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    (Original post by Drewski)
    If you honestly believe that no left leaning leader in history has ever started a fight, then fine.

    You're wrong. But fine.

    Just don't go preaching that you're better than others. You're just as argumentative as those people on the right you enjoy belittling so often.
    The left wing make love not war hippy types that cam out of america in opposition to the Vietnam war are a type of left wing that does not represent every single left wing faction in history. Worlds apart from say a Bolshevik. Also politics comes out of human nature. You can't separate the two.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    You made that up too. Nowhere did I say anything about left wing leaders. :lolwut: What is it with you right-wing nuts and trying to provoke arguments? Why don't you just go watch some porn or something? Geez.
    What is it about you that assumes everyone who disagrees has to be on the right? Why is there not a bit of you that wonders if you're wrong? See. That's the arrogance.

    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The left wing make love not war hippy types that cam out of america in opposition to the Vietnam war are a type of left wing that does not represent every single left wing faction in history. Worlds apart from say a Bolshevik. Also politics comes out of human nature. You can't separate the two.
    But human nature comes first.
    And that's my point. Left and right both cause conflict. Pretending that one doesn't just for the sake of an argument like the other poster did is just childish.
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    I'll probably wear one on the 11th. I think I've got one in the car that I donated some money for last week.

    Tbh, all this "poppy fascism" you see these days makes me rather uncomfortable about it all. I'm ex army, I couldn't care if people wanted to wear a poppy or not, it should be a personal choice, not something forced upon people. The amount of bile directed at people because they don't wear one for whatever reason is ridiculous, it's even evident in this thread with people being told they don't belong in their home country because they choose not to wear a poppy. The people who we're supposed to be remembering at this time of year fought so that people in this country have the freedom of choice.
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    Yes, I bought a pin last year as the paper ones always fell off but I donate to the first poppy seller I see everyday I have spare change on me (which usually is 0 but I carry more around this time of year to do exactly that).

    Plus it's not JUST about remembering the people (for you people who don't wear one they gave you the ability to wear what you want) but also donating a small amount to a charity that helps people who can be severely disfigured mentally and physically to get back on track with their lives.

    The Poppy gives me a sense of pride to show I care about the fallen servicemen and women. Those of you who want to "respect them in my own way" great, why not buy a poppy to show you're proud to remember them? It costs less than what you'd spend on something far more ludicrous and materialistic.

    And to the person who says why not donate to Amnesty International? Go ahead if you want to. If they were out on the streets spreading their stories, engaging with the community I'd probably become more involved and more ready to donate to them. But their public image seems very small to me, makes me wonder whether they're doing as much good as they claim to be.
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    I wear a white poppy. They symbolise peace. I recognise the sacrifice of soldiers who died in wars, and those who didn't. However I don't support war or military action because it causes senseless killing.

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    Yep

    In my family, we always wear it because we believe that it is a token of respect for people who made a significant contribution in making Britain what it is today
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    (Original post by okey)
    if i dont wear one everyone calls me a terrorist so
    You really shouldn't really care about what other's think, if you wear it there should be a meaningful purpose rather than I'm wearing one because I don't want to be branded a terrorist
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    I will be, yes, and will wear one every year until 2045.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    But human nature comes first.
    And that's my point. Left and right both cause conflict. Pretending that one doesn't just for the sake of an argument like the other poster did is just childish.
    I agree with you.

    But there are political philosophies within left and right that are less prone to war/conflict, or are outright pacifist I guess is what I am saying. Rock Climber appears to belong to one of them.

    Off the top of my head you got the left wing stop the war coalition types, hippy make love not war, right wing libertarianism like Ron Paul and the isolationist right wing nationalism which UKIP seem to favor, although Douglas Carswell confuses me.
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    No.

    Until the ethnic minorities that helped fight for this country are remembered too and talked about in schools, I couldn't care less.
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    (Original post by moonkatt)

    Tbh, all this "poppy fascism" you see these days makes me rather uncomfortable about it all. I'm ex army, I couldn't care if people wanted to wear a poppy or not, it should be a personal choice, not something forced upon people. The amount of bile directed at people because they don't wear one for whatever reason is ridiculous, it's even evident in this thread with people being told they don't belong in their home country because they choose not to wear a poppy. The people who we're supposed to be remembering at this time of year fought so that people in this country have the freedom of choice.
    This

    The attacks on people who have chosen not to wear a poppy are the reason I have decided not to wear one this year. Especially when some of the attacks come from people who promote pointless wars and killing. Some of the "commemorations " of WW1 and Dday this year have made me deeply uncomfortable about the "never again" message behind remembrance being overwritten with jingoism and glorification of war.

    https://twitter.com/ingyjackson/stat...66391029620736 For example is completely inappropriate use of the poppy symbol. Completely undermines the central feeling behind armistice and remembrance.
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    (Original post by Novascope)
    No.

    Until the ethnic minorities that helped fight for this country are remembered too and talked about in schools, I couldn't care less.
    Can I ask what you mean by this?

    The Gurkhas were extremely prominent in last night's Festival of Remembrance.
    The Kenyan contingent at the parade today were singled out for attention.
    The entire Indian subcontinent and their 2.5 million volunteers are well known about.

    There are numerous monuments dedicated to them, as well as the wide memorials designed to commemorate all victims.

    I'm not sure what else you think should be done?
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    I think it's more important that people go to remembrance services and donate their time rather than donate 10p they probably they just found in their bum cracks / under the sofa
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    (Original post by Prince_fancybum)
    I think it's more important that people go to remembrance services and donate their time rather than donate 10p they probably they just found in their bum cracks / under the sofa
    Why? Surely the money is going to be more helpful then standing around with your head bowed.
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    I'm quite shocked that the "price" of a poppy is listed in this thread at 10-20p.

    In the 80s the recommended donation was 50p. Should be at least £1 to cover costs and still have some funds left over nowadays.
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    I don't think I'll wear one because I always forget to bring some change to buy one which is really stupid.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Can I ask what you mean by this?

    The Gurkhas were extremely prominent in last night's Festival of Remembrance.
    The Kenyan contingent at the parade today were singled out for attention.
    The entire Indian subcontinent and their 2.5 million volunteers are well known about.

    There are numerous monuments dedicated to them, as well as the wide memorials designed to commemorate all victims.

    I'm not sure what else you think should be done?
    But this is all new. Where was all this recognition years ago? There are still many people who are unaware of the extra help this country had in the war. Like I said, until it's mentioned more in schools and stuff to make people aware then I'll probably wear one. No need to get snappy with me, all I said was I'd like to see a bit more recognition. But hey clearly that's only being done now.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    I'm quite shocked that the "price" of a poppy is listed in this thread at 10-20p.

    In the 80s the recommended donation was 50p. Should be at least £1 to cover costs and still have some funds left over nowadays.
    I thought that too, when I used to wear them I always used to give a quid. 10p sounds like a pointless donation.
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    (Original post by Novascope)
    But this is all new. Where was all this recognition years ago? There are still many people who are unaware of the extra help this country had in the war. Like I said, until it's mentioned more in schools and stuff to make people aware then I'll probably wear one. No need to get snappy with me, all I said was I'd like to see a bit more recognition. But hey clearly that's only being done now.
    Learned about it in school in the 90s and my parents, aunts and uncles learned about it in the 1950s, 60s and 70s. I'm not really sure where you're getting your information from.
 
 
 
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