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    A second referendum would be really interesting. They seemed really split when it comes to remaining in Britain but very sure they want to stay in the EU

    A second referendum could pose a lot of difficult decision making for them unless this EU stuff really has just tipped the balance over all else
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Because in general Scotland is less racist that England.

    Also Scotland is already dictated to from afar, so why not at least be dictated to by people with better catering facilities.
    No! Scotland is more socialist than England.

    Why would a people who eat haggis want better catering facilities?
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    I see so much nonsensical answers on this thread and this is why I usually don't care about people's opinions on here. Do you people know any Scottish people? Do you watch documentaries at all? It's primarily because Scotland has an "aging population." So there's this unbiased if not blind and desperate desire for EU foreigners to come and youth up the place while bringing hopefully modern skills.

    That's the reason. That is literally it.
    That one reason, and a good one. But it is also about ideology for many Scottish people, who simply believe in the idea of closer union with Europe. It's also about the many people who benefit from EU money that they likely won't see again now the UK has "taken back control." It is also about education, research, stability...

    To pin it down to one issue is to simplify it too much.
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    They obviously feel an integral part of the eu and thus voted remain, now that the UK is leaving, looks like a new referendum could be iminent
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...g-to-leave-it/
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    That one reason, and a good one. But it is also about ideology for many Scottish people, who simply believe in the idea of closer union with Europe. It's also about the many people who benefit from EU money that they likely won't see again now the UK has "taken back control." It is also about education, research, stability...

    To pin it down to one issue is to simplify it too much.
    Look I don't really care to debate, what's done is done. But if you say stuff back it up honestly. And what about "education, research?" You can't just list things to appease to onlookers. Elaborate.

    And what I said is literally the primary reason, I've heard it from their mouths, of the Scottish commoners, the migrants to Scotland, and the Scottish politicians; I'm not speculating here that modernising the place with a constant influx of young people seems to be an ideal way for some of them to bring "money, education, research." Scotland barely wanted to be attached to England itself so of course they want to attach to other EU countries, as that early step to not needing England. Speaking of not "pinning it down to one thing," Uk can still attain these things without just that constant influx.
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    Scotland has barely been affected by immigration. It is 96% white (the UK as a whole was only 94% white as long ago as 1991) and the proportion of the white population that is non-UK is about half that in the UK as a whole (3% vs 6%).

    This is probably not why Scotland voted differently though, because Wales has very similar demographics yet was more anti-EU than England.

    I suspect that the SNP has tried to - and succeeded in - turning EU membership into a talisman of Scottish identity. I suspect that many "Yes" voters who would otherwise have been "Leave" voters have switched to "Remain" out of solidarity with the Scottish independence movement. This has some logic, as Scottish independence would be much less likely without the EU framework to fall back on.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    Scotland has barely been affected by immigration. It is 96% white (the UK as a whole was only 94% white as long ago as 1991) and the proportion of the white population that is non-UK is about half that in the UK as a whole (3% vs 6%).

    This is probably not why Scotland voted differently though, because Wales has very similar demographics yet was more anti-EU than England.

    I suspect that the SNP has tried to - and succeeded in - turning EU membership into a talisman of Scottish identity. I suspect that many "Yes" voters who would otherwise have been "Leave" voters have switched to "Remain" out of solidarity with the Scottish independence movement. This has some logic, as Scottish independence would be much less likely without the EU framework to fall back on.
    Literally...literally...what I just said.
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    (Original post by AnnieGakusei)
    This isn't about racism. Xenophobia maybe, but Europeans are mostly white, the same race as many racists. You could easily argue that staying in the EU is more racist since it gives Europeans preferential treatment over non-white immigration from elsewhere.

    This nonsense that if you stereotype and insult white migrants, you can not bbe a racist 'cos they're white must end.

    Hitler was racist not only because he thought that Jews are "inferior" (Jews are mostly white btw) but also because he thought Slavs were inferior subhumans.

    "race" is in any case such an inaccurate, loosely defined term and that's why people can play this game. You can and many white Brits are racist against Poles and Hungarians and Romanians. Just because they're white doesn't mean ****.

    Also, most migrants are not EU migrants despite the open borders. The UK currently receives more permanent migrants from the rest of the world - far more on net than gross numbers - since EU migrants move back and forth more easily. Being in the EU doesn't mean you receive more white migrants (though I don't know what % of the total number of migrants is white nor do I care)
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    Look I don't really care to debate, what's done is done. But if you say stuff back it up honestly. And what about "education, research?" You can't just list things to appease to onlookers. Elaborate.

    And what I said is literally the primary reason, I've heard it from their mouths, of the Scottish commoners, the migrants to Scotland, and the Scottish politicians; I'm not speculating here that modernising the place with a constant influx of young people seems to be an ideal way for some of them to bring "money, education, research." Scotland barely wanted to be attached to England itself so of course they want to attach to other EU countries, as that early step to not needing England. Speaking of not "pinning it down to one thing," Uk can still attain these things without just that constant influx.
    Back it up honestly? Those very things were part of not only the Remain campaign in Scotland but also the independence referendum the first tie around, with the Better Together campaign reminding voters how important the EU is to Scotland's universities and other institutions involved in research.

    I fail so see how I'm not honestly backing up my answers when your sources are all based on interactions with people in Scotland anyway. I mean, that's fine, but don't act as if your points are all proven whilst me is just random speculation.

    I'm English but I've lived in Scotland for coming up to 13 years now, and through my work and friends I've talked to lots of people about the issues facing Scotland and the decisions to be made. I've met Nicola Sturgeon and handful of times and talked to her a few times. Not that I say any of this to suggest I conclusively know what Scotland wants, but just so you know I'm not sat behind a computer in Middle England telling people what Scotland thinks.
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    There is a lot of farming in Scotland and I presume the EU gives some money via the UK government to help that. Also, they may get a cheaper cost for exporting oil? Don't hold me to that though.

    I voted leave and the idea that makes me a xenophobe or a racist is simply untrue
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Back it up honestly? Those very things were part of not only the Remain campaign in Scotland but also the independence referendum the first tie around, with the Better Together campaign reminding voters how important the EU is to Scotland's universities and other institutions involved in research.

    I fail so see how I'm not honestly backing up my answers when your sources are all based on interactions with people in Scotland anyway. I mean, that's fine, but don't act as if your points are all proven whilst me is just random speculation.

    I'm English but I've lived in Scotland for coming up to 13 years now, and through my work and friends I've talked to lots of people about the issues facing Scotland and the decisions to be made. I've met Nicola Sturgeon and handful of times and talked to her a few times. Not that I say any of this to suggest I conclusively know what Scotland wants, but just so you know I'm not sat behind a computer in Middle England telling people what Scotland thinks.
    Oh so you're being subjective? Because you claim you've lived in Scotland. I already feel you're being feisty and still bringing nothing to the table. Your whole last paragraph was emotional and not informative. The middle was defensive and a waste of a read. The first bit was useless. Anyway like I said I'm not basing anything on solely conversation although yes secondary research never hurt anybody. You also don't know me from Adam, I could be Scottish living in Brum. Also, it's called watching documentaries, reading the papers, visiting Scottish websites, conversation, learning through communication. And from all this I've learned the primary reason for voting Remain is as Observatory said, which is that it's a good way for Scotland to stay in progress and try to reach independence from England, via young EU migrants particularly. This is obvious stuff. However not all of Scotland is all democratic and worldly and progressive like this, so don't ham it up to be. Now with that, you are free to quote but I'm honestly not interested in arguing about Scotland or the referendum any further, as I harmlessly stated what I had to say and as always someone tries to start.
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    Oh so you're being subjective? Because you claim you've lived in Scotland. I already feel you're being feisty and still bringing nothing to the table. Your whole last paragraph was emotional and not informative. The middle was defensive and a waste of a read. The first bit was useless. Anyway like I said I'm not basing anything on solely conversation although yes secondary research never hurt anybody. You also don't know me from Adam, I could be Scottish living in Brum. Also, it's called watching documentaries, reading the papers, visiting Scottish websites, conversation, learning through communication. And from all this I've learned the primary reason for voting Remain is as Observatory said, which is that it's a good way for Scotland to stay in progress and try to reach independence from England, via young EU migrants particularly. This is obvious stuff. However not all of Scotland is all democratic and worldly and progressive like this, so don't ham it up to be. Now with that, you are free to quote but I'm honestly not interested in arguing about Scotland or the referendum any further, as I harmlessly stated what I had to say and as always someone tries to start.
    I really don't understand why you're getting so uptight. Let me show you my original reply to you again:

    (Original post by offhegoes)
    That one reason, and a good one. But it is also about ideology for many Scottish people, who simply believe in the idea of closer union with Europe. It's also about the many people who benefit from EU money that they likely won't see again now the UK has "taken back control." It is also about education, research, stability...To pin it down to one issue is to simplify it too much.
    So, after acknowledging the reason you gave for why Scotland wants to Remain, I suggest that there is more to it than that and that to present that one idea front and centre is, for me, playing down the affinity Scotland feels with the EU.

    I really don't see in what way I was "trying to start" or being feisty. If you were just wanting to put your take on Scotland's viewpoint out there with no follow-up discussion then fine, but I really think you need to be a little less defensive.
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    People keep saying "migrants bring this, migrants bring that. They're skilled, they're educated."

    How about this? How about UK does for its citizens whatever those countries these migrants are coming from are doing for theirs. So UK can create educated and skilled indigenous people?....Instead of ignoring our situation here by covering it up with an out of control (and yes it is out of control) migrant population, justifying it with the "things they bring?" :rolleyes: With the migrants gone, this calls for politicians to finally address the situation here without migrants eclipsing the imploding issues here.
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    People keep saying "migrants bring this, migrants bring that. They're skilled, they're educated."

    How about this? How about UK does for its citizens whatever those countries these migrants are coming from are doing for theirs. So UK can create educated and skilled indigenous people?....Instead of ignoring our situation here by covering it up with an out of control (and yes it is out of control) migrant population, justifying it with the "things they bring?" :rolleyes: With the migrants gone, this calls for politicians to finally address the situation here without migrants eclipsing the imploding issues here.
    With migrants gone we would be even more screwed.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    With migrants gone we would be even more screwed.
    I didn't ask you, nor did I quote you, leave me alone.

    Anyway like I said with migrants gone the government can finally do for its people and itself. Stop being chickens and stop ignoring how bad things are.
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    I didn't ask you, nor did I quote you, leave me alone.

    Anyway like I said with migrants gone the government can finally do for its people and itself. Stop being chickens and stop ignoring how bad things are.
    You realise immigration isn't going to stop? I mean, no-one even campaigned for that, unless Britain First did.

    Secondly, you even seemed to allude to migrants no being the fundamental problem in your earlier post. So why do you think things will improve even if immigration did stop?
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    You realise immigration isn't going to stop? I mean, no-one even campaigned for that, unless Britain First did.

    Secondly, you even seemed to allude to migrants no being the fundamental problem in your earlier post. So why do you think things will improve even if immigration did stop?
    Lol I don't have to explain anything. I did all my debating before the vote. I'm good with the result, I don't have to validate myself to you. If you wanna know my thoughts, trek through my post history. :beer:
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    Lol I don't have to explain anything. I did all my debating before the vote. I'm good with the result, I don't have to validate myself to you. If you wanna know my thoughts, trek through my post history. :beer:
    So are migrants masking the "problem" or are they the "problem"?

    I must have missed the memo that democracy and campaigning for a better future ended at 10pm on Thursday. I guess that's one of the fundamental differences between people in Middle England and people in Scotland, NI and London today. You all just have to get on with it, in a way, since that's what the (older, mostly) people voted for. In Scotland, NI and London we are living in a country that no longer seems to represent us, and we have important decisions ahead of us.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    So are migrants masking the "problem" or are they the "problem"?

    I must have missed the memo that democracy and campaigning for a better future ended at 10pm on Thursday. I guess that's one of the fundamental differences between people in Middle England and people in Scotland, NI and London today. You all just have to get on with it, in a way, since that's what the (older, mostly) people voted for. In Scotland, NI and London we are living in a country that no longer seems to represent us, and we have important decisions ahead of us.
    Just make a thread mate.
 
 
 
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