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    (Original post by Personinsertname)
    I was speaking personally( in my opinion) i based most of my statements on my own understanding of science.
    Science? You worship science? I don't. Reason? Science is definitely not a magic wand. It can't explain many things below.

    http://www.trans4mind.com/counterpoi.../swanson.shtml

    http://listverse.com/2015/04/10/10-f...e-cant-explain

    http://topinfopost.com/2014/10/03/15...t-cant-explain

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    (Original post by RMNDK)
    Are you trying to argue in favour of dualism?
    What about you? Are you trying to argue in favor of what? Materialism, realism, capitalism or troll-ism?

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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    Science? You worship science? I don't. Reason? Science is definitely not a magic wand. It can't explain many things below.

    http://www.trans4mind.com/counterpoi.../swanson.shtml

    http://listverse.com/2015/04/10/10-f...e-cant-explain

    http://topinfopost.com/2014/10/03/15...t-cant-explain
    I can answer a few of those.

    Why it takes more genes to make a tomato than a human.
    - A nonsensical question. It implies humans need more genes than a tomato.

    Where all the aliens are.
    - Another nonsensical question. Considering the distances involved, that we havent found alien life yet isn't mysterious at all.

    I'm not even going to get into the trans4mind.com website.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    You're assuming something "moves" or the functions or orchestrates it, but that isn't what happens. The brain changes itself at a local level by the modification of connections between neurons. While the mechanisms are complicated, essentially what happens is the brain utilizes the resources it has, and if it is still receiving a particular stimulus, then other areas will deal with that input because the other area doesnt exist anymore. It is a well understood chemical process.




    How so? The only really defining feature of the driver is the ability to be aware of some of the brains functions, and affect the brains function. We know that the brain changes based on it's awareness of itself, and we know that the brain is not changed by an unaccountable Driver, so the driver must be inside the brain.

    Part of the problem is however, if we remove the brain, we have no way of interacting with any potential external driver.
    Okay, are you sure brain cells cause person or the self ?

    Now consider how most of us perceive the aging of our body with respect to our identity. Most of us try to deny the age of our body in one respect or another. Teenagers want to be older and more mature, while older adults want to be younger and more youthful. Most adults refuse to accept getting old. As any birthday party will illustrate, adults are surprised at the body’s age as it gets older. We try to disconnect ourselves from the physical age of our body somehow. This denial is often joked about, but to most of us—as we are faced with an ever-wrinkling body—it is no laughing matter. We are often embarrassed by our body’s age as we get older. For this reason, many older adults do not want to state their age. They are embarrassed by it. They want to distance themselves from it. Furthermore, many of us dress the body with make-up, hair dyes and/or trendy clothes in an attempt to hide the body’s age.

    For this same reason, many in our society undergo various forms of surgery in order to achieve a younger looking body. In these cases, the self is in conflict with the images left by the body. Plastic surgery, hair-removal, hair transplantation, breast enhancement, and various other medical interventions are all extraordinary attempts to reconcile our identity with the temporary physical body. These are all examples of how the self feels incompatible with the physical body.

    You think brain cells really cause the self or person?
    Then why they create the self or the person that conflicts with the physical body? Why there are conflicts between the physical body and the self ? Can you explain that?

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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    You think brain cells really cause the self or person?
    Then why they create the self or the person that conflicts with the physical body? Why there are conflicts between the physical body and the self ? Can you explain that?
    The self being part of the brain would not make the brain and body completely in sync. They both have differing processes which allow them to develop over time, and there is even a part of the brain that deals with our self-image. So there isn't actually a conflict here, especially for something concerning what we desire our bodies to be like.

    Even if you consider that the "self" or the "experiencer" is not part of the brain, our personalities, memories, and psychological conditions most certainly are. For example, we could swap "selves" continuously everyday and would be unaware, simply because everything we actually experience (including thoughts) will come the brain that "self" inhabits.
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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    You think brain cells really cause the self or person?
    Then why they create the self or the person that conflicts with the physical body? Why there are conflicts between the physical body and the self ? Can you explain that?

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    Curious, have you ever considered that the human body just isn't perfect (though it'll change between people considering that there's variation amongst our species.)?
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    The self being part of the brain would not make the brain and body completely in sync. They both have differing processes which allow them to develop over time, and there is even a part of the brain that deals with our self-image. So there isn't actually a conflict here, especially for something concerning what we desire our bodies to be like.

    Even if you consider that the "self" or the "experiencer" is not part of the brain, our personalities, memories, and psychological conditions most certainly are. For example, we could swap "selves" continuously everyday and would be unaware, simply because everything we actually experience (including thoughts) will come the brain that "self" inhabits.
    Please read this...

    http://io9.com/how-do-identical-twin...ties-497857032

    Now...those mice are identical twins. They're supposed to have the same...something called the self. But why some mice are willing to examine their surroundings in the first place...while some are not? Do you know why?

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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Curious, have you ever considered that the human body just isn't perfect (though it'll change between people considering that there's variation amongst our species.)?
    Please read this...

    http://io9.com/how-do-identical-twin...ties-497857032

    Now...those mice are identical twins. They're supposed to have the same...something called the self. But why some mice are willing to examine their surroundings in the first place...while some are not? Do you know why?

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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    Please read this...

    http://io9.com/how-do-identical-twin...ties-497857032

    Now...those mice are identical twins. They're supposed to have the same...something called the self. But why some mice are willing to examine their surroundings in the first place...while some are not? Do you know why?

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    They wouldnt have the same "self", just the same genetic make up. There are thousands of factors that affect us beyond genetics.

    The answer is actually in the article:

    "The mice's experiences, or interactions with their environment, affected their long-term behavioral patterns and the growth of new neurons, promoting the development of distinct personalities despite their genetically identical makeup."
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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    What about you? Are you trying to argue in favor of what? Materialism, realism, capitalism or troll-ism?

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    I haven't argued anything at all. I was simply asking a question to clarify whether that's what your post is about, or whether I've misunderstood the concept. That's all.
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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    Please read this...

    http://io9.com/how-do-identical-twin...ties-497857032

    Now...those mice are identical twins. They're supposed to have the same...something called the self. But why some mice are willing to examine their surroundings in the first place...while some are not? Do you know why?

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    Perhaps different stimuli and epigenetics?

    (Epigenetics, the study of gene expression; the extent to which a gene is "on" or "off", influenced by environmental factors.)
    (Then there's something akin to socialisation in humans, I suppose. Different stimuli and what not.)
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    They wouldnt have the same "self", just the same genetic make up. There are thousands of factors that affect us beyond genetics.

    The answer is actually in the article:

    "The mice's experiences, or interactions with their environment, affected their long-term behavioral patterns and the growth of new neurons, promoting the development of distinct personalities despite their genetically identical makeup."
    They lived in the exact same arena,dude. In this case the environment is obviously out of the question.

    No. The answer is not in the article. That's why there is the question...

    " but what made those mice( some mice ) willing to examine their surroundings in the first place? " ...in the article.

    I got brainwashed by those narrow-minded materialists. But now I'm free. Lol.

    Thanks for your views, dude.

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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Perhaps different stimuli and epigenetics?

    (Epigenetics, the study of gene expression; the extent to which a gene is "on" or "off", influenced by environmental factors.)
    (Then there's something akin to socialisation in humans, I suppose. Different stimuli and what not.)
    They lived in the exact same arena,dude. In this case the environment is obviously out of the question. Thanks for sharing your views, dude.

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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    They lived in the exact same arena,dude. In this case the environment is obviously out of the question. Thanks for sharing your views, dude.

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    I doubt that's necessarily the case.
    There would be variation in the womb.
    And they would be subjected to different stimuli whilst growing up.
    Even if it may seem minute.
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    (Original post by xGCSE_Studentx)
    have you ever wondered who am i, like deeply who the **** am i and what am i doing in life , it scares the **** out of me thinking like that
    All the time
 
 
 
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