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    (Original post by emily Z)
    There is nothing tricky here, there are good explanations you can find if you search.

    There wasn't only one time Islam was dominant, there was intially with the collapse of the persian and byzantine empire, there was the golden age (andalus /spain) and there were the ottamans.
    Not really, there are plenty of issues for which there is no satisfactory answer. Perhaps you'd like to explain why kaffir countries seem to be so successful while muslim ones are mostly dumps?

    The Ottomans were not more advanced than the western world, their empire wasn't even the biggest or richest at the time.

    And the muslims in Spain were finally defeated by the Christians. Why did Allah allow the kuffar to beat them?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Not really, there are plenty of issues for which there is no satisfactory answer. Perhaps you'd like to explain why kaffir countries seem to be so successful while muslim ones are mostly dumps?

    The Ottomans were not more advanced than the western world, their empire wasn't even the biggest or richest at the time.

    And the muslims in Spain were finally defeated by the Christians. Why did Allah allow the kuffar to beat them?
    It is pretty obvious no?
    When the Muslim's begin preferring the allures of this life and turn their back on the next life, Allah doesn't give them dominance.
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    (Original post by emily Z)
    It is pretty obvious no?
    When the Muslim's begin preferring the allures of this life and turn their back on the next life, Allah doesn't give them dominance.
    Not a satisfactory reply because by the same logic non-muslims reject Allah and love this life and yet their countries are doing much better. It doesn't compute.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Not a satisfactory reply because by the same logic non-muslims reject Allah and love this life and yet their countries are doing much better. It doesn't compute.
    Non-muslims do not believe in Islam, they are not tested/treated according to their belief in Islam
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    Honestly, tell them normally. Sit them down, explain your decision and explain how you hope they can understand your decision.

    Make sure you've got somewhere to stay in-case things aren't civil when they find out and if things get really bad call Childline or even the police if you need to.
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    (Original post by Salx.x)
    I come from a fairly liberal Muslim family in London. I don't wear Hijab and I don't pray. My family aren't bad people, but they really do have high expectations for me. My mum says everyday that she knows I'll be great and that she prays everyday that I'll be successful. My siblings are more the issue though, they also have high expectations and have recently become more practising. I know I should wait till I'm old enough to move out (I'm still in school), but it's been a few weeks since I've come to realise of my atheism and I'm already going crazy. I have studied Islam in depth and there's many things I believe are wrong and disagree with. I'm going to ask you not to post any Qur'an verses, even though I know someone will. What can I do to prepare myself to tell them I'm atheist? And how should I tell them? I can already see what my life is going to be if I don't leave Islam soon. I'll only carry on living my miserable life, doing things I don't believe and passing those beliefs to my children who'll have to live the miserable life I did. I respect Islam and Muslims, but I really do have strong views about things on the dark side of religion that everyone seems to overlook. I got into a really heated argument once with a friend who said that being gay is a choice because it says that nobody is born gay in the Quran. I have my own morals and I don't need religion to keep me in place.
    Has anyone else ever left Islam, and if so how did your family react?
    Hey, I'm an ex-muslim, now atheist.

    I came out to my mum earlier this year and it was really shocking for her. I was planning on telling her when I become financially independent but I just couldn't wait, pretending to be muslim was so emotionally draining. I thought she would be really angry and kick me out but she didn't, however we had our ups and downs but we've come to an agreement that satisfies the both of us.

    I can't tell you if you should come out or not, only you can make that decision. If pretending to be muslim is really having a severe impact on you then I would consider telling your family, unfortunately they could react really negatively and may even kick you out(fingers crossed they won't)...

    If pretending to be muslim isn't really impacting you and you can wait till you become financially independent then do so. (:

    But if you decide to come out I would plan out what I would do in the worst case scenario. This is not to put you off coming out but to make sure that you are prepared, it's a permanent decision.

    I really wish you all the best, you can talk to me anytime. :hugs:
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    (Original post by Salx.x)
    I come from a fairly liberal Muslim family in London. I don't wear Hijab and I don't pray. My family aren't bad people, but they really do have high expectations for me. My mum says everyday that she knows I'll be great and that she prays everyday that I'll be successful. My siblings are more the issue though, they also have high expectations and have recently become more practising. I know I should wait till I'm old enough to move out (I'm still in school), but it's been a few weeks since I've come to realise of my atheism and I'm already going crazy. I have studied Islam in depth and there's many things I believe are wrong and disagree with. I'm going to ask you not to post any Qur'an verses, even though I know someone will. What can I do to prepare myself to tell them I'm atheist? And how should I tell them? I can already see what my life is going to be if I don't leave Islam soon. I'll only carry on living my miserable life, doing things I don't believe and passing those beliefs to my children who'll have to live the miserable life I did. I respect Islam and Muslims, but I really do have strong views about things on the dark side of religion that everyone seems to overlook. I got into a really heated argument once with a friend who said that being gay is a choice because it says that nobody is born gay in the Quran. I have my own morals and I don't need religion to keep me in place.
    Has anyone else ever left Islam, and if so how did your family react?
    SOOoo i hope you don't mind me asking.. if you don't believe some of the stuff in islam what do you believe in? That we evolved from apes? The big bang theory? Its okay to marry the same sex?
    Also do you think this is peer pressure. Would you say the media has a big influence in your decision?
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    What exactly is the 'dark side of Islam'
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    I am in the same situation and I understand, for now just finish up your education and have some financial support. When worst comes to worst you can move out with a back up. That's what I am planning to do.
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    (Original post by emily Z)
    Non-muslims do not believe in Islam, they are not tested/treated according to their belief in Islam
    That is demonstrably false. Islamic doctrine dictates that we will all be judged on the Last Day according to Allah's Islamic requirements and criteria.
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    (Original post by ssdizzy12)
    SOOoo i hope you don't mind me asking.. if you don't believe some of the stuff in islam what do you believe in? That we evolved from apes? The big bang theory? Its okay to marry the same sex?
    Also do you think this is peer pressure. Would you say the media has a big influence in your decision?
    We didn't evolve from apes, we share a common ancestor with them. But this and the Big Bang are supported by tonnes of evidence, Islam isn't.
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    Worst decision to ever make.
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    (Original post by honeylooloo)
    what has made you think this? don't nod yourself with everything society says and go along with it. Society is ever-changing and the things you agree with now, in maybe 50 years time you'll look back and think 'wth'.
    Has it not occurred to you that she may have abandoned Islam due to the nonsensical scriptures themselves rather than because of what "society says"?

    Think deep and hard about everything you question and understand the foundations to why it has been placed within your faith. You're still very young and alot of things can only TRULY be understood through life experiences.
    Indeed, including the experience that Islam is definitely false, which she has arrived at.

    Ask your siblings why they are so passionate and why they believe what they do. Try to be open minded and atleast look at why things are a certain way. Also don't focus on the 'negative' of your faith, look into the positive aswell.
    The irony of telling someone to be open minded when it is religious people who are far more likely to not even consider the possible truth of any other belief system.

    Open mindedness also extends to critically analysing your religion and possibly coming to the conclusion that it's all a load of hogwash.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Curious, isn't it, that "kaffir" countries are on the whole so much more developed and have a higher quality of life than the countries where God's supposedly chosen people
    Hello Plantagenet. Hope you're well.

    How did this life you speak off, evolve?
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    So many ex muslims on this forum :eek3:
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    (Original post by Highlander03)
    Hello Plantagenet. Hope you're well.

    How did this life you speak off, evolve?
    Through the process of evolution, in simplistic terms, by adapting to conditions in the environment to increase their chances of survival.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Through the process of evolution, in simplistic terms, by adapting to conditions in th environment to increase their chances of survival.
    Is this adaptation akin to exploitation, subjugation, genocide and perpetual warfare?
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    (Original post by Highlander03)
    Is this adaptation akin to exploitation, subjugation, genocide and perpetual warfare?
    :lolwut:
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    That is demonstrably false. Islamic doctrine dictates that we will all be judged on the Last Day according to Allah's Islamic requirements and criteria.
    Yes we will all be judged on the last day BUT
    the non-muslims work for this life and so are rewarded with this life, but the muslims work for the next life and are rewarded with that.
    So when it comes to the Day of Judgement, the non-muslims(some exceptions) will be the losers, since their dues were paid in this life, but they gained nothing for the hereafter.
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    (Original post by emily Z)
    Yes we will all be judged on the last day BUT
    the non-muslims work for this life and so are rewarded with this life, but the muslims work for the next life and are rewarded with that.
    So when it comes to the Day of Judgement, the non-muslims(some exceptions) will be the losers, since their dues were paid in this life, but they gained nothing for the hereafter.
    Nonsense. This is just wriggling and squirming to get out of giving a satisfactory reply. There are plenty of muslims who are just as fortunate in "this life" as anyone else, so the notion that believers have hard lives on earth and great ones in heaven simply doesn't follow.

    And this of course is ignoring the fact that neither Judgement Day nor hell exist.
 
 
 
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