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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    most* immigrants?
    I imagine a lot of people in less developed countries grow up with an image of the UK in their head as a place where they can thrive and succeed despite limited opportunities at home thanks to relatively generous labour laws and publicly provided healthcare. In much of the developed world I imagine the focus is more on our culture, history, high standards of education and the fact that we are the Anglosphere nation of Europe.
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    (Original post by Phillip88)


    At 1.00 he received a knuckle duster from friend, broke his nose and gave him a concussion for nothing.
    STEM industries & higher education are trying to promote technological progression in our world for better living standards and then we have the coexistence of Stone Age Barbarism.

    One step forward, two steps back.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    - 'Migrants' are not 'stripping countries of their resources' in the way that colonialists did. Rather, in GB at least, they make a net contribution to the economy.
    - Colonialists did not go to places like Africa as refugees or even as economic migrants - they came from a more developed place to a less developed one - that's plain greed. They also, in many cases, systematically pressed and even destroyed the native population. Refugees and immigrants on the other hand are looking for a better life.
    - If someone comes to Europe illegally then they're an illegal immigrant not 'just a migrant'. They also aren't part of a technologically advanced, racialist, imperialist mob as the colonialists were.

    That guy is either a fool or taking his audience for fools.

    It is incredibly difficult to respect the arguments of people who do not appreciate that migrants, on an individual level are just people making the incredibly brave decision to improve their and their families future prospects. I'll listen to arguments about school places, the burden to infrastructure and cultural integration all day - but unfortunately too many in this debate are just prejudiced losers.
    I am an immigrant. Stefan Molyneux is an immigrant. We both believe that people should have the option to move to any country they would like, but that does not mean it is acceptable for a mass immigration to happen in a country where most immigrants do not want the best for their country and only feed on its resources (welfare) that the country so nicely provides them due to liberal indoctrination. Cultural differences are a significant cause of this parasitical leeching on a country's resources. You can't seriously think a migrant from a third world country would come to a European country and act in a civilised, democratic and educated manner. Their parents most likely haven't had the luck to get educated in a third world country, so those migrants would not have any kind of values for education, and the same argument can be followed for incentive to work.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I imagine a lot of people in less developed countries grow up with an image of the UK in their head as a place where they can thrive and succeed despite limited opportunities at home thanks to relatively generous labour laws and publicly provided healthcare. In much of the developed world I imagine the focus is more on our culture, history, high standards of education and the fact that we are the Anglosphere nation of Europe.
    so that's a long drawn-out way of just saying "money", isn't it?
    colonialists went to the other lands to get money too
    arguably they actually improved the countries that they went to
    which is why places that were colonised are, on average, wealthier than the african nations that weren't.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    when white people come over to other lands for their resources, it's labelled "colonialism". when non-white people do this, it's called "cultural enrichment"
    can I say that?
    no u cant cos its raycist and ur a xenophobic piece of poo and im triggered.
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    (Original post by Insight314)
    I am an immigrant. Stefan Molyneux is an immigrant. We both believe that people should have the option to move to any country they would like, but that does not mean it is acceptable for a mass immigration to happen in a country where most immigrants do not want the best for their country and only feed on its resources (welfare) that the country so nicely provides them due to liberal indoctrination. Cultural differences are a significant cause of this parasitical leeching on a country's resources. You can't seriously think a migrant from a third world country would come to a European country and act in a civilised, democratic and educated manner. Their parents most likely haven't had the luck to get educated in a third world country, so those migrants would not have any kind of values for education, and the same argument can be followed for incentive to work.
    But migrants in the UK, and I don't know whether that includes you, make a net contribution to this country. So 'parasitical leaching' is not only dehumanising but also plain false. And there are plenty of people in 'third world countries' who are 'civilised'. A lot of said countries are also democracies - including the world's largest, India. It is also known that migrants tend to have the best work ethic.

    There are genuine problems with integration in many countries including the UK. However Mr Molyneux, though ti may be unfair to judge him on 15 seconds, is not taking the right approach to this debate at all. Perhaps he shouldn't have tried to condense this issue into so short a video.
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    Norway has been enjoying the enrichment for a while now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6k9P7L3tYk
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    so that's a long drawn-out way of just saying "money", isn't it?
    colonialists went to the other lands to get money too
    arguably they actually improved the countries that they went to
    which is why places that were colonised are, on average, wealthier than the african nations that weren't.
    And UK migrants make the net contribution to the wealth of the nation - the current government's economic growth targets are dependant on the influx of worker.

    Colonialists invaded countries to steal resources with the odd genocide here and there because many of them believed that the native populations of the countries they went to were less than human.

    A bad comparison is a bad comparison.
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    Denmark (half of rapists of foreign origin):

    http://www.bt.dk/danmark/hveranden-v...-er-udlaending

    Sweden:

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

    Just for completion.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    so that's a long drawn-out way of just saying "money", isn't it?
    colonialists went to the other lands to get money too
    arguably they actually improved the countries that they went to
    which is why places that were colonised are, on average, wealthier than the african nations that weren't.
    I think the bigger question is: why should whites do something which is not in their interest? To conquer countries and resources is in the interest of whites. Nonwhites have done something similar when they had the chance, think of the Moors and the Huns. To give up resources in the form of asylum/aid, and even your own country in the form of mass migration is not in the interest of whites.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    But migrants in the UK, and I don't know whether that includes you, make a net contribution to this country.
    Their contribution would be even better if immigrants were properly selected.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    the average penis size in pakistan is 4.5 inches. same with india.
    Don't you judge men by how good they treat you?
    Black men are more likely to earn less money because they won't be in white collar work.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Their contribution would be even better if immigrants were properly selected.
    Except immigration from all other countries to the UK/EU is already strict and properly selected. It's just for some reason they're more lenient with people from Islamic countries or all of them are illegal.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    when white people come over to other lands for their resources, it's labelled "colonialism". when non-white people do this, it's called "cultural enrichment"
    can I say that?
    Cultural Enrichment is a non-word.
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    Except immigration from all other countries to the UK/EU is already strict and properly selected. It's just for some reason they're more lenient with people from Islamic countries or all of them are illegal.
    How is migration properly selected? The EU is picking up any boat they find in the Mediterranean and shipping the people to Europe. Last year, millions have made it through the Balkan route alone.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Their contribution would be even better if immigrants were properly selected.
    I've no intention of arguing with that - my point is that it's wrong to demonise immigrants as some kind of invading hoarde.
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    Cultural Enrichment is a non-word.
    it's 2 words, genius
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    How is migration properly selected? The EU is picking up any boat they find in the Mediterranean and shipping the people to Europe. Last year, millions have made it through the Balkan route alone.
    Not sure if you understood my post.

    I said it seems more lenient from Islamic/Arabic countries (i.e. The ones you're talking about) compared with immigration from the rest of the world.
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    Not sure if you understood my post.

    I said it seems more lenient from Islamic/Arabic countries (i.e. The ones you're talking about) compared with immigration from the rest of the world.
    I read it but it made no sense.

    1) It's not more lenient to any specific country/culture. Europe has very weak borders and this is taken advantage of by a number of nationalities. That they are to a large extent Islamic just happens to be the case because they are closer to Europe.If it was Martians coming through the Mediterranean and the Balkans it would be the same.

    2) Many migrants are indeed not Arabic or Islamic but from countries such as India. There is a market for fake Syrian passports, and most of the migrants are not Syrians anyway.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I've no intention of arguing with that - my point is that it's wrong to demonise immigrants as some kind of invading hoarde.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24813467

    I meant this. Immigrants from non-EEA countries are a burden overall (it would be even worse if they had made a separate line for USA/Canada/Australia/NZ). Saying that "immigrants make a positive contribution" is hiding the fact that many of them are a burden.
 
 
 
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