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    (Original post by KardasDragon)
    I guess im going to respond en mass here.

    I have realised I've made a few mistakes here and there, especially after consulting the World Rankings Tables. I'm posting a revised version here:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...wuk/edit#gid=0

    The only member of Tier 2 that I would consider putting above are LSE and Imperial. Durham, Warwick, Bristol are NO DIFFERENT to Cardiff and Liverpool (seriously stop bashing these).
    LOL.

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    Oh lord.
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    Surely it would be wiser to rank universities in terms of specific fields.
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    (Original post by KardasDragon)
    Durham, Warwick, Bristol are NO DIFFERENT to Cardiff and Liverpool (seriously stop bashing these). Yes Durham may be better at law, but Cardiff can trump it in the pharmacy department.
    All Tier 2s are very similar in the way they are bulit and run. UCL and King's are no different to the rest of the pack.
    Well for instance Warwick is excellent and nationally near the very top in Maths, Economics, Computer Science. That's several subjects. Durham is renowned for many subjects, not just Law; as far as I know it's a very good all rounder, moreso than Cardiff and Liverpool. I could say similar for Bristol. UCL is an internationally recognised university which is extremely successful in world rankings, so it definitely trumps many of the unis in your Tier 2.
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    (Original post by humanteaparty)
    Oxford is really overrated atm and I believe that imperial should take its place.
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    (Original post by skeptical_john)
    I'm well read in the subject of social mobility. Here are a few examples of recent articles, I can recommend a few books if interested.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35641061
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5723662.html
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/myth-merito...ld-lie-1561771
    http://www.legalcheek.com/2016/02/re...xbridge-elite/

    "all other things being equal" is a hypothetical term used in science. Obviously they never are but it's how you try and determine which variables make a difference.
    My original point is that your degree doesn't matter years down the line. Choosing professions with skewed entry profiles is of course going to produce skewed profiles 5 years down the line. And before you say it, I'm of the opinion that the reason those professions are so lop sided is because of a high financial barrier to entry; not because of degree institution.

    If you are so in favour of social mobility then stating that certain degrees will always confer an advantage is a self fulfilling prophecy; because people on here from 'lower' uni's will not bother applying for jobs because they have been told they stand no chance. 10 years ago on here, I was one of those people.

    I'm amazed that you think people are just handing out high flying jobs to their mates like confetti. If they did that, then very quickly the employers funding these jobs would be headed south.

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    As a third party, I think you fit that description more than skeptical

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    I am actually amazed that a TSR 'support worker' is perpetuating the myth that certain degrees are better than others. Its one thing for people like OP to attempt to do it, its quite another to be sanctioned by someone associated with the site.

    I'm probably the only person in this thread who has actually hired an oxbridge grad. Last year I took on an oxford medicine grad. He was great at interview, but couldn't do the actual job to save his life. When a permanent position came up later in the year, I gave it to an applicant who had gone to a uni somewhere in the relegation zone of the league tables because he could actually do the job I needed him to do. I'm disappointed in myself obviously for being fooled at interview, but this is kind of my point; an oxbridge degree might get your foot in the door, but it wont keep it there if you aren't good enough.

    Anyway princepieman, tell me, what is your substantial experience of the world then?
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    (Original post by KardasDragon)
    I guess im going to respond en mass here.

    I have realised I've made a few mistakes here and there, especially after consulting the World Rankings Tables. I'm posting a revised version here:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...wuk/edit#gid=0

    The only member of Tier 2 that I would consider putting above are LSE and Imperial. Durham, Warwick, Bristol are NO DIFFERENT to Cardiff and Liverpool (seriously stop bashing these). Yes Durham may be better at law, but Cardiff can trump it in the pharmacy department.
    All Tier 2s are very similar in the way they are bulit and run. UCL and King's are no different to the rest of the pack.

    I've since moved up most of the speciality universities to Tier 3 and might even put a few in Tier 2. SOAS is not moving though. Tier 4 is now made of Universities that have atleast one world class subject (often more) but fall behind in most others. Tier 5 are those that have a top tier domestic-level subject or score better overall. Tier 6 is unchanged. Tier 7 is now comprised Tier 6s that scored extrememly poorly in Student Experience Surveys. Academically they might be Tier 6, but all indicators are showing that there is always a better choice.
    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not getting dragged into another pointless debate where I have to defend UCL (what is it about TSR that breeds UCL-hate?), suffice to say you're wrong.
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    (Original post by trinculo)
    this is like a 40 year old virgin making a list of which instagram models and film stars he'd like to have sex with the most.
    looooooooooool
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    I think Imperial and LSE deserves their own tier behind Cambridge and Oxford. Then shift the rest of the unis tier backwards. And also move Liverpool back an extra tier.

    (Original post by Snufkin)
    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not getting dragged into another pointless debate where I have to defend UCL (what is it about TSR that breeds UCL-hate?), suffice to say you're wrong.
    It's not hate. They're just overrated. And given the grades needed to get in, you might as well apply to a better uni with the same grade requirements
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    My version is this:

    Tier 1

    Self explanatory.

    University of Oxford

    University of Cambridge

    Imperial College, London

    University of Manchester

    University College London

    London School of Economics


    I don't mind the other ones, but I think that Oxbridge and some London Universities are in the same tier. You should research about the Golden Triangle.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    My version is this:

    Tier 1

    Self explanatory.

    University of Oxford

    University of Cambridge

    Imperial College, London

    University of Manchester

    University College London

    London School of Economics


    I don't mind the other ones, but I think that Oxbridge and some London Universities are in the same tier. You should research about the Golden Triangle.
    I don't understand manchester. In some rankings they're around 7th in the country. In others they're around 20th. All the other unis are consistent with their rankings in different sites
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    (Original post by lucabrasi98)
    I don't understand manchester. In some rankings they're around 7th in the country. In others they're around 20th. All the other unis are consistent with their rankings in different sites
    I think Manchester's quality is top notch. It should be classed as Tier 1, but many people, especially on TSR, seem to despise Manchester.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I think Manchester's quality is top notch. It should be classed as Tier 1, but many people, especially on TSR, seem to despise Manchester.
    I don't despise Manchester but I fail to see what is special about it relative to places like Bristol, Durham, Warwick, KCL, St Andrew's. It's great for physics, I know that much, but I don't see anything overall special about it, good industry connections or what (to be fair I have a relative in his late 20s who I think went to Manchester and quickly got an excellent job)?
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    I don't despise Manchester but I fail to see what is special about it relative to places like Bristol, Durham, Warwick, KCL, St Andrew's. It's great for physics, I know that much, but I don't see anything overall special about it, good industry connections or what (to be fair I have a relative in his late 20s who I think went to Manchester and quickly got an excellent job)?
    Facilities are great, industry contacts are top notch and it has an overall decent rating as a University. The rankings are often biased towards Oxbridge and London, but some recognise that Manchester is top notch.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Facilities are great, industry contacts are top notch and it has an overall decent rating as a University. The rankings are often biased towards Oxbridge and London, but some recognise that Manchester is top notch.
    It seriously can't be more obvious that you are/were at Manchester. The bias is real.

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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    It seriously can't be more obvious that you are/were at Manchester. The bias is real.

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    It is not bias, it is the reality of how good Manchester really is.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    It is not bias, it is the reality of how good Manchester really is.
    Manchester is good. Alongside LSE/ICL (let alone Oxbridge)? Not in a thousand years.

    Thanks for the laugh though.

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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    Manchester is good. Alongside LSE/ICL (let alone Oxbridge)? Not in a thousand years.

    Thanks for the laugh though.

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    Frankly, I think Manchester is a top University. It is not a joke, but it is odd that you see it as being a joke. It is fair. A university's reputation is down to how people see it.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Frankly, I think Manchester is a top University. It is not a joke, but it is odd that you see it as being a joke. It is fair. A university's reputation is down to how people see it.
    You think it's top because you went there.

    It's the definition of bias.

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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    You think it's top because you went there.

    It's the definition of bias.

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    Believe what you want, mate. To me, it is not bias.
 
 
 
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