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    (Original post by StrangeBanana)
    So you think someone like Terence Tao (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao) just works harder than everyone else?

    "natural ability", i.e some kind of predisposition to be better than average at certain things (either genetic, or coming from your very early life environment), definitely exists to a certain extent.
    Never heard of him before, reading his wiki he seemed to be able to do uni maths at an early age but what is your point exactly? It seems like he really likes maths and spends all his time doing it so yes I would say he works harder than nearly everyone else at maths.

    (Original post by Salamandastron)
    I would argue that i do have an inate skill for it though, i can see 3D things and picture them in my head and translate them to paper, but anyway i suspect only other artists understand that so i will leave that there.
    I can do that too, but I still prefer maths over art. I would tell myself I have an innate skill in it if it made me feel better

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    wtf? I'm not sure about you but I'd prefer to not work hard and get a bad grade, than working hard to get a bad grade, because then I could just say that I didn't try so I would't care. Whereas if I put my blood and sweat into something, and still got a **** grade, I would be pretty pissed off and sad a little bit, but then I would keep on working hard so that i can improve
    You can always say you didn't try lol. You're the only person I know who would prefer to be that guy who says he didn't try. I would rather be living on the street than be that guy.

    Your point which I've underlined is exactly what I was saying that you are less likely to get depressed if you work hard.
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    (Original post by sweetiemelx)
    If someone is really bad at maths through hard work would they be able to achieve an A at a-level or is maths only for those that have the natural ability?

    Is it possible to become excellent at something if you don't have the natural ability?

    Because in our society a lot of people assume that people are born intelligent which I think is true, but if your not born intelligent and you don't have the natural ability to study maths or sciences is it the end? You can't get into a STEM degree so you will be most likely unemployed.

    So what do you guys think?

    Noo!! A-level maths is not just for those who have a natural ability/are gifted. It's for thise who are hard working. If you're gufted jn maths, but dont work hard, you will fail. If you're not gifted in maths, and work hard you will strive

    YES, i have always been dumb at maths since primary(i still dont know all my timetables) but i worked hard and i am hoping to get that A* in my gcse maths

    THIS IS NOT FULLY TRUE. Yes, intelligence can be genetic, but it only works until gcse, after that you need to be hardworking to get good grades.

    An answer to all your question:
    The road to success comes through hard working and determination and nothing else.
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    Engineering a hierarchy of ability in your mind has as much practical utility as solipsism.

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    (Original post by xylas)
    Never heard of him before, reading his wiki he seemed to be able to do uni maths at an early age but what is your point exactly? It seems like he really likes maths and spends all his time doing it so yes I would say he works harder than nearly everyone else at maths.



    I can do that too, but I still prefer maths over art. I would tell myself I have an innate skill in it if it made me feel better
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    Unless you do a lot of maths it's hard to Describe just how ridiculous he is


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    Unless you do a lot of maths it's hard to Describe just how ridiculous he is


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    You're ridiculous
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    (Original post by xylas)
    Never heard of him before, reading his wiki he seemed to be able to do uni maths at an early age but what is your point exactly? It seems like he really likes maths and spends all his time doing it so yes I would say he works harder than nearly everyone else at maths.
    Mate I don't think you understood his point. Do you really think that doing UNI maths at AGE 9 is just due to him working harder than other people?

    (Original post by xylas)
    You can always say you didn't try lol. You're the only person I know who would prefer to be that guy who says he didn't try. I would rather be living on the street than be that guy.

    Your point which I've underlined is exactly what I was saying that you are less likely to get depressed if you work hard.
    Hah why would you say that? Whats wrong if i say I don't try if i really dont try? I dont get you

    And you didn't understand my point, I would be most likely to get sad/depressed if I did try hard and did bad, thats why I said i would pefer to not try and do bad
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    (Original post by xylas)
    You're ridiculous
    Lol cba with you


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    I think anyone can learn to do most things but that everyone has different aptitudes. At uni I found that talent would win out over hard work more times than not. But I guess this is where everyone is putting in effort rather than relying completely on natural abilities.
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    (Original post by sweetiemelx)
    If someone is really bad at maths through hard work would they be able to achieve an A at a-level or is maths only for those that have the natural ability?

    Is it possible to become excellent at something if you don't have the natural ability?

    Because in our society a lot of people assume that people are born intelligent which I think is true, but if your not born intelligent and you don't have the natural ability to study maths or sciences is it the end? You can't get into a STEM degree so you will be most likely unemployed.

    So what do you guys think?
    Nope, if you work really hard you won't get an A, you would get an A*!
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    (Original post by theBranicAc)
    Mate I don't think you understood his point. Do you really think that doing UNI maths at AGE 9 is just due to him working harder than other people?

    Hah why would you say that? Whats wrong if i say I don't try if i really dont try? I dont get you

    And you didn't understand my point, I would be most likely to get sad/depressed if I did try hard and did bad, thats why I said i would pefer to not try and do bad
    He worked harder and he wanted it more.

    No-one listens to the person who say they didn't try. People take homeless people more seriously than losers who tell themselves and others they didn't try.

    You said " I would keep on working hard so that i can improve" which is the opposite of depression.
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    (Original post by xylas)
    He worked harder and he wanted it more.

    No-one listens to the person who say they didn't try. People take homeless people more seriously than losers who tell themselves and others they didn't try.

    You said " I would keep on working hard so that i can improve" which is the opposite of depression.
    No its because he was born a genius, not just because he worked harder?

    Fair enough, people don't take you that serious if you say that I didn't try because they think that your lying

    Sorry you must of mis intepreted what I meant . If I do try hard and get bad results, I would be pretty sad and depressed for a while, BUT instead of dwelling on it I will keep on working hard so that i can improve, like I said
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    (Original post by Salamandastron)
    I think art is something you either have or haven't got. I think you can only teach it to an extent but you need to have a type of brain which can interpret objects into drawable shapes etc.
    I have basically been doing art all my life ever since nursery (yeh ik that isnt art but i was making stuff and learning how to make etc) so I have had a lot of practise so it is kind of nature and nurture if you will, as in I have a sort of '3D brain' but that alone isnt good enough, you have to practise pretty much everyday for years
    as for maths idk, i did so much maths for GCSE because i found it hard so in the end I got quite good at doing certain types of questions but i would not have had any mathematical ability when it came to application, I think some people just have that 'mathsy' brain and similarly to art practise it a lot so build on that inate mindset
    Agreed. :yep:
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    (Original post by theBranicAc)
    No its because he was born a genius, not just because he worked harder?

    Fair enough, people don't take you that serious if you say that I didn't try because they think that your lying

    Sorry you must of mis intepreted what I meant . If I do try hard and get bad results, I would be pretty sad and depressed for a while, BUT instead of dwelling on it I will keep on working hard so that i can improve, like I said
    I concur!
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    I believe that some people are destined to succeed at certain things, which others could never achieve no matter how hard they work for it. Sad truth really.
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    To some extent, it does influence it yes.

    I find myself putting in much less effort than other people and still doing as well as or better - I have the highest predictions for Further Maths even though I know full well that the others put in much more study time than me.

    However, even though I dedicated a huge amount of time to my Art GCSE, I still wasn't able to pull out anything above a B. So there's that contrast.
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    I have a very good brain. It's tremendous. It's true, It's true...
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    I wasn't born with a talent in anything but I have the ability to easily reach a standard level in pretty much any topic, I can easily understand and get to grips with most things without an effort but if I'm to be great at it I need to put in that extra effort, so I'm quite all round but Maths is the best for me, it just clicks to me at the higher level without the need for much effort.

    Science however is the one thing I struggled with, perhaps because it was boring and I put in no effort till the last minute, it's did work hard for the last month and mastered to get a standard grade of C but I think trying to become really good at a subject you have no natural ability or interest in is quite difficult without a doubt albeit possible
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    Well i think if you try hard enough you will get better at things, for example in primary school i used to be terrible at maths i mean like bottom table maths in years 1 2 3 and 4 5 6 bottom sets. This also happened for any other subject at primary school as well and i was not academically gifted according to my teachers and parents. These events have made me scared of maths and to this day I freeze whenever i have to do mental arithmetic.




    By the time i reached secondary school, i applied myself and tried to understand what was being taught to me and i ended up getting a respectable B grade in GCSE maths at the end of year 11. Kinda ****ed up AS maths due to giving up rather early in the course, but the point is if you try hard enough in something you will improve, rather than just having talent itself because i was the most retarded kid ever in primary school and had 0 talent in any of my subjects but with a little motivation and hard work understanding the concepts I did decently in my gcse's with 1A*, 2A's, a load of B's and a C in french and i am currently awaiting my A levels so I can study Biochemistry.
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    yes, i think that they are, there are going to be certain things people are good at and some which they arent good at, but that is the way life is for someone, like in maths i was pretty average and i passed at at GCSE, but at A-levels i didnt pick it as i knew that i would struggle, but english is totally different it allows me to have my own perceptions of certain novels and add it in my writing
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    (Original post by sweetiemelx)
    If someone is really bad at maths through hard work would they be able to achieve an A at a-level or is maths only for those that have the natural ability?

    Is it possible to become excellent at something if you don't have the natural ability?

    Because in our society a lot of people assume that people are born intelligent which I think is true, but if your not born intelligent and you don't have the natural ability to study maths or sciences is it the end? You can't get into a STEM degree so you will be most likely unemployed.

    So what do you guys think?
    Firstly i would like to say that no one i is born with information about science or maths embedded into their head; we all have to learn things in order to seem knowledgable in a subject. However, people are born with different learning speeds which is why a person may seem more intelligent than an other. If we consider what learning actualy means we would most likely think of the word practice; so all that is rally different between people is how much they have to practice in order to understand something. This means that even if someone is quicker at learning things than you, working hat or in other words practicing more frequently can easily get you to the level you want to be ati think that it all comes down to work ethic as and if you have that, your good to go for A level maths👍
 
 
 
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