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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I'm sure the graph is true, but of course it would look very different if drawn from 6 July 2005 to now.
    Not accepting the statistics as they stand just because it doesn't fit into your world view, eh? Why don't you condemn Irish people as vigorously as you condemn Muslims for the actions of a minority? After all, a minority of irish people did these terrorist attacks, just as is the case with Islam
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Where is the evidence he yelled 'Allah Ackbar?'
    I want solid proof not conjecture and rumour
    Eye witnesses.
    If you honestly try to pretend this is not a Islamic terrorist attack, despite the calls from ISIS to attack in that way previously, despite all the evidence - his familial background, even down to his name - then you are a fool.

    People call it the 'religion of peace' after they tore apart their own countries, then move through the West doing the same with terrorist attacks. ********.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Dear Muslim Community of TSR

    Following the events of the Nice terror attack, I'm wondering how you all feel whenever you hear or see on the news about a terrorist attack happening somewhere in the world, especially, but not limited to, the western world. I know the vast majority of muslims (both on TSR and irl) are peaceful and wish to just get on with their lives without being stereotyped as a terrorist or ISIS nut.

    If you are muslim and reading this please post below, I would very much appreciate it.

    Just to make it clear I do not associate muslims with terrorism and I don't want this thread to turn into a hate debate. I just want honest thoughts and reactions

    Have you ever experienced Islamophobia because of terrorist attacks happening personally? That is what I'm trying to get at here.
    you could make this thread after any of the hundreds of islamist attacks in recent times, all of which are driven by the same motivation. i suspect youd conclude the same- most muslims are decent people, but are the isalmic community doing enough to stop the islamist ideology in its tracks? look at tsr for example and isoc - compare amount of posts regarding anti extremism in islam to say, israel or usa, or other parts of the world where nation states are fighting islamist extremism. and who do you think the vocal support goes to form members of Isoc?
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Not accepting the statistics as they stand just because it doesn't fit into your world view, eh? Why don't you condemn Irish people as vigorously as you condemn Muslims for the actions of a minority? After all, a minority of irish people did these terrorist attacks, just as is the case with Islam
    No, that's not why I said that, I just feel it doesn't help to underplay the current Islamist terror threat by using a false statistical paradigm any more than it does to overplay it. Clearly the main current terror threat is from IS, extreme Jihadis and young Muslims living in the West they have inspired to act on a freelance basis. We can't avoid that.

    I do think that overall the threat is exaggerated - clearly this is not a war, as some would have us believe, it is an indigenous extremist terror threat. Our survival as countries is not at stake, theirs is, even if the survival of some individuals here is threatened. At least so far - if IS manage to obtain nukes or something, then obviously that would change.
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    (Original post by celloel)
    Eye witnesses.
    If you honestly try to pretend this is not a Islamic terrorist attack, despite the calls from ISIS to attack in that way previously, despite all the evidence - his familial background, even down to his name - then you are a fool.

    People call it the 'religion of peace' after they tore apart their own countries, then move through the West doing the same with terrorist attacks. ********.
    Can you post an article where they say that that isn't the Daily Mail or Express or some other right wing rag?

    Stereotyping people on their name is ridiculous. We should judge people as individuals. Please explain to me what his familial background has to do with this? Just because he was a Tunisian? You know terrorism can be committed by any nationality, right?

    Again, solid evidence linking him to ISIS or you have no argument.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Dear Muslim Community of TSR

    Following the events of the Nice terror attack, I'm wondering how you all feel whenever you hear or see on the news about a terrorist attack happening somewhere in the world, especially, but not limited to, the western world. I know the vast majority of muslims (both on TSR and irl) are peaceful and wish to just get on with their lives without being stereotyped as a terrorist or ISIS nut.

    If you are muslim and reading this please post below, I would very much appreciate it.

    Just to make it clear I do not associate muslims with terrorism and I don't want this thread to turn into a hate debate. I just want honest thoughts and reactions

    Have you ever experienced Islamophobia because of terrorist attacks happening personally? That is what I'm trying to get at here.
    I feel the same as every other normal human being feels, this is such a stupid question.

    And yes, I was bullied beyond belief after 9/11 in school, had people throw rocks at my house etc. I'm just glad we decided to move to a nicer neighbourhood where people aren't so ignorant. It's not nice having that happen to you as a 7 year old.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    That is a ridiculous comparison and you know it is, the Nazi's were a significant political force wielding immense power in the country that they were elected. Furthermore, I have yet to see muslims gassing westerners in gas chambers en masse. The muslim community of Europe does not have that much power. The vast majority of muslims are peaceful and non violent
    Are ISIS not a significant political force? 300,000+ fighters, plenty more supporters and sympathisers, carving through territories like there's no tomorrow and butchering anybody that gets in their way. I'd suggest they definitely are a significant force.
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    It's very annoying rather than upsetting now that Islam is always considered with terrorism and these attacks - it's so frequent that as soon as something happens, Islam and terrorism is the first thought.
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    (Original post by ATW1)
    Are ISIS not a significant political force? 300,000+ fighters, plenty more supporters and sympathisers, carving through territories like there's no tomorrow and butchering anybody that gets in their way. I'd suggest they definitely are a significant force.
    ISIS is not representative of 1.6 billion muslims around the world, most of whom have no desire to kill anyone. Furthermore calling ISIS a 'state' is dubious. They don't have an official administrative territory or any kind of official positions in any countries political cabinet. Anyone who has even taken one statistic class knows that 300,000+ is not a representative sample.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    I could honestly say the same thing about a minority of the indigenous white male population following neo-nazism. In first year at uni one of my flatmates told me about a guy he knew of in Leeds tying up a jewish teenager and torturing them several hours straight. Don't act as if young white males are not violent too
    I'm not in defense of white young males or nazis. I'm not acting like they're some sort of angels just because they're Caucasian. Being a Caucasian Muslim myself, I'm condemning uneducated Muslim men and women in the United Kingdom and Europe that preach ******** and concluding they are a heard of mental sheep that could break any minute causing harm to whom they wish. This worries me, as a 16 year old girl in the uk because I feel unsafe being clad in what I want which defines me as a Muslim.

    All I can say is that the worst is yet to come.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    No, that's not why I said that, I just feel it doesn't help to underplay the current Islamist terror threat by using a false statistical paradigm any more than it does to overplay it. Clearly the main current terror threat is from IS, extreme Jihadis and young Muslims living in the West they have inspired to act on a freelance basis. We can't avoid that.

    I do think that overall the threat is exaggerated - clearly this is not a war, as some would have us believe, it is an indigenous extremist terror threat. Our survival as countries is not at stake, theirs is, even if the survival of some individuals here is threatened. At least so far - if IS manage to obtain nukes or something, then obviously that would change.
    There is no doubt that ISIS is the most significant terror threat of current years, however, whether or not they can be considered as muslims is a matter of subjective opinion. Do muslims kill other muslims en masse? The largest victims of this ISIS uprising by far is other muslims, most likely the nice peaceful ones that the world needs more of.

    Most muslims will say ISIS are not muslims because their actions violate what the Qu'ran says about murder and killing. Non muslims will say that ISIS is merely fulfilling other verses of the Qu'ran. So it is difficult to say. ISIS no doubt sees other muslims as 'non-muslim' but to the rest of the world all muslim denominations are muslim regardless f whether they are Sunni, Shia, Wahhabist or some other denomination of Islam.

    I do however, agree with the bolded, ISIS are not a significant military threat to the West as of yet. However, more action is needed to prevent the ISIS situation from deteriorating further.
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    (Original post by celloel)
    Eye witnesses.
    If you honestly try to pretend this is not a Islamic terrorist attack, despite the calls from ISIS to attack in that way previously, despite all the evidence - his familial background, even down to his name - then you are a fool.

    People call it the 'religion of peace' after they tore apart their own countries, then move through the West doing the same with terrorist attacks. ********.
    Islam does not ravage Muslim countries , they were fine before the west came
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    (Original post by AKC...)
    To be honest, I'd prefer Islam to not be dragged down into this. It's political, any motives in these attacks are all about geographical/economic control. Nothing more, nothing less.
    Stop reducing it to something less.
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    I'm a Muslim and of course it upsets me. Have I ever experienced Islamophobia? Yeh, and so have a few other Muslims I know. Shame really.
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    Muslims did not tear apart their own countries, the West did because they wanted oil. The Muslim world was stable enough before the West interfered.
    Furthermore, ISIS, whether they called for this attack or not are not Islamic.
    As for the extremists who kill innocents, they form less than 0.003% of the world Muslim population.
    Islamist attacks only constitute 0.7% of terrorist attacks in Europe
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    I feel horrified, disgusted, upset, and scared.

    When I go online and read the youtube comments, there's more and more people hating Islam. The comments section are filled with "**** you Islam" and "I hate Muslims" and "Let's all burn the Quran" which really upsets me. And scares me because it's a sign of Qayamat (judgement day). I am scared for the future for Muslims and everybody in general. I hate that there is so much hate and terror in the world, and how Muslims get blamed for most of it.

    I have gone through a lot of bullying and hate/racism just for having brown skin/wearing Pakistani clothes in public. So I can't imagine what more conservative Muslims i.e women who wear hijab/burka go through on a daily basis. It's sad.
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    (Original post by chelseafc141)
    Muslims did not tear apart their own countries, the West did because they wanted oil. The Muslim world was stable enough before the West interfered.
    stable apart from the few centuries where sunnis were going round exterminating shias and vice versa. Oil money simply allowed them to ditch the swords daggers and upgrade weapons to the 21st century level. unfortuanltey it also dragged the west into what was simply an islamic issue.
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    Furthermore, ISIS, whether they called for this attack or not are not Islamic.
    1. its a caliphate, more islamic than any other islamic land around nowadays (hence the problems)
    (Original post by chelseafc141)
    As for the extremists who kill innocents, they form less than 0.003% of the world Muslim population.Islamist attacks only constitute 0.7% of terrorist attacks in Europe
    really :confused: who is responsible for the other 99.3% - let me guess , israel?
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    (Original post by sameehaiqbal)
    I feel horrified, disgusted, upset, and scared.

    When I go online and read the youtube comments, there's more and more people hating Islam. The comments section are filled with "**** you Islam" and "I hate Muslims" and "Let's all burn the Quran" which really upsets me. And scares me because it's a sign of Qayamat (judgement day). I am scared for the future for Muslims and everybody in general. I hate that there is so much hate and terror in the world, and how Muslims get blamed for most of it.

    I have gone through a lot of bullying and hate/racism just for having brown skin/wearing Pakistani clothes in public. So I can't imagine what more conservative Muslims i.e women who wear hijab/burka go through on a daily basis. It's sad.
    How is hate towards Muslims and Islam a sign of fictional Judgement Day? It's been going on since at least the Crusades...
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    How is hate towards Muslims and Islam a sign of fictional Judgement Day? It's been going on since at least the Crusades...
    I never said that?

    I was talking about the terrorist attacks...
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    (Original post by sulaimanali)
    It's very annoying rather than upsetting now that Islam is always considered with terrorism and these attacks - it's so frequent that as soon as something happens, Islam and terrorism is the first thought.
    you have tobe honest im sure its the first thought amoung muslims too when something happens. its inevetable given the uncontrollled spread of political islam
 
 
 
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