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    (Original post by paul514)
    It's fact not propaganda


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    IT is propaganda, when you fail to mention that it is case with the entire of the EU. EU exports to non-EU countries have grown faster than intra - EU trade.

    Anyway, are we going to have free access to the Chinese or Indian market ? No. So the comparison is not only false, but stupid.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    We have plenty of people to fuel that industry. If not, we can also bring qualified people from USA, Australia, India, SwitErland, Germany, Japan, China, South Korea, Malaysia, etc.
    Weren't reducing immigration one of the reasons we left the EU, why bring in more when we could have stayed in?
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Weren't reducing immigration one of the reasons we left the EU, why bring in more when we could have stayed in?
    We might bring in immigrants only that are very skilled to do good jobs. Immigration will be more controlled. We will have a better immigration policy which will be fairer.

    Staying in the EU required us to bring in all immigrants, regardless of whether they are skilled or not. And regardless of whether they will claim benefits or not. And regardless of whether they have a criminal record or not.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    We might bring in immigrants only that are very skilled to do good jobs. Immigration will be more controlled. We will have a better immigration policy which will be fairer.

    Staying in the EU required us to bring in all immigrants, regardless of whether they are skilled or not. And regardless of whether they will claim benefits or not. And regardless of whether they have a criminal record or not.
    Leavers won't care what sort of immigrants they are, they will automatically hate them and the tabloids will whip up trouble and the government who will be pressured to reduce immigration.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    We might bring in immigrants only that are very skilled to do good jobs. Immigration will be more controlled. We will have a better immigration policy which will be fairer.
    And then we are right back at 'brown people take muh job' and we mostly use immigrants to do the jobs british people don't want to do for wages at which british people don't want to work at.
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    Please stick to the topic of the thread people. We're not here to talk about immigration. We're here to talk about the new Pre-Brexit trade deals that are being discussed between our business secretary and other countries.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    Hey India want to make a trade deal with your commonwealth partner and 5th largest economy in the world....?

    Fail
    'Sure, but we won't be generous to you'.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Please stick to the topic of the thread people. We're not here to talk about immigration. We're here to talk about the new Pre-Brexit trade deals that are being discussed between our business secretary and other countries.
    Of course, Leavers don't like hard questions like immigration and recession.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    No I imagine he was referring to the ones which were not part of British law, or where the EU improved existing domestic laws.
    Such as? So far we're rerunning the campaign with you saying "these things exist, but I have no idea what they are, or at least won't say because I know what I would list is incorrect." Give me just one thing that would be absolutely crippling for us to lose, that would not take the form of electoral suicide?

    (Original post by 999tigger)
    This is where we export to. Seems pretty crazy to be banging on about singapore and ignoring our existing markets as well as the importants in protecting them.

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    You know you've won when instead of tackling the argument you try to go "lol this irrelevant thing means I win, but please don't let the other guy know I said it"
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    (Original post by paul514)
    Nope the European Union is the third largest market post brexit and we are the fifth
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    Post Brexit yes, whether Britain will remain high though is highly dubious at best especially given its 6th at the moment with France and Germany in the top 5 and 9 other EU countries filling up the top 25. However seeing as they will be in the single market for the forseeable future that still leaves Britain in a wee spot of bother given its equally likely [and has been said be Germany already] Britain will get no sweet heart deal there not to mention a sizeable portion of investment in the UK came from the EU and because of our membership.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Please stick to the topic of the thread people. We're not here to talk about immigration. We're here to talk about the new Pre-Brexit trade deals that are being discussed between our business secretary and other countries.
    They're an interconnected issue though, one of the conditions of being in the single market is freedom of movement and Europe has already said you cant ditch one without ditching the other. Which to be honest is perfectly fair why would they want us to reap the benefits without any contribution.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20160629-...-tells-britain
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)


    You know you've won when instead of tackling the argument you try to go "lol this irrelevant thing means I win, but please don't let the other guy know I said it"
    You never win any arguments. The point was look where all our trade goes at the moment.

    We need to consolidate deals with the people we currently trade with as a priority i.e the EU rather thna get excited about the Commonwealth or China where we do relativelt little business in comparison. All your stuff is jam tomorrow that may or may not work in our favour and will take years to become as significant.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    You never win any arguments. The point was look where all our trade goes at the moment.

    We need to consolidate deals with the people we currently trade with as a priority i.e the EU rather thna get excited about the Commonwealth or China where we do relativelt little business in comparison. All your stuff is jam tomorrow that may or may not work in our favour and will take years to become as significant.
    Except we don't care about what happens today, by the time anything happens today is history. In reality when are we going to be leaving? If the next PM is sensible it will be at least 2019. So let's crunch the numbers..for you to ignore again:

    Exports to the EU 2015: ~£130bn, 44% all exports, 0.7% annual contraction
    This gives us a total of about £290bn exports
    Top 10 non-EU exports totals £120bn with average annual growth of 7.7%

    Let's take these figures forwards to 2019. We'll assume the other £40bn remains stagnant (actually it would grow), and that the stronger exports neutralises that EU contraction, and has no effect on the non-EU top 10, so it stays at 7.7% (in effect giving the EU the best chance it has). Come 2019 we have the following: EU exports are still at £130bn, to most of the rest of the world still £40bn, to the top 10 about £160bn or so. When we take the rounding out those top 10 now make up about 50% of all exports, the EU is down below 40% and still dropping. So now let's look at those top 10:

    Right up at the top we get the USA, TTIP not going anywhere, the joys of a republican congress pushing for trade talks to start
    Second, Switzerland, open to negotiations
    Third, China, don't like dealing with the EU, express a willingness to enter into negotiations in the near future
    UAE, not heard anything yet
    Hong Kong. open
    Saudis, open
    South Korea, have approached the FCO
    Japan, not sure
    Singapore, not sure at this time
    India, open to talks (not sure whether they've approached the FCO yet)

    If you want to say that we shouldn't do anything with countries we do little with you may want to check that we are doing little. Tomorrow's market is important is more important than yesterday's.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Except we don't care about what happens today, by the time anything happens today is history. In reality when are we going to be leaving? If the next PM is sensible it will be at least 2019. So let's crunch the numbers..for you to ignore again:

    Exports to the EU 2015: ~£130bn, 44% all exports, 0.7% annual contraction
    This gives us a total of about £290bn exports
    Top 10 non-EU exports totals £120bn with average annual growth of 7.7%

    Let's take these figures forwards to 2019. We'll assume the other £40bn remains stagnant (actually it would grow), and that the stronger exports neutralises that EU contraction, and has no effect on the non-EU top 10, so it stays at 7.7% (in effect giving the EU the best chance it has). Come 2019 we have the following: EU exports are still at £130bn, to most of the rest of the world still £40bn, to the top 10 about £160bn or so. When we take the rounding out those top 10 now make up about 50% of all exports, the EU is down below 40% and still dropping. So now let's look at those top 10:

    Right up at the top we get the USA, TTIP not going anywhere, the joys of a republican congress pushing for trade talks to start
    Second, Switzerland, open to negotiations
    Third, China, don't like dealing with the EU, express a willingness to enter into negotiations in the near future
    UAE, not heard anything yet
    Hong Kong. open
    Saudis, open
    South Korea, have approached the FCO
    Japan, not sure
    Singapore, not sure at this time
    India, open to talks (not sure whether they've approached the FCO yet)

    If you want to say that we shouldn't do anything with countries we do little with you may want to check that we are doing little. Tomorrow's market is important is more important than yesterday's.
    You might not care what happens today, but businesses and those wanting jobs will. I never said we shouldnt do anything about expanding amrkets, that's just typical you.Review it in five and ten years time when we see how many new trade deals and markets we have. Meanwhile its a bit oremature to start going on about trade deals until we have made substantive progress.

    I like your extrapolation, can't see that going wrong anywhere.....
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    WOOP WOOP WOOP!!!

    Breaking News: Australia calls for Brexit Deal

    Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055

    Its happening people!! Things are hopefully going to work!!
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    WOOP WOOP WOOP!!!

    Breaking News: Australia calls for Brexit Deal

    Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055

    Its happening people!! Things are hopefully going to work!!
    I wonder what we'll trade with each other...
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    I wonder what we'll trade with each other...
    http://dfat.gov.au/trade/resources/Documents/uk.pdf

    You're looking at about £3bn each way in services, about half a billion more sold to Australia than purchased from. We sell over half a billion worth of cars, over a quarter of a billion in drugs with nearly the same again in other pharmaceutical products and over £100m in printed products, in total about £3.5bn in services and a similar amount of goods.

    We then buy from them £300m gold, 200m alcohol nearly 200m in lead, and similar again in pearls and gems, I also expect not insignificant amounts of uranium as our nuclear capacity increases, all in all about £3bn in services and £2bn in goods. That's before forex changes and tariff removal.

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    WOOP WOOP WOOP!!!

    Breaking News: Australia calls for Brexit Deal

    Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055

    Its happening people!! Things are hopefully going to work!!
    I don't know why you are so excited, Britain and Australia already have a lot of trade, plenty of Australian wine in the shops. The problem is, if trade with the EU falls, would these countries be able to make up the difference and can Britain provide what they want at the right price and does Australia have what Britain wants to buy?
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    I don't know why you are so excited, Britain and Australia already have a lot of trade, plenty of Australian wine in the shops. The problem is, if trade with the EU falls, would these countries be able to make up the difference and can Britain provide what they want at the right price and does Australia have what Britain wants to buy?
    Trade with the eu has fallen 10% in the last decade already.

    He's excited as this is one of the reasons so many wanted brexit.
    It's not the biggest of deals but it's a start.

    Anyway the debate is over


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    (Original post by Maker)
    I don't know why you are so excited, Britain and Australia already have a lot of trade, plenty of Australian wine in the shops. The problem is, if trade with the EU falls, would these countries be able to make up the difference and can Britain provide what they want at the right price and does Australia have what Britain wants to buy?
    Trade with the eu is fairly stable 1 it has dropped slightly with stagnation of their economy, but it falls massively proportionally because trade is booming with the wider world where there is very healthy growth, double digit export growth with some of the larger partners

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