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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Shed, you know that goal Drinkwater scored against you was his only goal of the season right? Obviously I was being kind when I said your average England fan has a memory of 6 months, when it's obviously about 6 days tops.

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    Actually scored vs Stoke back in jan and had one taken off him by a deflection vs west brom but you bang that short memory drum all you want.

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    (Original post by Nickini)
    No Stones?
    Probably because he's **** tbf

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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Probably because he's **** tbf

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    One bad season at 21 under the defensively retarded Martinez isn't the end of the world, may as well look to the future. Cahill and Jagielka have been **** too, and at least Stones isn't over 30. Francis is 31, never been called up and has played one season in the top flight..
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    (Original post by Nickini)
    One bad season at 21 under the defensively retarded Martinez isn't the end of the world, may as well look to the future. Cahill and Jagielka have been **** too, and at least Stones isn't over 30. Francis is 31, never been called up and has played one season in the top flight..
    It's not one bad season though - he simply cannot defend. He plays like he thinks he's franz Beckenbauer but (and I've said this before) he's just a white sol bamba - not as good on the ball as he thinks he is, decision making is abysmal to say the least, gets caught out of position far too regularly and massively error prone.

    Guy is a complete fraud of a defender

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    (Original post by Pickles)


    A couple of shockers in there! Townsend? Wilshere? Crikey Hodgson.
    Jack is injured isn't he

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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    It's not one bad season though - he simply cannot defend. He plays like he thinks he's franz Beckenbauer but (and I've said this before) he's just a white sol bamba - not as good on the ball as he thinks he is, decision making is abysmal to say the least, gets caught out of position far too regularly and massively error prone.

    Guy is a complete fraud of a defender

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    Yeah the hype completely went to his head. Don't think it's anything working under a manager who can actually organise a defence won't fix though, although it is an argument for not taking him to the Euros, tbf I'd rather give Stones the opportunity than bring a 33-year old Jagielka.
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    (Original post by Nickini)
    No Stones?
    There are a few good new central defenders, and domestically several who probably had a better season, so it would ultimately depend on who played best in the friendlies and qualifiers. So could be Stones, could be someone else.

    (Original post by difeo)
    It wouldn't really be Bertrand's job to stop Ronaldo seeing as they'd be on opposite sides of the pitch. Ronaldo hasn't been a right winger for years.

    There's a happy medium between 3 strikers and 6, i.e the amount in virtually every tournament squad, 4 or 5. That allows for 2 or 3 striker injuries, which would be hugely unlucky, and even then you can move to a 1 striker formation leaving one on the bench for cover.

    We'd have one position where we can afford 4 injuries, and another where a single injury leaves us playing people out of position. Surely you can see that's a ridiculous imbalance.

    Smalling is first choice centre back and yet has never been that impressive at right back, let alone left back.
    How do you not know Ronaldo plays everywhere across the pitch? He goes where he wants, even when he's told to stay somewhere.

    Up to 3 strikers could be used in a match. Roy's preference would be 5 strikers excluding Rashford. Don't concentrate on their most well known position, players are expected to be able to play in at least two positions these days, otherwise you may as well be saying Roy's bringing a dozen central midfielders, or that Spain doesn't play with any forwards.

    England name more defenders than they need. In Euro 2012, several spots were wasted on the likes of Jones and Kelly, and arguably Baines, when Cole was always going to play every game. If he got injured, Baines would've come in, but that's it.

    When was the last time the left back got injured? England barely ever sub the left back off! They start every game, and even when they do come off it's for a player who isn't a left-back, or even a defender. Baines, Cole, Neville, Le Saux, Pearce. Try and recall a time when Kelly made a contribution to Euro 2012 or Wayne Bridge became the saviour for England in the final minutes.

    Rose would start every game, and if things need change, in comes someone else off the bench, just like England and most teams have done for literally every tournament in (my) memory.

    No need to focus on what foot they play with either. England obsessed with left-footers forever over it, and eventually Joe Cole the right-footer solved it, not Stewart Downing. Didn't do Lahm any harm.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    Hart
    Walker Cahill Smalling Rose
    Dier
    Henderson Wilshere
    Alli
    Kane Vardy

    My preferred team. Don't really care about the full backs, Clyne and Bertrand are no better or worse than Walker and Rose. I chose the latter simply for the Tottenham connection even though that chemistry isn't as important at full back. Henderson and Wilshere are dependant on them showing form in the friendlies, if they are not sharp then Milner and Drinkwater can come in.
    Clyne is much better than Walker, I would also say that Bertrand is better than Rose too. Walker and Rose are in a system which makes them look good with a double pivot centre midfield pairing and a high press, meaning that they're never isolated so that they never get shown up defensively. They have also been next to the best CB pairing this season, so when Walker gets caught to high up the pitch e.g. most of 2013/14, it's not too much of an issue.I would argue that full backs need to have that much (if any) chemistry, as they're more in sync with the winger of that side.
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    Delph, Townsend, Rashford as the three left behind? Or somebody else?
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Delph, Townsend, Rashford as the three left behind? Or somebody else?
    - Drinkwater unless he scores/assists in both games

    - Rashford unless he scores two hat tricks, in which case he might drop Vardy if not a midfielder

    - Wilshere, Delph or Henderson depending on friendly performances and fitness
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    Originally i thought rashford, delph (or wilshere if hes not fit enough) and townsend would be the players to miss out because i thought our preferred formation would be a diamond. However the word amongst the media is that roy is planning on playing a 4-3-3 so i cant see townsend being left out given our lack of wide options. Considering clyne can play either side, maybe we'll see one of the left backs given the boot instead.
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    BBC did a sort-of poll by asking people to submit their XI. 500,000 people did it in 24 hours, and here's the results:

    ------------------Hart---------------------
    Clyne-----Cahill-----Smalling-----Rose
    -----------Drinkwater---Dier------------
    Rooney-------------------------Delle Alli
    ------------Kane-----Vardy------------
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    (Original post by ozzyoscy)
    How do you not know Ronaldo plays everywhere across the pitch? He goes where he wants, even when he's told to stay somewhere.

    Up to 3 strikers could be used in a match. Roy's preference would be 5 strikers excluding Rashford. Don't concentrate on their most well known position, players are expected to be able to play in at least two positions these days, otherwise you may as well be saying Roy's bringing a dozen central midfielders, or that Spain doesn't play with any forwards.

    England name more defenders than they need. In Euro 2012, several spots were wasted on the likes of Jones and Kelly, and arguably Baines, when Cole was always going to play every game. If he got injured, Baines would've come in, but that's it.

    When was the last time the left back got injured? England barely ever sub the left back off! They start every game, and even when they do come off it's for a player who isn't a left-back, or even a defender. Baines, Cole, Neville, Le Saux, Pearce. Try and recall a time when Kelly made a contribution to Euro 2012 or Wayne Bridge became the saviour for England in the final minutes.

    Rose would start every game, and if things need change, in comes someone else off the bench, just like England and most teams have done for literally every tournament in (my) memory.

    No need to focus on what foot they play with either. England obsessed with left-footers forever over it, and eventually Joe Cole the right-footer solved it, not Stewart Downing. Didn't do Lahm any harm.
    All true, but the same applies to strikers. "When was the last time the left back got injured?" - When was the last time 3 strikers got injured?
    We used 3 in 2014, 4 in 2012 (including just 13 minutes for Defoe), 4 in 2010, etc. I just don't see the need for 2 more than we've ever used previously.

    It's about insurance: sure maybe 5+ tournaments in a row only 1 left back is used, but the one time a left back does get injured, it potentially ends our tournament. It probably won't come to it, but the risk isn't worth it, especially when the reward is Troy Deeney, a striker with 7 non-penalty goals from 38 league games.

    Well, Kane and Defoe can't play 2 positions at all. Deeney can play attacking mid, but he'd be 3rd choice for presumably one spot, so would he ever actually be needed there. Vardy and Sturridge yeah, they can play out wide but it seriously limits them - Vardy has played himself into the squad solely based on this season, where he's been a striker every single game. And Rashford, he's quick and we've seen him out wide once, but he's all about finishing so you lose his main strength.
    Midfielders can generally play 2+ positions, but strikers not so much, most of them only play up front - Lewandowski, Aguero, Ibrahimovic, Benzema, Costa, Torres, etc.

    A 23 man squad has enough slots that you don't need to be including people based on being able to play in two positions.

    With feet, it's a bit different for wingers, you see a lot more of them on their 'wrong' side. But the vast majority of full backs play on their strong side for good reason. You don't want them coming inside when getting rid of the ball around their own box, and when they're overlapping on the attack, you don't want them to have to cut back to put a cross in.
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    (Original post by difeo)
    All true, but the same applies to strikers. "When was the last time the left back got injured?" - When was the last time 3 strikers got injured?
    We used 3 in 2014, 4 in 2012 (including just 13 minutes for Defoe), 4 in 2010, etc. I just don't see the need for 2 more than we've ever used previously.

    It's about insurance: sure maybe 5+ tournaments in a row only 1 left back is used, but the one time a left back does get injured, it potentially ends our tournament. It probably won't come to it, but the risk isn't worth it, especially when the reward is Troy Deeney, a striker with 7 non-penalty goals from 38 league games.

    Well, Kane and Defoe can't play 2 positions at all. Deeney can play attacking mid, but he'd be 3rd choice for presumably one spot, so would he ever actually be needed there. Vardy and Sturridge yeah, they can play out wide but it seriously limits them - Vardy has played himself into the squad solely based on this season, where he's been a striker every single game. And Rashford, he's quick and we've seen him out wide once, but he's all about finishing so you lose his main strength.
    Midfielders can generally play 2+ positions, but strikers not so much, most of them only play up front - Lewandowski, Aguero, Ibrahimovic, Benzema, Costa, Torres, etc.

    A 23 man squad has enough slots that you don't need to be including people based on being able to play in two positions.

    With feet, it's a bit different for wingers, you see a lot more of them on their 'wrong' side. But the vast majority of full backs play on their strong side for good reason. You don't want them coming inside when getting rid of the ball around their own box, and when they're overlapping on the attack, you don't want them to have to cut back to put a cross in.
    It's not a case of picking 6 strikers because I'd want 6 strikers, but because they're too good to exclude right now. I'd rather Rashford and Deeney than Bertrand and Lallana. There's no superb left-backs except potentially Rose, so I don't see moving someone comptetent there making much of a difference, and this is only in a worst-case scenario anyway.

    Deeney has 7 assists as well, and can play deeper in midfield and is a guy who wins headers. I'm picking him over Carroll or Rooney rather than strictly an alternative to out-and-out finishers.

    As you said, some strikers are specialists and only play up front. I think them being wide in a 4-3-3 is an option if not a preference. You'd never do that anyway unless you're down in the last 15 minutes.

    Many squads include players because they can play in several position. Dier is being included because he can play at centre-back, so Roy's only bringing 3 central defenders. I hear no complaints, just acknowledgement.

    A right-footed player on the left can immediately play a short pass along the touchline or to the central midfield, or a long pass diagonally, or simply clear it. You can say a player doesn't play left-back, but if a manager puts him there regularly, suddenly he's a 'centre back/left back' etc. on any profile or stat page. There are numerous examples through the decades of this happening. Smalling, Milner and co. have all covered there at some point and not done badly. We're talking cover, not a starting XI.
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    FFS.. we're going to play a midfield of Wilshere and Rooney aren't we?
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Defoe in for Rashford and Noble in for Wilshere would be my changes.

    I think it's an absolute insult to Jermain Defoe that Rashford's been picked before him
    I agree that Defoe should have been given a chance, but Rashford should be in there too if you ask me. Like Vardy, he's shown that he doesn't need many chances to score.

    I would have actually removed Sturridge to take Defoe

    Taking Wilshere is as absurd as leaving out Rooney tbh.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    FFS.. we're going to play a midfield of Wilshere and Rooney aren't we?
    TBH, if we play a narrow midfield with Dier, Alli and maybe even someone else as a 5th, that would be fine IMO.
    e.g.

    Dier - Wilshere
    Alli - Rooney - Sterling
    Kane
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    (Original post by damidude)
    I agree that Defoe should have been given a chance, but Rashford should be in there too if you ask me. Like Vardy, he's shown that he doesn't need many chances to score.

    I would have actually removed Sturridge to take Defoe

    Taking Wilshere is as absurd as leaving out Rooney tbh.
    Lol at taking Sturridge out.
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    (Original post by chazwomaq)
    TBH, if we play a narrow midfield with Dier, Alli and maybe even someone else as a 5th, that would be fine IMO.
    e.g.

    Dier - Wilshere
    Alli - Rooney - Sterling
    Kane
    Seems crazy to shoehorn in those players when you leave out both Vardy and Sturridge.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Seems crazy to shoehorn in those players when you leave out both Vardy and Sturridge.
    Against strong opposition it would be crazy to leave out Vardy, his pace on the counter would be lethal. Against teams where we need to break down their defence who leave little space, Sturridge or Kane would be fine. We have good options but Woy isn't going to use them well...
 
 
 
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