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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    I think that usually people use the bathrooms of the gender they are presenting as.

    So it is quite a lot of effort to live your life as a girl the whole time you are at school for the sole purpose of "perving" on the girls.
    Maybe gay men and lesbians should be excluded from communal changing areas too :rolleyes:
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    I think that having unisex toilets is fine, it is not needed but it wouldn't hurt.
    but changing rooms? I mean why. you are going to have to use a male of female one and if you are worried that people will look at you funny just either shrug it off or get changed in the toilets.
    spending money for such a small minority would not be efficient
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    (Original post by PQ)
    Maybe gay men and lesbians should be excluded from communal changing areas too :rolleyes:
    What about bisexual people? :eek3:
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    (Original post by PQ)
    why?

    What school have you been to that only has a single set of toilets for the pupils?

    Even my tiny primary school of 180 pupils had 6 sets of toilets (3 male, 3 female) - and that was in an old victorian building.
    no, you're missing the point - if there is any number of gender-toilet pairs, then there will need to be another single toilet room (gender-neutral) to match in order to make it fair, surely? or if not, they will inevitably, still, need to create one more room, or take away the room of another gender
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    What about bisexual people? :eek3:
    Permanent blindfolds for the safety of us all???
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    how do mixed sex changing rooms work? I doubt many 15 year old girls would be happy stripping off in front of the boys and putting in enough cubicles for every student who needs to change is just not practical...

    I had mixed sex toilets at my school and to be honest, while it solved some problems (e.g. girls spending lunchtime in the toilets because they then stunk all the time), people adopted a 'boys side' and 'girls side' automatically so there'd still be an issue with using the 'wrong' toilet and they were pretty gross

    for uniforms, I think it is stupid to tell anyone they can't wear a specific piece of uniform because of their gender anyway, wearing gender neutral choices (i.e. trousers) is probably a smart choice in high school as if you make a statement about something like that people WILL pick on you no matter how much the school cracks down on it but I don't see any issue if someone wants to do that, it's their choice

    but yeah, don't think there's a need for massive amounts of change, for one, we're talking a tiny population of students here who will identify as trans AND want to present that way in front of their peers (for reasons mentioned above), I don't see why there is an issue with them using the toilet of the gender their identify as and if necessary, using a toilet to change in for PE
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    How is building a unisex toilet going to make the experience of pissing in the toilet any different to using the male or female toilets? I'm very confused as to how this is supposed to help.

    Same deal with the uniforms and changing rooms really. What exactly is supposed to be changed?
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    I can't imagine how difficult it must be to look at a male and female toilet/changing room sign and think "I don't fit into either of these", but be forced to pick in this black and white system. I understand the risk of exploitation, but with the right design and security, it really could help a lot of peoples' lives. I don't think it should be limited to just schools, either.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    Maybe gay men and lesbians should be excluded from communal changing areas too :rolleyes:
    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    What about bisexual people? :eek3:
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    Permanent blindfolds for the safety of us all???
    I highly doubt they'll be attracted to people with views like this, don't worry :lol:
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    Maybe having a Girls changing room, a boys changing room and a few individual cubicles for trans pupils or pupils who want to change in private.

    The same could be used for toilets.

    Have a skirt uniform and a trouser uniform? I hated wearing school skirts because they were so short. The trousers where either too long or didn't fit round the middle. I happen to have quite wide hips.

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    I like the fact that people's idea of accommodating trains people is to basically banish them from what they identify as or deciding that everyone else doesn't matter.
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    **** me sideways, this thread makes me not want to be on this planet anymore. Middle class people wondering about stupid middle class problems
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    If they have extra money to throw, then use it to improve the quality of education... and existing facilities like the toilets first, at least, and perhaps teach good manners against vandalism whilst they're at it so that those facilities don't become a wreck again. After they've accomplished that, they can focus on new ideas.
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    What on earth? How have most people voted 'No' on this poll? I am horrified at the lack of empathy here. There was a transgendered person at my school who ended up leaving because my school practically forced them to do so by being so terrible on these issues. For example, not allowing them into either the men or women's changing rooms, making them stay in a separate bedroom in school trips. The school even tried to say that they couldn't dress in boy's clothes but in the end had to give up on that because at that point there was no dress code for the sixth form. The discrimination was just awful.
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    (Original post by Platopus)
    What on earth? How have most people voted 'No' on this poll? I am horrified at the lack of empathy here. There was a transgendered person at my school who ended up leaving because my school practically forced them to do so by being so terrible on these issues. For example, not allowing them into either the men or women's changing rooms, making them stay in a separate bedroom in school trips. The school even tried to say that they couldn't dress in boy's clothes but in the end had to give up on that because at that point there was no dress code for the sixth form. The discrimination was just awful.
    Have you looked at the ideas people have put forward? I think that is why most people have voted no.

    The only thing that needs altering is the acceptance that people with gender dysphoria are whatever they identify as and put safeguards in place to stop the possibility of abuse of the systems implemented.
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    I'm all for gender neutral facilities. I mean, yeah, as a trans person i'd find it helpful - the bathroom situation can be awful sometimes. Lat time I used the men's at college it felt like the entire male population had descended on the loos and I just wanted to run out screaming. But, like, in terms of changing facilities it could help those who are generally insecure about their bodies? On a couple of occasions a kid in my year got forced to change in with everyone else and you could tell that her (what I can only assume were) self harm scars were keeping her back. As long as it's not an open space, meaning there's separate changing cubicles I don't see the issue.
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    I'd be up for allowing trans boys to use boys bathrooms, as long as they provided the school with some form of psychiatric or medical assessment that proved that they were indeed suffering from gender dysphoria
    It's hard to get the diagnosis of dysphoria the way things are - you need five appointments overall (one appointment to get to have two appointments with two psychiatrists) to get the diagnosis, which is currently between 18 months and 5 years. Being diagnosed with GD isn't like going to CAHMS and being diagnosed with depression or something like that.
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    (Original post by AlteredBoy)
    It's hard to get the diagnosis of dysphoria the way things are - you need five appointments overall (one appointment to get to have two appointments with two psychiatrists) to get the diagnosis, which is currently between 18 months and 5 years. Being diagnosed with GD isn't like going to CAHMS and being diagnosed with depression or something like that.
    But consider the alternative if there is nothing in place then the system will be abused.
    What alternative safeguards would you impose?
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    i feel like people online make out that there are so many transgendered people whereas in reality there's probably only a couple in every town. Out of all the 200 people in my year at school there was only 1 transgendered girl. I just think that it would be unnecessary to make an all gender toilet for just a couple of pupils and it would probably do them more harm than good. Same with uniform, allowing them to wear any uniform is fine but surely there's more chance of them getting bullied for it?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    But consider the alternative if there is nothing in place then the system will be abused.
    What alternative safeguards would you impose?
    It'd depend on the facility and the timetable and all of that jazz, but I'd have 2, maybe 3 single person cubicles to change in with a toilet on either end. It gets around any safeguarding issue, as there isn't technically enough room for the system to be manipulated by those who don't need it nor enough room for any physical/sexual harassment. Teachers seem to be pretty 'up' on trans issues at the minute, or if there wasn't a PE teacher of the sort in the school perhaps one of the office staff, therefore i'd try to get one of them to pop their heads in maybe 2-3 minutes at the start/before the end of each PE lesson to ensure nothing that could cause a safeguarding issue is happening.
 
 
 
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