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    (Original post by generallee)
    Labour is going nowhere until it reflects the feelings of its own core vote on immigration.

    It doesn't matter WHO the leader is. Even Jesus of Nazareth couldn't save it while it continues to favour unlimited immigration.

    THE most poisonous topic in the whole of British politics. Especially amongst, wait for it, white working class Labour voters!
    This is something I don't understand. As far as I can tell Labour's 'core' were left behind years ago under the Blair government. At this point, 8 years after Blair resigned as Leader of the Party is it really reasonable to call them the core of Labour's support? I don't think so.
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    In what way is he a sell-out?
    I suppose it's because I admire the politics and integrity of his father. He supports neoliberalism, as far as I can see he is a Blair, or at least Brown ite. He is also pro-EU, and Benn was a socialist against the EU.

    Tim Stanley tweeted this -

    Hilary Benn: Europhile son of the nation's greatest socialist Eurosceptic trying to bring down Labour's first Bennite leader. Bizarre.

    And Max Keiser-

    Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 11h11 hours ago Philadelphia, PA .@jeremycorbyn's leadership has frustrated Tories into self-destruction and exposed fifth-column rats like @hilarybennmp. #ExcellentJob

    I guess I also have a profound aversion to New Labour.
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    i left the labour party because this oft glorified "core support" is just a bunch of conservative, xenophobic, unimaginative, uneducated, anti-intellectual bunch of uncompromising bigots who think "hmm, this works economically, but its not what my dad voted for 20 years...must be some evil tory plot. I wont vote for this lot. What??? dont tell me these policies are in my interests, i wont read them, they arent what ive voted for for 40 years, change requires me to engage my brain and think, we cant have that".

    these people hold the party to ransom now.

    And thus a competent government platform and opposition is gone forever. There is no left wing alternative to the tories now. Might as well vote tory while they occupy the centre ground and support businesses.
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    I'm not a Labour supporter, but if I was and supportive of the EU, I would be very angry and calling for his resignation. I think a lot of blame must be put on Corbyn for the weak Remain campaign - it wasn't necessarily the solid Tory South that voted to leave (indeed many places voted to remain), it was Labour heartlands. Sunderland voted to leave, Bolsover voted heavily for leave, Newcastle nearly voted leave despite the population being very supportive of Labour, and the list goes on. His highlight of the campaign was to give the EU a 7 out of 10 , and sabotaging the Remain campaign as a whole by undermining LabourIN and Stronger in Europe. His campaign was mostly characterised by speaking to people who were already voting Remain, rather than persuading others. He catastrophically failed to get the student vote.

    This underlines his quality of leadership - weak. He only appeals to those Labour activists that voted for him, not the general public, as shown in the opinion polls where the Tories have consistently beaten Labour in the past year despite the Tories implementing very unpopular policies. He has lost Scotland (arguably not his fault), and now is at a real possibility of losing Northern heartlands and perhaps some in Wales. The only place that really supports the Labour party in its current state now is London. He is also weak in PMQ's - and weak as a leader of the opposition, which is awful in any democracy.The PLP quite rightly don't support him for his lacklustre policies. Its no surprise that nearly half the shadow cabinet have left today. His desire to stay continues to show how out of touch he is to the damage he is doing to Labour, and its future prospects.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I suppose it's because I admire the politics and integrity of his father. He supports neoliberalism, as far as I can see he is a Blair, or at least Brown ite. He is also pro-EU, and Benn was a socialist against the EU.

    Tim Stanley tweeted this -

    Hilary Benn: Europhile son of the nation's greatest socialist Eurosceptic trying to bring down Labour's first Bennite leader. Bizarre.

    And Max Keiser-

    Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 11h11 hours ago Philadelphia, PA .@jeremycorbyn's leadership has frustrated Tories into self-destruction and exposed fifth-column rats like @hilarybennmp. #ExcellentJob

    I guess I also have a profound aversion to New Labour.
    So you think has sold out of someone else's views. A non reason if ever I did hear one

    I doubt he would describe himself as a neoliberal
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    So you think has sold out of someone else's views. A non reason if ever I did hear one

    I doubt he would describe himself as a neoliberal
    Well, he sold out the old Labour values his Dad represented, in favour of Globalist neoliberal ones, as so many of NuLab did. On top of that they are hypocritical champagne socialists. To my politics, that's as bigger sell out as possible.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Well, he sold out the old Labour values his Dad represented, in favour of Globalist neoliberal ones, as so many of NuLab did. On top of that they are hypocritical champagne socialists. To my politics, that's as bigger sell out as possible.
    So everyone should always believe what their dad believed?

    idiot
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Well, he sold out the old Labour values his Dad represented, in favour of Globalist neoliberal ones, as so many of NuLab did. On top of that they are hypocritical champagne socialists. To my politics, that's as bigger sell out as possible.
    You can't sell out of something you never bought.

    You can't simultaneously accuse them of embracing neoliberalism and champagne socialism.

    I don't think either charge is accurate for Hilary Benn. I think he has pushed for progressive politics from a centre left, mixed economy standpoint.

    As for champagne, his teetotalism is notorious.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    So everyone should always believe what their dad believed?

    idiot
    No,I just explained, the two of them are just symbolic of the Old Labour/New (neoliberal)Labour dichotomy. That is why I consider Hilary Benn and other Blairite globalists sell outs. You clearly are not paying attention.
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    Can I just ask a question… why do people support corbyn? Do you actually see him leading the UK? Are you not angry he can't hold his party together? Does it not bother you that we have a weak divided government that's been allowed to get away with so much due to weak outside opposition? Does it not bother you that the party excercising the roles of the official opposition Is from the same party in government? And despite the shambles of the government, people still don't want to turn to the alternative that is Labour. I mean that's the basic assumption in a 2 party system, when one party fails the people turn to the other but because of Corbyn the people don't know where to turn. His new politics is for the minority and doesn't represent the masses.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Can I just ask a question… why do people support corbyn? Do you actually see him leading the UK? Are you not angry he can't hold his party together? Does it not bother you that we have a weak divided government that's been allowed to get away with so much due to weak outside opposition? Does it not bother you that the party excercising the roles of the official opposition Is from the same party in government? And despite the shambles of the government, people still don't want to turn to the alternative that is Labour. I mean that's the basic assumption in a 2 party system, when one party fails the people turn to the other but because of Corbyn the people don't know where to turn. His new politics is for the minority and doesn't represent the masses.
    You may be interested:

    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitio...abour-leader-1
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    This is something I don't understand. As far as I can tell Labour's 'core' were left behind years ago under the Blair government. At this point, 8 years after Blair resigned as Leader of the Party is it really reasonable to call them the core of Labour's support? I don't think so.
    I'll ask you the same question I asked another poster who came out with the same line. Have you ever canvassed for the Labour Party on a council estate?

    I have and it gives you a better perspective on the matter of Labour's "core support" than you get in a student union...

    Just sayin....
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    No,I just explained, the two of them are just symbolic of the Old Labour/New (neoliberal)Labour dichotomy. That is why I consider Hilary Benn and other Blairite globalists sell outs. You clearly are not paying attention.
    you cant sell out from a view that isnt yours
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    you cant sell out from a view that isnt yours
    OK, this is a boring, banal conversation.
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    (Original post by Manchester_123)
    Don't think so soon you filth. It makes me cry the way you communists infiltrated my party. Thankfully 200 MPs plan to revolt and overrule members votes so they elected a leader themselves. We need someone passionate about the EU like Blair and I hear he plans to make a comeback. Blair would win us an election. **** Corbyn, the old man deserves to die
    lol

    your party? We live in a 2 party system, unfortunately for you that means Labour have to incorporate the whole of the left. Better that than having two parties that are almost indistinguishable.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    lol

    your party? We live in a 2 party system, unfortunately for you that means Labour have to incorporate the whole of the left. Better that than having two parties that are almost indistinguishable.
    Get used to Blair then because his politics will lead us once again, and WE WILL WIN!
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    What a complete mess.
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    Good, we needed to weed out the secretly unloyal ones, you kind of get the vibe half of them were just going along and pretending to support him
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    What people actually paid attention to these bunch of moronic imbeciles?

    There will never be a Liebour government for as long as that idiot Corbyn being leader. In order to stand a chance they seriously should bring back Dave Miliband. The rest? Waste of oxygen and time.
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    Good, we needed to weed out the secretly unloyal ones, you kind of get the vibe half of them were just going along and pretending to support him
    Like he just did in the EU campaign, whilst sabotaging it on the side, these people deserve each other.
 
 
 
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