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    (Original post by llys)
    I agree, but you could learn all that in History or Geography as well.
    Yes, except when you learn that in a history course, it's when you're doing the philosophy module :yy:
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    I don't study any of the real humanities but I'll say business/economics since its rather important for functions of the society.
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    Definitely Geography
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    Yes, except when you learn that in a history course, it's when you're doing the philosophy module :yy:
    I see what you did there. I don't agree with you though. I guess it comes down to the difference between skill and content. I think Philosophy develops many important skills. Because of their importance, these skills have been integrated into all other subjects. Therefore, you can now learn them as part of any other subject. Usually the module is called something like "Research Methods".

    But the skills have been divorced of original Philosophy content. You don't learn about existentialism, nihilism or metaphysics in Research Methods because that's not considered the important bit.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    It is funny that so many STEM snobs don't even know the difference between a social science and the humanities. Not so clever after all?
    Coming over as offensive towards one group of people for merely not being aware of something gives negative idea about you rather than about those you are trying to offend. Could you please try to treat everyone with moderate respect?

    Did the STEM folks do something else to you besides being ignorant regarding this issue?
    And, could you please enlighten me, ignorant, not so clever highschooler in this issue? What is the difference between social science and humanities? What is social science anyway? How they do make repeatable experiments?
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    (Original post by Emilia1320)
    Coming over as offensive towards one group of people for merely not being aware of something gives negative idea about you rather than about those you are trying to offend. Could you please try to treat everyone with moderate respect?

    Did the STEM folks do something else to you besides being ignorant regarding this issue?
    And, could you please enlighten me, ignorant, not so clever highschooler in this issue? What is the difference between social science and humanities? What is social science anyway? How they do make repeatable experiments?
    I have not been offensive. I said it was funny because TSR is full of people who routinely call non-STEM students stupid and ridicule their choice of degree. This is not some obscure fact - knowing that economics and English are in different academic disciplines is pretty basic stuff.

    As for the difference between the two, surely the clue is in the name? The social sciences use quantitative research methods (for example, a sociologist regularly uses statistics) - the humanities do not. There are of course other differences but I can't be bothered to write a long post. Google it if you're interested.
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    (Original post by llys)
    :lol: Sorry, I just phrased it badly. To me the most important aspect of Philosophy is the ability to argue well. Which is definitely one of the most important skills, but it is also a skill that could be taught in any other subject. Of course Philosophy has many other aspects to it, but those to me are not "most important".
    That's not what philosophy is about. An ability to understand and construct arguments is paramount to philosophy, but that's not what philosophy does - that's not the philosophy of philosophy (metaphilosophy).
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    (Original post by llys)
    I think Philosophy develops many important skills. Because of their importance, these skills have been integrated into all other subjects. Therefore, you can now learn them as part of any other subject. Usually the module is called something like "Research Methods".

    But the skills have been divorced of original Philosophy content. You don't learn about existentialism, nihilism or metaphysics in Research Methods because that's not considered the important bit.
    This misunderstands philosophy entirely. You might learn about the things in "research methods" in e.g. History, but that's because History has taken that particular part of philosophy as important or necessary to its work. Philosophy isn't about skills, such skills are merely necessary to do philosophy. You're massively conflated the ability to do philosophy as just being metaphilosophy; which would be the same as claiming that the purpose of archaeology just is learning how to dig things up.

    When you learn about the philosophy of history, you're learning philosophy, not history. In no way is it 'divorced of content.'
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    what do you mean by important? this could be interpreted so many different ways...
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    (Original post by nverjvlev)
    what do you mean by important? this could be interpreted so many different ways...
    How do *you* interpret it?

    Philosophically.
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    (Original post by NYU2012)
    This misunderstands philosophy entirely. You might learn about the things in "research methods" in e.g. History, but that's because History has taken that particular part of philosophy as important or necessary to its work.
    Exactly what I am saying.

    (Original post by NYU2012)
    That's not what philosophy is about. An ability to understand and construct arguments is paramount to philosophy, but that's not what philosophy does - that's not the philosophy of philosophy (metaphilosophy).
    That's fine. I was just saying that to me that is the most important aspect of philosophy. All the rest of it - I don't think it's that important. Fun, sure, and interesting until the novelty wears off, but "important" - not IMO.

    Philosophy isn't about skills, such skills are merely necessary to do philosophy. You're massively conflated the ability to do philosophy as just being metaphilosophy; which would be the same as claiming that the purpose of archaeology just is learning how to dig things up.
    That's fine, no problem. Basically, I think that most of the things that Philosophy "is about" are not really important, therefore it is not the most important subject, that's it.
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    Quite obviously, philosophy, practically by definition.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    How do *you* interpret it?

    Philosophically.
    I would assume that the poster meant which is most important to society, in which case I would say art is. I know that many people don't consider it to be an intellectual or academic subject but in my opinion, that comes from a place of ignorance. For me, art teaches you to develop, explore and present your interpretation of the world, to form opinions and express them in a unique way. Through this we understand society and ourselves infinitely more. So often, the world tries to prescribe opinions, we find ourselves becoming defined by the majority rather than our individuality and I think that that is very dangerous.

    I think art is also an important platform for effecting change in politics, social justice, music and more. To utilise this platform, people need to understand it.

    Obviously I think that history, english and philosophy are all important but as an art student I'm probably biased
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    (Original post by llys)
    Exactly what I am saying.






    That's fine, no problem. Then basically, I think that most of the things that Philosophy "is about" are not really important, therefore it is not the most important subject, that's it.
    Which things would they be then?
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    (Original post by llys)
    Exactly what I am saying.






    That's fine, no problem. Then basically, I think that most of the things that Philosophy "is about" are not really important, therefore it is not the most important subject, that's it.
    Hmm, what do you think philosophy is about? :beard:
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    (Original post by Quantex)
    Amazed that no one has mentioned philosophy yet. It's the umbrella subject that has its fingers in every pie including STEM subjects.
    Totally agree. I'm applying for literature and languages, but hands down philosophy.
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Quite obviously, philosophy, practically by definition.
    that's not really an adequate explanation but I'm intrigued as to why you think philosophy is the most important? could you expand on that...
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    Which things would they be then?
    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    Hmm, what do you think philosophy is about? :beard:
    I was just told (and am unconcerned to be told so) that I don't know what philosophy "is about" - that's why I put it in quotation marks.
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    (Original post by llys)
    I was just told (and am unconcerned to be told so) that I don't know what philosophy "is about" - that's why I put it in quotation marks.
    If you're so unconcerned why don't you elaborate on what you think it is about then?
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    (Original post by nverjvlev)
    that's not really an adequate explanation but I'm intrigued as to why you think philosophy is the most important? could you expand on that...
    Because by definition, without philosophy all of the other subjects would make no sense and getting any sort of utility from them would be just impossible. Besides the subjects themselves only came about because philosophy in that area, preceded it. Philosophy was necessary to allow for psychology to exist. For biology to exist. For natural physics to exist. For everything. Philosophy concerns itself with logic which in turn is the basis of how in every single other discipline decides which claims it makes are true and which are false!

    Philosophy teaches us how we ought to live our lives and behave through ethics, which again affects every single other discipline. It teaches us what is real and how we gain knowledge and what knowledge is. Which again affect how every other single discipline operates.

    It's just massively all-encompassing and every other discipline hinges on it. But that's the point. That's what the term "philosophy" means as far as a subject is concerned. It is everything that we can know.

    Ever studied any philosophy of art? Pretty sure a lot of it is fundamental to anyone who tries to make sense of any academic study of art. I mean, first thing first, before you do art, you must have a single, objective definition of art, no? You're already doing philosophy before you start!
 
 
 
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