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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    A very anti-male law if you ask me.
    No. If you are unable to consent to sex, you have not consented to sex. It isn't about gender, it's about consent.

    For example, if I said that I wanted to have sex with a person then fainted before having sex, the person who I was with is not allowed to use me for sex whilst I was unconscious. That is called rape.

    Another example, if I said I wanted to go on a roller coaster but fainted before getting on, it wouldn't be right to strap me in anyway because I gave preemptive consent. I would be rightly a bit annoyed if someone did that.

    If someone is paralytic then they cannot consent. You don't have a right to sex with that person, even if whilst sober they said they wanted sex. If someone is unable to consent to sex at that moment, having sex with them is rape.

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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    But body language is very difficult to be "explicit". Consent is very rarely "explicit". [1]

    You said-

    "If someone consents to sex (meaning they say yes, knowingly referrring to sex) then its not rape, no matter drunk they are."

    What kind of explicit consent, can a person who is highly intoxicated give? [2] You said "indicators such as body language", but that's not explicit at all.
    [1] Hence why this is such a tricky and controversial issue.

    [2] They could initiate sexual contact for a start
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    (Original post by Jonny360)
    [1] Hence why this is such a tricky and controversial issue.

    [2] They could initiate sexual contact for a start

    I think you're forgetting what we were initially discussing, because you're backtracking now.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    I think you're forgetting what we were initially discussing, because you're backtracking now.
    No I don't think so, I just haven't been paying you too much attention. This is really getting quite boring now. I feel like this reply should be my last.
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    (Original post by Jonny360)
    No I don't think so, I just haven't been paying you too much attention. This is really getting quite boring now. I feel like this reply should be my last.
    Because you're completey ignorant about a very important topic, but are perfectly content in staying that way. Ignorance is bless.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    Because you're completey ignorant about a very important topic, but are perfectly content in staying that way. Ignorance is bless.
    And I could say the same thing right back to you. But Im going now, you've bored me.
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    (Original post by Katty3)
    No. If you are unable to consent to sex, you have not consented to sex. It isn't about gender, it's about consent.

    For example, if I said that I wanted to have sex with a person then fainted before having sex, the person who I was with is not allowed to use me for sex whilst I was unconscious. That is called rape.

    Another example, if I said I wanted to go on a roller coaster but fainted before getting on, it wouldn't be right to strap me in anyway because I gave preemptive consent. I would be rightly a bit annoyed if someone did that.

    If someone is paralytic then they cannot consent. You don't have a right to sex with that person, even if whilst sober they said they wanted sex. If someone is unable to consent to sex at that moment, having sex with them is rape.

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    I have been raped/sexually assaulted at least twice then as both times a few years apart I walked a girl home and slept on her sofa to find out she had her way with me when I was sleeping.

    I don't disagree with you but in the real world every situation is different someone can consent and then later be so out of it they dont even realise they are having sex I would not call that rape, if they were unconcious its a harder matter though, and even more so as it can be that someones inhibitions drop when they drink so they wanted sex but would never of slept with the person they did if sober, that doesnt mean a man has taken advantage,

    Rape rules are difficult as I have heard guys get some nasty comments if say both people are sober and consent and girl changes her mind in the middle of sex and guy doesnt hear her its rape as she has said no even though he never heard it, or girls can say no and its just as a tease, I have stopped when a girl has said no in middle of sex before to then be told "why have you stopped"

    The main issue is men are the penetrators that means they are the ones accused, unless a woman strapped on something it would never be the same thing.
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    (Original post by Jonny360)
    And I could say the same thing right back to you. But Im going now, you've bored me.
    You couldn't even remember the initial argument.

    You said "drunk sex is not rape".

    You then went on to say that if someone gives they're consent at one point, then they cannot be raped, regardless of how drunk they are, and regardless of what happens from then onwards. Basically, you said that once a person gives their consent, you can do whatever you like with them, because once given, consent cannot be retracted.

    You specified this as "explicit consent". I told you that sex is very often not verbally consented to, so asked what you meant by "explicit consent". With you coming back with "indicators such as body language". So in other words, you concede that consent is very often not explicit. So how can you use that as a sole determinator, of whether a person was raped or not?

    That makes no sense.

    Stop disguising your sheer ignorance as boredom.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    You couldn't even remember the initial argument.

    You said "drunk sex is not rape".
    Correct, and it needn't be.

    You then went on to say that if someone gives they're consent at one point, then they cannot be raped, regardless of how drunk they are, and regardless of what happens from then onwards. Basically, you said that once a person gives their consent, you can do whatever you like with them, because once given, consent cannot be retracted.
    I did not say that .

    You specified this as "explicit consent". I told you that sex is very often not verbally consented to, so asked what you meant by "explicit consent". With you coming back with "indicators such as body language". So in other words, you concede that consent is very often not explicit. So how can you use that as a sole determinator, of whether a person was raped or not?
    Fair enough, consent is not always explicit, hence why it's better to err of the side of caution that risk imprisoning an innocent man.

    That makes no sense.
    Because you're misrepresenting my argument.

    Stop disguising your sheer ignorance as boredom.
    I'm not. Do you not find this debate pointless and boring?
    Goodbye.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Long story short at a party someone had sex with a girl who was paralytic and semi conscious. This seems like textbook rape I know but the entire situation is a bit more complex. I was talking to the girl and she seemed perfectly fine with it and even joked about how he couldn't even last a minute. This doesn't seem to fit the behaviour of someone who was raped yet the situation seems to make it rather dodgy. Should I report this or just leave it?
    People sleep around.Sometimes with the help of alcohol, sometimes without.
    It's what people do.
    She knows if she consented. He knows if he consented. It sounds like a drunken moment. It's their job to take things further if it wasn't, not yours.
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    maybe consider her indifference as a defence mechanism. it is common for people to laugh things off when they are hurt or in shock. maybe give her time, and rather than tell her whether she has or hasn't been raped, make sure she knows what constitutes as rape, then let her decide.
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    I would report it because just because that girl was okay with it doesn't mean another one will be, and, technically that WAS rape by any other standard. It might not have been in this certain situation because the girl seemed to give consent even after the situation was over, but most of the time that's not the case.
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    (Original post by HeyItsBray)
    I would report it because just because that girl was okay with it doesn't mean another one will be, and, technically that WAS rape by any other standard. It might not have been in this certain situation because the girl seemed to give consent even after the situation was over, but most of the time that's not the case.
    The girl says she consented and enjoyed herself. It wasn't rape and she clearly wasn't as drunk as the OP claims. If the guy has sex with somebody else and that person said they didn't want to, it's rape. But she did want to. I think it's likely that the OP is exaggerating how drunk she was.

    Although thinking about it, it's probably likely that the OP is a well thought out troll, as they have not replied or commented further
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    (Original post by georgiaswift)
    The girl says she consented and enjoyed herself. It wasn't rape and she clearly wasn't as drunk as the OP claims. If the guy has sex with somebody else and that person said they didn't want to, it's rape. But she did want to. I think it's likely that the OP is exaggerating how drunk she was.

    Although thinking about it, it's probably likely that the OP is a well thought out troll, as they have not replied or commented further
    By law, legally, people that are drunk/under the influence cannot consent. Legally it's rape, but, again, it depends on how she felt really I guess. I'd still report it.
 
 
 
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