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    (Original post by Faisalshamallakh)
    Muslims? Likely

    Representative of Islam? Definitely not (considering all the things they do that are forbidden in Islam)
    I'm still yet to see this non-violence principal in the Koran or Hadiths.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    So the answer to the question

    Are ISIS militants MUSLIMS?

    is Yes and did you vote Yes?
    I didn't but I can't change it now. I agree with the third option that yes they are Muslims because they claim to be but their actions don't reflect that
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    (Original post by Faisalshamallakh)
    You won't believe fellow Muslims in your country that distance themselves from ISIS, but you'll believe ISIS when they try and associate themselves with Islam.

    Logic.
    Do I believe the person we are talking about, a ISIS member when asked the question: Are ISIS Muslims?

    Or you?

    I've been posted a document created by Load of Imams that also disagrees with you (see option number 9)

    Sorry to say I simply don't believe you.
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    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Yes in the same way the KKK say they are Christian.
    Completely different situation. The question you should be asking is: Does interpretation of the Bible, especially the New Testament, give rise to the racial hatred displayed by the KKK? The answer is obviously no. There is no provisions within Christianity that are in line with extremely right wing ideologies it's quite the opposite tbh.

    I don't know much about Islam but my understanding is that these terrorist groups around the world have interpreted Islamic source material more rigidly and literally than Muslims in the West. This isn't the first time this has happened, this process has been mirrored in Islamic Spain
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    (Original post by YA98)
    I didn't but I can't change it now. I agree with the third option that yes they are Muslims because they claim to be but their actions don't reflect that
    Thank you that was all the question was asking as far as I can see, but you do to tell @Faisalshamallakh as they are doing a number 9 now
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    (Original post by Kurtle)
    I'm still yet to see this non-violence principal in the Koran or Hadiths.
    As a Muslim I agree that there some are verses in the Quran that relate to physical fighting, however when taken out of context, you'll end up with radical Islamists such as ISIS. Which is exactly why Muslims are distancing themselves. If ISIS' version of Islam was correct, you'd have 1.6 billion people walking around in suicide vests.

    Let's be realistic.
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    The person to judge is God/ Allah on judgement day. If they claim to be a Muslim and follow Islamic principles and ideology, then until they die and get judged then we should see them as Muslims.

    Not burying a Catholic with Catholic rituals because he was a shop worker who did Sunday shifts is no different to not burying a Catholic with Catholic rituals because he was a murderer. They are both great sins. Lets see some perspective to this. Do not kill is less important than honouring your parents or keeping Sunday's a holy day. The latter two appear before the commandment of "Do not kill", therefore deliberately giving the impression that those two are more important than not killing. It's the same for Muslims. But would you really not bury a catholic worker who did the Sunday shift in accordance to his religion? No, of course not, the same applies to a murderer. You would bury both with accordance to Catholic values, because even though they sinned greatly, they are Catholics.

    The exact same applies to Muslims.
    You're right, God would be the one to judge, but are the Quran/Bible not what defines a Christian or a Muslim? If one goes against it to such an extent, is he still classed as a believer? That said - the ordering of commandments is a great point you've made, to which I tip my hat and say I genuinely don't have a response to.

    Logically, yes your response makes more sense. Call me stubborn, but we've covered that my hatred for them is far too much to class them as anything other than terrorists.
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    (Original post by Fiduciam)
    You're right, God would be the one to judge, but are the Quran/Bible not what defines a Christian or a Muslim? If one goes against it to such an extent, is he still classed as a believer? That said - the ordering of commandments is a great point you've made, to which I tip my hat and say I genuinely don't have a response to.

    Logically, yes your response makes more sense. Call me stubborn, but we've covered that my hatred for them is far too much to class them as anything other than terrorists.
    It depends how you interpret the Qur'an and bible, and which holy men you listen to. Again going back to the Crusade analogy, contemporary theologians of the period justified the expeditions and occupation/ liberation (depending on who you ask) with theological arguments, directly quoted from the old testament, and mostly taken out of context. Which is exactly what ISIS do. But does that mean they are automatically not Christians because they've interpreted the old and new testament ambiguously? No, of course not. They perceived themselves to be doing God's work, and referenced/ interpreted theological text for spiritual justification. ISIS are no different.

    Historians 1000 years from now will see ISIS and their relationship with Islam the same way in which modern historians, like Tyerman, Riley Smith, Asbridge, Barber et al (prominent Crusader historians) see the Crusades and its relationship with Christianity. They will see ISIS as being made up by Muslim fanatics, hell bent on imposing their interpretation of Islam, which comes directly from Islamic rituals and theological texts .

    Does that mean they are true or representative? Nobody knows (I don't think they do though, lets be clear), other than Allah/ God. But until they have been judged, we should perceive them to be Muslims, because they follow Islamic theological texts/ laws, regardless of what we think about their interpretation of it. For all we know, they could be following the "correct" version, and the other 1.5 billion have got it wrong. We won't know until after death.
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    It depends how you interpret the Qur'an and bible, and which holy men you listen to. Again going back to the Crusade analogy, contemporary theologians of the period justified the expeditions and occupation/ liberation (depending on who you ask) with theological arguments, directly quoted from the old testament, and mostly taken out of context. Which is exactly what ISIS do. But does that mean they are automatically not Christians because they've interpreted the old and new testament ambiguously? No, of course not. They perceived themselves to be doing God's work, and referenced/ interpreted theological text for spiritual justification. ISIS are no different.

    Historians 1000 years from now will see ISIS and their relationship with Islam the same way in which modern historians, like Tyerman, Riley Smith, Asbridge, Barber et al (prominent Crusader historians) see the Crusades and its relationship with Christianity. They will see ISIS as being made up by Muslim fanatics, hell bent on imposing their interpretation of Islam, which comes directly from Islamic rituals and theological texts .

    Does that mean they are true or representative? Nobody knows (I don't think they do though, lets be clear), other than Allah/ God. But until they have been judged, we should perceive them to be Muslims, because they follow Islamic theological texts/ laws, regardless of what we think about their interpretation of it. For all we know, they could be following the "correct" version, and the other 1.5 billion have got it wrong. We won't know until after death.
    Great response. Interesting point with regards to how they'll be perceived in 1000 years from now, probably are right. Unless ofc there are people like me and the 23 odd other people here still going on lol. For sure the general consensus from an Islamic PoV, even in 1000 years I'd imagine, would be to push them as far away as possible - so not to tarnish the image of Islam, but I completely see your view. That said, this was fairly interesting. Kudos
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    (Original post by alishba-rosex)
    I'm a Muslim teen girl, I'm not highly religious but the first of many things mentioned in the Quran is never to kill or hurt anyone - Isis go against this, I don't even know what 'religion' they claim 2 be following - they're non Muslims (kafirs) immediately because they've gone against God& peace and in any religion, it's always mentioned that you should never kill.
    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

    Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

    Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
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    (Original post by alishba-rosex)
    It's a just a name Isis use to defame a group of certain people or a religion, in this case Islam. They think they're on a battle to protect everyone, and it really upsets me how people think all Muslims are bad. I understand your point, but I have so much to say on this topic. For me, Isis are basically just horrible people
    They're muslims, do you think muslims are incapable of doing evil things or something?
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    Lol I doubt every member is a muslim, but It would be reasonable to say that there are a fair number of muslims in Isis, and to any person denying that, you're stupid, it is like Christians denying that Hitler was a Christian.

    People are now saying people in ISIS and terrorists are not muslims, because it doesn't portray the peaceful image that they want their religion to portray. At the end of the day, no matter how peaceful your religion aims to be, there will always be bad people from all different faiths and all different ethnicities..
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    They're not Muslims. If they have no respect whatsoever about Islam and its beliefs and go against just about every teaching then why should they be considered Muslims? Also, they probably don't truly believe in God if they can oppose everything taught in Islam. They only claim they believe in God or that they are Muslims as an excuse to kill which is unacceptable.
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    Daesh are taqfiri
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    (Original post by Fiduciam)
    Great response. Interesting point with regards to how they'll be perceived in 1000 years from now, probably are right. Unless ofc there are people like me and the 23 odd other people here still going on lol. For sure the general consensus from an Islamic PoV, even in 1000 years I'd imagine, would be to push them as far away as possible - so not to tarnish the image of Islam, but I completely see your view. That said, this was fairly interesting. Kudos
    Don't worry, the debate will still be had in 1000 years time, just like how we debate about the Crusades, but we will just have more sources and interpretations to work from. There will however be a broad consensus, like the one I am trying to suggest - like the Crusaders were Christians, ISIS are Muslims. (In case you haven't guessed, I'm actually historian studying post grad at uni, specialising in early medieval military which involves a lot of discussion/ research about Crusades) Modern day Crusader historians don't make political or theological opinions, like how a political academic would. They find reasons and causations through investigation, not because of wishing to fix something to an idea they agree with, but due to overwhelming evidence that points to a certain point. Historians don't set out to tarnish the name of Christianity, and they haven't through their research of the Crusades undermined Christianity. You must remember that a lot of western historians, particularly the older generation are themselves Christians. Likewise with ISIS, historians wont have a political point to make, they will just point out that they are Muslims, and use various evidence to support that case. I'm not condemning Islam by pointing out that ISIS are made up of Muslims, it's an observation not an accusation.

    Just like how I would admit and observe an atheist committing genocide in the name of atheism, is still an atheist, even if the majority of atheists including myself disagree with his actions. He is just an militant atheist, following a branch of atheism I don't associate myself with.

    A spade is still a spade, regardless of its colour.
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    No. Just because I could claim I'm Megan Fox's boyfriend, that doesn't make it true, especially if Megan herself says I'm not.
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    I'd say they all claim to be true Muslims but I'd beg to differ.. I could join ISIS, and would that make me Muslim? Hell no..
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    (Original post by zhog)

    Now, was Christ a Christian? Nah...
    Just to be an arse, I am going to correct you. Jesus was a Jewish rabbi.

    After Jesus' death, his followers believed he was resurrected, and the community they formed eventually became the Christian church
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    (Original post by Axious11)
    I'd say they all claim to be true Muslims but I'd beg to differ.. I could join ISIS, and would that make me Muslim? Hell no..
    I don't think ISIS will just let you rock up and join. You have to have at least an average knowledge of Islamic theology, and be a good actor (that you submit to Allah and believe Muhammad is the true prophet).

    You'd have to be Muslim at least in your appearance and knowledge.
 
 
 
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