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    (Original post by jape)
    The way that six years of David Cameron "woke people up" to the fact that retrograde commie cranks were the answer to all our problems? I missed that particular awakening.
    Why you so hostile? 😘
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    (Original post by Castro Saint)
    Why you so hostile? 😘
    Not hostile - that's precisely what he is.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    I'd definitely vote for Corbyn if he controls immigration numbers, Leaves the single market, Follows an Australian points based system and Fires the blairite EU supporting Labour politicians.

    But this video of Corbyn tells me that is not going to happen:
    Why don't you vote for UKIP then?
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    Labour is a disgrace. Long live a tory government!
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    It is not a personality cult. Corbyn has a vision and we are moving towards that vision. Sadly, some people are trying to derail this development.
    Isn't that called democracy? Corbyn publically supports the idea of democracy yet denounces critics of being part of a mythical establishment based conspiracy against him. Dictators make similar claims but their critics tend to be shot. Is Corbyn a wannabe dictator? He certainly doesn't seem to have compromise in his lingo.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Isn't that called democracy? Corbyn publically supports the idea of democracy yet denounces critics of being part of a mythical establishment based conspiracy against him. Dictators make similar claims but their critics tend to be shot. Is Corbyn a wannabe dictator? He certainly doesn't seem to have compromise in his lingo.
    Corbyn believes in democracy. is it wrong to say that there is a mythical establishment against him. Wasn't there one against Tatcher, Blair and Cameron (in modern times)?

    Corbyn has been blamed for everything since he took office 9 months ago. What compromise doesn't he have?

    We know that there is opportunism in Politics. Very few politicians enter politics to "help" their electorate. Most go in for the top job and it is sad that some Labour politicians are publicly putting self interest before the interest of the Party.
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    The thing that I find strange is that when UKIP gets people within its movement who hold objectionable views or do objectionable things - it's apparently because UKIP is a racist party and full of racists. UKIP sometimes ejects these people, but the perception persists.

    When Labour gets people within its movement who do such things - it's all a conspiracy and media lies. Labour doesn't get rid of these people, but tends to back them.

    Also, Cameron leaves office and puts his wife's hairdresser in for an MBE or whatever - and apparently that's the political scandal of the century.

    Labour has an anti-semitism scandal, appoints party member Shami Chakrabarti to chair an inquiry to investigate it- she promptly exonerates the party and then in a Home Affairs Select Committee on that same anti-Semitism, passes notes and advice to Jeremy Corbyn, then refuses to deny that she has been nominated for a Labour peerage, Momentum activists claim that such talk is a smear campaign against Corbyn.....and then it's confirmed that Chakrabarti has indeed been nominated for a Labour peerage having just chaired an independent inquiry into the Labour party.

    Let's see....MBE for nice haircuts......Peerage for not finding anti-Semitism in Labour party..... nope. Clearly David Cameron is the real villain here.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    The thing that I find strange is that when UKIP gets people within its movement who hold objectionable views or do objectionable things - it's apparently because UKIP is a racist party and full of racists. UKIP sometimes ejects these people, but the perception persists.

    When Labour gets people within its movement who do such things - it's all a conspiracy and media lies. Labour doesn't get rid of these people, but tends to back them.

    Also, Cameron leaves office and puts his wife's hairdresser in for an MBE or whatever - and apparently that's the political scandal of the century.

    Labour has an anti-semitism scandal, appoints party member Shami Chakrabarti to chair an inquiry to investigate it- she promptly exonerates the party and then in a Home Affairs Select Committee on that same anti-Semitism, passes notes and advice to Jeremy Corbyn, then refuses to deny that she has been nominated for a Labour peerage, Momentum activists claim that such talk is a smear campaign against Corbyn.....and then it's confirmed that Chakrabarti has indeed been nominated for a Labour peerage having just chaired an independent inquiry into the Labour party.

    Let's see....MBE for nice haircuts......Peerage for not finding anti-Semitism in Labour party..... nope. Clearly David Cameron is the real villain here.
    You should research about Shami before writing ill about her. She has done a great deal of good work. I think that she deserves the Peerage.

    She chaired an inquiry, who concluded that it was their opinion that widespread anti-semitism was not evident in the Labour Party and she was accused of lies. Really? So people like you will have been happy for her to have said that there was anti-semitism in the party, just to satisfy you?

    As usual from the media, they are saying that Shami's peerage is a "thank you" from Corbyn, which is an insult to Shami and the Labour Party.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    You should research about Shami before writing ill about her. She has done a great deal of good work. I think that she deserves the Peerage.

    She chaired an inquiry, who concluded that it was their opinion that widespread anti-semitism was not evident in the Labour Party and she was accused of lies. Really? So people like you will have been happy for her to have said that there was anti-semitism in the party, just to satisfy you?

    As usual from the media, they are saying that Shami's peerage is a "thank you" from Corbyn, which is an insult to Shami and the Labour Party.
    Got it. So when it was mooted that she was getting a Peerage, the Corbynites all said it was a smear. When it's confirmed, all of a sudden she deserves one?

    On the inquiry - have you ever seen anything so boldly ridiculous?

    The Home Affairs select committee interrogating Jeremy Corbyn, and the chair of the inquiry sitting behind Corbyn passing him notes? This is stuff that FIFA would be ashamed of. Keith Vaz had to tell her to stop. Was there anything so utterly shameless?

    I would have liked to have seen an inquiry chaired by someone who wasn't one of Corbyn's ilk and who had no stake in the outcome.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    Got it. So when it was mooted that she was getting a Peerage, the Corbynites all said it was a smear. When it's confirmed, all of a sudden she deserves one?

    On the inquiry - have you ever seen anything so boldly ridiculous?

    The Home Affairs select committee interrogating Jeremy Corbyn, and the chair of the inquiry sitting behind Corbyn passing him notes? This is stuff that FIFA would be ashamed of. Keith Vaz had to tell her to stop. Was there anything so utterly shameless?

    I would have liked to have seen an inquiry chaired by someone who wasn't one of Corbyn's ilk and who had no stake in the outcome.
    Like who? Corbyn is damned if he goes one way and damned if he went the other way.

    If Corbyn, as the next UK PM, saved the economy and brought jobs and prosperity to the UK, some people will still look for something to blame on him.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Corbyn has been blamed for everything since he took office 9 months ago. What compromise doesn't he have?

    We know that there is opportunism in Politics. Very few politicians enter politics to "help" their electorate. Most go in for the top job and it is sad that some Labour politicians are publicly putting self interest before the interest of the Party.
    Any boss that loses the confidence of three quarters of his team is doing something wrong plain and simple. Three quarters of Labour MPs are not all wrong.

    And your statement about the motivation of politicians who go into politics is completely wrong. It is true that some are career climbers, but if you talk to most MPs, all will talk about being motivated to make a difference and help their constituents.
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    No is the short and simple answer. He doesn't have credible policies and as a result Labour are 14 points behind in the opinion polls which is the largest gap in 7 years. I think also that until Corbyn appeals to 'Middle England', i.e business and the middle classes then he will not win in those key Labour-Tory marginals. Labour DID NOT lose last year because they were 'Tory lite' and accepted cuts but because voters did not trust them on the economy and immigration as well as a hostile right wing media focusing more on photo ops than actual policies and circumstances. He will lose Labour a lot of seats that they have held since the 1997 Blair landslide as well as the ones they have since gained-lurching too much to the left or too much to the right is never a vote winner.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Any boss that loses the confidence of three quarters of his team is doing something wrong plain and simple. Three quarters of Labour MPs are not all wrong.

    And your statement about the motivation of politicians who go into politics is completely wrong. It is true that some are career climbers, but if you talk to most MPs, all will talk about being motivated to make a difference and help their constituents.
    I disagree. I think that some politicians go into politics to make a difference, but many go in there for self interest. Nigel Farage spoke about these politiicians, with no true loyality, not even to the country that they claim to serve.

    If they went in to help their constituents, they won't give themselves salary increases, while their constituents suffered with falling wages. Or cut welfare and then cut taxes for the very rich etc. We need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    If a boss loses the confience of three quarters of his staff and there are claims of intentional chaos being caused. Then, I think there will be mass layoffs of people. The truth about those politicians is that they saw an opportunity and they took it.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I disagree. I think that some politicians go into politics to make a difference, but many go in there for self interest. Nigel Farage spoke about these politiicians, with no true loyality, not even to the country that they claim to serve.

    If they went in to help their constituents, they won't give themselves salary increases, while their constituents suffered with falling wages. Or cut welfare and then cut taxes for the very rich etc. We need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    If a boss loses the confience of three quarters of his staff and there are claims of intentional chaos being caused. Then, I think there will be mass layoffs of people. The truth about those politicians is that they saw an opportunity and they took it.
    When did MPs last give themselves a salary increase?
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    When did MPs last give themselves a salary increase?
    It seems that you are not following the news

    MPs received a 10% pay rise last year from £67K to £74K and will receive another one (1.3%) this year. This is bearing in mind that they capped public sector pay rise at 1%.

    Here are some links

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...lic-sector-cap

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016...n_9199758.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6865286.html
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    MPs received a 10% pay rise last year from £67K to £74K and will receive another one (1.3%) this year. This is bearing in mind that they capped public sector pay rise at 1%.
    Which is completely different from your implication.

    You were basically saying MPs awarded themselves a pay rise.

    They didn't.

    MPs pay has been out of their control for years now. They all agreed to have it independently determined by IPSA.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    Which is completely different from your implication.

    You were basically saying MPs awarded themselves a pay rise.

    They didn't.

    MPs pay has been out of their control for years now. They all agreed to have it independently determined by IPSA.
    Okay
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Isn't that called democracy? Corbyn publically supports the idea of democracy yet denounces critics of being part of a mythical establishment based conspiracy against him. Dictators make similar claims but their critics tend to be shot. Is Corbyn a wannabe dictator? He certainly doesn't seem to have compromise in his lingo.
    Corbyn the kinda guy who spends decades publicly denouncing his party's line, then immediately sacks Pat McFadden for denouncing his.*

    A gentler, kinder politics.....*
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    Got it. So when it was mooted that she was getting a Peerage, the Corbynites all said it was a smear. When it's confirmed, all of a sudden she deserves one?

    On the inquiry - have you ever seen anything so boldly ridiculous?

    The Home Affairs select committee interrogating Jeremy Corbyn, and the chair of the inquiry sitting behind Corbyn passing him notes? This is stuff that FIFA would be ashamed of. Keith Vaz had to tell her to stop. Was there anything so utterly shameless?

    I would have liked to have seen an inquiry chaired by someone who wasn't one of Corbyn's ilk and who had no stake in the outcome.
    The most shameless part of it all was the outcome! Momentum has a working relationship with MPAC for goodness sake. The same group so open in their Jew-hating that even the NUS no-platformed them! The group whose leadership posts David Duke (KKK) Holocaust denial material and who continuously perpetuate anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Remember when they lobbied against that Labour MP for being a Jew (they made a mistake and she wasn't lol). This is who Momentum were found conclusively to work with! They **** off the government for working with Saudi and they talked about Saudi executing that Shia preacher, even though Corbyn spent years on the take from the Iranian regime who execute Sunni preachers on a regular basis.*

    B b bb but he da most honestest guy in politics!!!111! *
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    no he can't. England is right wing for a start and labour has lost Scotland. UKIP will continue to take votes from them.
 
 
 
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