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    (Original post by Copperknickers)
    They are conservative by the standards of European countries but when you compare them to actual theocracies like Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Islamic State, the difference is striking. You can live as a non-Muslim quite comfortably (perhaps not so much as an ex-Muslim or an anti-Muslim but that's not really the government's fault).
    hmm yeah i guess so but to call them secular is misleading, religion is still very prevalent within the country and their way of living is affected by religion. It's still a country dominated by faith and arguably a 'muslim country', even if their choice of abiding the religion is voluntary.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    http://en.annahar.com/article/199010...hout-inclusive


    They aren't a democracy, but they are certainly not autocratic, they are just a full monarchy, and they elect members into their assembly like many other nations.
    You do realise that the assembly in Qatar is one-third appointed by the emir, is consultative only and, fairly damning for your argument, has never met, having had its elections postponed on multiple occasions since the constitution supposedly created it in 2003?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    You do realise that the assembly in Qatar is one-third appointed by the emir, is consultative only and, fairly damning for your argument, has never met, having had its elections postponed on multiple occasions since the constitution supposedly created it in 2003?

    If you read my previous reply, you would realise that I did accept this but agreed that this doesn't make them completely autocratic
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    If you read my previous reply, you would realise that I did accept this but agreed that this doesn't make them completely autocratic
    They are more autocratic than England was in the Middle Ages, with a completely powerless assembly, called only when the ruler decides to call it (which is never, so far), that has only a consultative role when it is called. The very definition of autocracy.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    They are more autocratic than England was in the Middle Ages, with a completely powerless assembly, called only when the ruler decides to call it (which is never, so far), that has only a consultative role when it is called. The very definition of autocracy.


    I do not believe that is true.
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    Azerbaijan.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    I do not believe that is true.
    The link you gave tells you what is true. Did you not read it? The constitution of 2003 set up the assembly and gave it a consultative role. The emir has cancelled elections that will give it some members on several occasions and they have still not taken place. It does not exist until he says it does.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The link you gave tells you what is true. Did you not read it? The constitution of 2003 set up the assembly and gave it a consultative role. The emir has cancelled elections that will give it some members on several occasions and they have still not taken place. It does not exist until he says it does.
    It says he just cancelled it, it doesn't state that he is the one who makes all the rules and only gives the selected members the right to comment on the laws when he wants them to.

    That second statement is based on conjecture.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    It says he just cancelled it, it doesn't state that he is the one who makes all the rules and only gives the selected members the right to comment on the laws when he wants them to.

    That second statement is based on conjecture.
    (1) What do you think the word "consultative" in the name "Consultative Assembly" means? Does it indicate to you that the assembly will be deciding on the emirate's laws, like our parliament, or do you think it means the assembly can only offer an opinion to the emir? Think before you answer.

    (2) Can you read anything into the fact that the assembly cannot be elected until the emir decides top hold elections? Does that indicate that the assembly decides when to sit, or does it indicate that it cannot sit until the emir says it can? Bear in mind that the emir has already postponed elections several times and that they have never yet taken place. Again, think before you answer.

    Bear in mind that the constitution contains the following as one of the powers of the emir:

    Establishing and organising agencies to give him opinions and consultation to guide the policies of the State, to supervise these agencies and to define their authority.
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    i think that the politic of muslim countries is not free, in this case there is no democracic, so we can say that occidontal countries and usa haven't any democratic, because they make the dictatorship regims of muslim countries and suport them
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    (1) What do you think the word "consultative" in the name "Consultative Assembly" means? Does it indicate to you that the assembly will be deciding on the emirate's laws, like our parliament, or do you think it means the assembly can only offer an opinion to the emir? Think before you answer.

    (2) Can you read anything into the fact that the assembly cannot be elected until the emir decides top hold elections? Does that indicate that the assembly decides when to sit, or does it indicate that it cannot sit until the emir says it can? Bear in mind that the emir has already postponed elections several times and that they have never yet taken place. Again, think before you answer.

    Bear in mind that the constitution contains the following as one of the powers of the emir:

    Establishing and organising agencies to give him opinions and consultation to guide the policies of the State, to supervise these agencies and to define their authority.
    Thanks for posting that quote right there, essentially proving my point that the Government in Qatar isn't a tyrannical one like that of North Korea or Cuba because the Monarchy doesn't have absolute power the way the state of the countries mentioned do. They still have to consult their advisors and their elected assembly members.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    Thanks for posting that quote right there, essentially proving my point that the Government in Qatar isn't a tyrannical one like that of North Korea or Cuba because the Monarchy doesn't have absolute power the way the state of the countries mentioned do. They still have to consult their advisors and their elected assembly members.
    You seem to read the word "white" as "black".

    That clause givers the emir (and only the emir) the power to call on the Consultative Assembly (or Advisory Council) for advice. No power whatever is given to that body. The facts are:

    (1) the emir may choose not to set it up
    (2) the emir may choose to ignore its advice if he does set it up
    (3) the body cannot even decide to hold an election, as the emir has been proving, and as that clause states

    How does that mean Qatar does not leave absolute power in the hands of the emir?
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Turkey a democratic country? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Erdogan has has placed Turkey at the top of most journalists jailed per year not to mention censoring the internet, twitter, youtube and so on
    He said it WAS but not now!

    He/she is right since Erdomad has been in he's tried to make it a dictatorship.

    Indonesia? Maybe



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    (Original post by darkvibes)
    hmm yeah i guess so but to call them secular is misleading, religion is still very prevalent within the country and their way of living is affected by religion. It's still a country dominated by faith and arguably a 'muslim country', even if their choice of abiding the religion is voluntary.
    if the muslim country regims practice the religion law (and this is not possible because the pressures of european countries and USA), the democratic adventages is a drop in the ocean of religion adventages
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Turkey a democratic country? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Erdogan has has placed Turkey at the top of most journalists jailed per year not to mention censoring the internet, twitter, youtube and so on
    Turkey is an authoritarian country, but a democracy non the less. Erdogan can be voted out in the next election. There have been far more authoritarian secular nations, albeit not democracies however.
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    Azerbaijan.
    This one can confirm!
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    I think you may have just contradicted yourself.
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    It's time we ask ourselves... do we really need Democracy in the Muslim world?


















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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    You seem to read the word "white" as "black".

    That clause givers the emir (and only the emir) the power to call on the Consultative Assembly (or Advisory Council) for advice. No power whatever is given to that body. The facts are:

    (1) the emir may choose not to set it up
    (2) the emir may choose to ignore its advice if he does set it up
    (3) the body cannot even decide to hold an election, as the emir has been proving, and as that clause states

    How does that mean Qatar does not leave absolute power in the hands of the emir?


    Lets even say that the Emir of Qatar has complete power over everything in Qatar political wise, that still doesn't suggest that they are infact an authoritarian country.

    Look at their, standard of living, the economy, they are the richest country in the world based on their GDP, in comparison with countries like North korea. They might have a complete monarchy, but the standard of living of their country suggests otherwise that they are authocratic.
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    (Original post by Attempt)
    They might have a complete monarchy, but the standard of living of their country suggests otherwise that they are authocratic.
    The phrase you are searching for is "absolute monarchy". You clearly do not understand what the word "autocratic" means. Wealth has nothing to do with the system of government. You only have to compare two democratic countries, India and the USA, to see that.
 
 
 
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