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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Exactly, and that variety of average Joe is generally a leaver, not a remainer
    I disagree there. Average Joe is worried about his job most of all and not interested in politics. He will see mostly the downsides of leaving.

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    Implying we will win?
    Here is the schedule

    Sunday 19 June, 21.00 (Lille): Switzerland v France – Group A
    Sunday 19 June, 21.00 (Lyon): Romania v Albania – Group A
    Monday 20 June, 21.00 (St-Etienne): Slovakia v England – Group B
    Monday 20 June, 21.00 (Toulouse): Russia v Wales – Group B
    Tuesday 21 June, 18.00 (Paris): Northern Ireland v Germany – Group C
    Tuesday 21 June, 18.00 (Marseille): Ukraine v Poland – Group C
    Tuesday 21 June, 21.00 (Bordeaux): Croatia v Spain – Group D
    Tuesday 21 June, 21.00 (Lens): Czech Republic v Turkey – Group D
    Wednesday 22 June, 18.00 (Lyon): Hungary v Portugal – Group F
    Wednesday 22 June, 18.00 (St-Denis): Iceland v Austria – Group F
    Wednesday 22 June, 21.00 (Nice): Sweden v Belgium – Group E
    Wednesday 22 June, 21.00 (Lille): Italy v Republic of Ireland – Group E
    England was unlikely to lose that early in the competition, anyway.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    I disagree there. Average Joe is worried about his job most of all and not interested in politics. He will see mostly the downsides of leaving.


    Implying we don't know who will be playing in those games and England is unlikely to lose that early in the competition.
    They're so worried about their jobs that the less educated and low social grades are in favour of leaving; the ones worried about their jobs are the ones at the top, not the bottom.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    They're so worried about their jobs that the less educated and low social grades are in favour of leaving; the ones worried about their jobs are the ones at the top, not the bottom.
    I think everybody is worried. I was thinking largely middle class careerists would rather watch the game with their families than vote in a referendum they don't understand.

    Leave voters are more convinced so they are less likely to be deterred by a game.

    By the way I edited my post above.
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    As much as I want to leave, I think we're staying in :indiff:
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    I think everybody is worried. I was thinking largely middle class careerists would rather watch the game with their families than vote in a referendum they don't understand.

    Leave voters are more convinced so they are less likely to be deterred by a game.

    By the way I edited my post above.
    The middle class careerists are more likely to make sure they vote before a game and are at least as likely to think they understand it; leavers have greater and being convinced isn't the same as prioritising voting.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The middle class careerists are more likely to make sure they vote before a game and are at least as likely to think they understand it; leavers have greater and being convinced isn't the same as prioritising voting.
    Middle class careerists would be at work before the game and then they would meet their families. Maybe they think they understand the vote better but it will also be more important for them to have a sufficient understanding.

    It doesn't matter if a lot of leavers don't sufficiently understand the referendum as long as they are passionate about the issue.
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    (Original post by plstudent)
    Middle class careerists would be at work before the game and then they would meet their families. Maybe they think they understand the vote better but it will also be more important for them to have a sufficient understanding.

    It doesn't matter if a lot of leavers don't sufficiently understand the referendum as long as they are passionate about the issue.
    And most of these "middle class careerists" will vote either between work and the game or after it depending on what time it is, or even before work. I expect on the day is will be a case of going to vote at about 6 with the family after dinner, not that we would be watching any football if it's on.

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    I think we're going to stay, but the vote will be close.
 
 
 
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