arsenal were in a similar position last year but still made it. Chelsea can and will imo.


Yes but Jose is no Arsene, no specialist in top 4, 3rd season flop etc. etc. Only way they'll make it is by spending £70mil in the winter window for a new rb and dlp, and there aren't really any top top dlp's available. Another top striker wouldn't go amiss either, Remy and Costa just aren't cutting it and Costa is pretty injury/suspension prone. Remy isn't capable of picking up the slack.
Original post by ASTK98
Nah they will. Arsenal were in a similar position last year but still made it. Chelsea can and will imo.


Similar? At this point last year Arsenal had 17 pts, Chelsea have 11. That's quite a big difference at this stage in the season.

But more importantly, both the Arsenal manager and the team were more than used to going through slumps, and knew how to keep their head down and work hard for the improvements to come. Arsenal are so used to it that going through a bad patch doesn't affect them mentally to anywhere near the extent that it has clearly affected Chelsea.

And Mourinho has totally lost his head. Chelsea could make top 4 if they bounce back immediately, starting now. But they don't look like doing that at all. Mourinho's actions and behaviour are making things worse every week, not better.

I'm sure they'll turn it around eventually, but it'll be too late. Especially given the large number of clubs doing well enough to easily take and keep hold of 4th place from their current 9-10 point advantage.
Reply 71
Original post by ASTK98
Nah they will. Arsenal were in a similar position last year but still made it. Chelsea can and will imo.


Yeah but Klopp though...
Reply 72
Original post by e aí rapaz
Mourinho has totally lost his head. Chelsea could make top 4 if they bounce back immediately, starting now. But they don't look like doing that at all. Mourinho's actions and behaviour are making things worse every week, not better.

I'm sure they'll turn it around eventually, but it'll be too late. Especially given the large number of clubs doing well enough to easily take and keep hold of 4th place from their current 9-10 point advantage.


Exactly what I've been saying, good post.
I made a similar argument this not get in the Chelsea thread. They may well pull it back but they have to start now because as it stands, the gap will just keep increasing.

Liverpool/Spurs are gonna be their biggest rivals for 4th place and they're already 6/7 points behind them respectively. When you have the former introducing a top manager and improving every week, and the latter being a team who is always around 5th place waiting for an opportunity like this, Chelsea need to get their act together before Xmas or they'll have a mountain to climb.
Original post by leinad2012
Imagine thinking Leicester will get top 4. What big club have they faced this season (bar arsenal who tore them apart)?

Swansea United Liverpool Chelsea Everton City in their next 8 games. If they get more than 10 points from those fixtures I'll be amazed


None of them are big clubs? :lol: (Or strong teams is what I should say)

I could see them getting 9 points out of them. Quite me.
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Both Everton and Liverpool are big clubs.
Original post by Lúcio
Exactly what I've been saying, good post.
I made a similar argument this not get in the Chelsea thread. They may well pull it back but they have to start now because as it stands, the gap will just keep increasing.

Liverpool/Spurs are gonna be their biggest rivals for 4th place and they're already 6/7 points behind them respectively. When you have the former introducing a top manager and improving every week, and the latter being a team who is always around 5th place waiting for an opportunity like this, Chelsea need to get their act together before Xmas or they'll have a mountain to climb.


They're 9 points behind spurs now! And spurs are second in the form league too, only behind Arsenal.
Original post by ASTK98
How am I deluded?


The other guy is. He's some kind of mourinho alter ego.
Reply 77
Original post by e aí rapaz
They're 9 points behind spurs now! And spurs are second in the form league too, only behind Arsenal.


Oh sorry my bad, I was mixing Spurs up with Soton.
Jesus that's ridiculous - imagine if they lose to them in the game soon too?

We'll likely lose to City so it's a good opportunity for them to catch up.
Arsenal winning the league would be a victory for football.
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Original post by IamJacksContempt
None of them are big clubs? :lol: (Or strong teams is what I should say)

I could see them getting 9 points out of them. Quite me.


For a club that is apparently capable of finishing in the top 4, 9/24 points from these games is quite bad. Again, one of the reasons they won't finish in the top 4. Most big teams will walk over them.

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