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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Lol. Gove uses the Roman 'VI' instead of '6'. But writes it small-i.



    Pretentious? Moi?
    lol

    I'm a state school scrote and even I know it is VI. ME and my friend in primary school used to be obsessed with the Romans.

    Also why is it just the month :confused:
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    May said no general election, and yes to immigration reform. So if she keeps to that then she should satisfy Brexiteers.
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    I don't understand why people are just talking about Gove and May, neither of them would suit in my opinion...

    What about Andrea Leadsom? She has led a positive and sincere and mature approach throughout the campaign and I feel like she's the only person that has a mature, responsible approach to our future.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Brexit was about should we stay or should we go and just that. It wasn't a manifesto of what will happen afterwards. If anything, we should have a general election to decide who leads the country forward from this point on.
    Well they campaigned on a manifesto about what that would involve.

    No more payments to the EU and the money to be used on the NHS or otherwise.
    No more free movement or immigration from the EU without UK control. Reduction in immigration numbers.
    No more collective responsibility, so ties can be renewed with the commonwelath and rest of the world.
    New more advantageous trade deal.

    A general election would make sense, but for now the brexit vote should be respected. It would be easy for a remainer in power to just agree something very similar to membership including immigration, fee movement and payments and that would undermine leave.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Well they campaigned on a manifesto about what that would involve.

    No more payments to the EU and the money to be used on the NHS or otherwise.
    No more free movement or immigration from the EU without UK control. Reduction in immigration numbers.
    No more collective responsibility, so ties can be renewed with the commonwelath and rest of the world.
    New more advantageous trade deal.
    And as Farage has pointed out, half of it was a lie, and the other half was questionable about whether it could be delivered. On both sides, the arguments were only claims of what could happen. Not what will happen. You weren't voting for a person or party. You were simply answering the question "Do you want the UK to remain in the EU?"

    If you want a say in who will be the next leader of the Tory party, you had better sign up quick and give them your £25.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    And as Farage has pointed out, half of it was a lie, and the other half was questionable about whether it could be delivered. On both sides, the arguments were only claims of what could happen. Not what will happen. You weren't voting for a person or party. You were simply answering the question "Do you want the UK to remain in the EU?"

    If you want a say in who will be the next leader of the Tory party, you had better sign up quick and give them your £25.
    If you are going to make claims, then its up to them to deliver. Its a nonsense a remainer should negotiate.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    If you are going to make claims, then its up to them to deliver. Its a nonsense a remainer should negotiate.
    No - they were making claims to make you choose Leave or Remain. It was a campaign of fear on both sides. Nigel Farage isn't even an MP. How on earth could he stand up and say he would give an additional £350 million a week to the NHS? He has no power. Same with everyone else for the Leave campaign. None had a mandate to deliver what they claimed. Only to persuade the electorate one way or the other.
    The referendum was not a vote on the NHS, or immigration, or sovereignty, or for the poor, or for the disenfranchised, or anyone else who tried to hijack it to further their own cause. Is was a simple yes / no question on whether we should say in the EU. No more, no less.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    lol

    I'm a state school scrote and even I know it is VI. ME and my friend in primary school used to be obsessed with the Romans.

    Also why is it just the month :confused:
    There's something very Gove about it - kind of posing as super-literate, yet somehow not quite having what it takes to be consistent and rigorous.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I would be happy about this. Except that Boris, despite being a slippery beggar and a lazy, hypocritical, bumbling toff, probably would have fairly liberal instincts and a centrist approach to the economy.

    Instead we will now probably get Teresa May, who is much less likely to be any of those things, apart from slippery.
    (Original post by Hydeman)
    He's a 'beggar' and a 'toff?' :hmmmm2: You may need to think through your insults a little more.
    It's also interesting that you call him a toff, despite being from the same background yourself. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    There's something very Gove about it - kind of posing as super-literate, yet somehow not quite having what it takes to be consistent and rigorous.
    The man went to Oxford after a state education and got the same degree class you claim to have got. He writes his own policies. You are either saying this out of socioeconomic snobbery or because you want to say something that sounds clever and insightful but is actually just nonsense
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    (Original post by Fenice)
    The man went to Oxford after a state education and got the same degree class you claim to have got. He writes his own policies. You are either saying this out of socioeconomic snobbery or because you want to say something that sounds clever and insightful but is actually just nonsense
    Not really, it's just funny that he signed the nomination with a semi-Latin flourish - and a wee bit pretentious. Actually, very pretentious.
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    Especially interesting since Michael Gove is now running against his political ally now...

    But that's none of my business...
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    Don't know why anyone is surprised.
    Boris never wanted to leave the EU, he wanted a heroic failure and to then to ride the momentum to no. 10.

    That's why he looked depressed when leave won and scaled back on many of his previous promises. He knew if he became leader he'd have to deal with years of very tricky and complex negotiations to leave an organisation that he never actually wanted to leave in the first place.

    Boris is a showman, an entertainer who loves going on chat shows and everyone thinking he's charismatic and funny. He's not the type who wants to spend his time sat in lengthy and seemingly ever-lasting meetings fleshing out complex trade negotiations.


    On the other hand May very much is and I presume she'll waltz to the leadership now.*
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    Well someone's a snake in the grass.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    And as Farage has pointed out, half of it was a lie, and the other half was questionable about whether it could be delivered..
    And which of those "could" be delivered? None.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    The referendum was not a vote on the NHS, or immigration, or sovereignty, or for the poor, or for the disenfranchised, or anyone else who tried to hijack it to further their own cause. Is was a simple yes / no question on whether we should say in the EU. No more, no less.
    hahahah.

    The funny part is that Johnson knows he cannot deliver of any of the promises that he delivered on Pre-Vote. That is why he is pulling out. He would preside over a complete disaster.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    hahahah.

    The funny part is that Johnson knows he cannot deliver of any of the promises that he delivered on Pre-Vote. That is why he is pulling out. He would preside over a complete disaster.
    He pulled out because Gove stole his support out from underneath him at the last minute. There really isn't much more to it than that.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Yes, Gove is a true ideologue of the Chicago School and a man determined to destroy anything that looks remotely like socialism, for example, the entire public sector.

    I would seriously expect a Gove administration to do things like toll all roads, sell the NHS to US insurance firms, remove all benefit payments and force workless people into camps. I wouldn't put any of those things past him.
    And they're bad things? Those kind of policies are just what the country needs.
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    (Original post by tripleseven)
    I don't understand why people are just talking about Gove and May, neither of them would suit in my opinion...

    What about Andrea Leadsom? She has led a positive and sincere and mature approach throughout the campaign and I feel like she's the only person that has a mature, responsible approach to our future.
    I want Andrea Leadsom for PM now that Boris is out.
 
 
 
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