Muslim family kicked off plane in London after passenger complains

Islamaphobia is on the rise, people becoming more ignorant and right wing, prejudice and profiling increasing, anti-Muslim programs e.g. Prevent are being introduced...

Won't be long until Muslims will be forced to wear bright yellow cresent moons stitched into their clothes by the looks of it...

It's sad when people allow themselves to be ruled by irrational fear.

It's unfortunate that in this case the accuser was totally wrong, but we can't call them "evil" or "Islamophobic".

This could easily turn into another Rotherham...

So you're telling me that if the West had not "interfered" with the M.East, it would be paradise on Earth?

So is racially profiling black people and calling the police because I see a black person standing on a street corner doing nothing okay?

Islamophobia covers fear of Muslims or Islam

a fear of Muslims is completely unjustified and discriminatory, a fear of Islam is somewhat acceptable but stupid anyway - most people who actually fear Islam haven't even been to high percentage (ie 95%+) communities in remote parts of the world like India, Indonesia, etc, they do not run out with meat cleavers and try to behead non-believers on sight, lol

But you are socially right wing yourself

The so-called Islamic Society on TSR would implement such a rule for Shia and Ahmadi Muslims long before such a policy would happen in the UK.

Islamophobia covers fear of Muslims or Islam

a fear of Muslims is completely unjustified and discriminatory, a fear of Islam is somewhat acceptable but stupid anyway - most people who actually fear Islam haven't even been to high percentage (ie 95%+) communities in remote parts of the world like India, Indonesia, etc, they do not run out with meat cleavers and try to behead non-believers on sight, lol

You are right, most muslims do not go around killing people.

However, lets apply this very reasoning to National Socialists. I assume that you also condemn "Naziphobia" because most NSDAP members did not go around killing people either. Therefor it is an irrational fear, or phobia, isnt it?

I must admit that I find it confusing how, the left especially, can support an ideology that is far more right-wing than any modern Neo-Conservative in the US would ever dare to go.

I'm not "scared" of Islam, I just think it's a pile of crap. I don't even think you what "Islamophobia" is lol.

Yeah you also have no reason to fear national socialists. Being afraid of the Nazi regime is justified though, because many of them actively supported Hitler who actively ordered the gassing of millions of Jews, who conquered territory which was redistributed through internationally agreed treaties, who had secret police ordered to take any opponents of the Nazis into custody. Islam is far from this. You will find parts of it reminiscent of the same regime in ISIS-held territory, and you will see harsh punishments for what we would see as minor crimes.

What's more confusing is that anyone who has a respectful view of Islam and Muslims is instantly labelled as left wing. Generally I've found its something that people like you chuck into the pot because you are aware that your argument has no substance, so you think its an insult or somehow destabilises our argument to be labelled as 'left wing'. LOL

Profiling is a legitimate tool. Security cannot vet everyone, so they concentrate on those who fit the makeup of perpetrators of previous incidents of the type at issue.

Profiling black people would be appropriate if security was on high alert over imminent terrorist attack by an African-American violent terrorist organisation, for example.

Obviously, it will lead to innocent people being approached, but hey, big deal. I've been stopped and questioned when I hadn't done anything wrong. It was inconvenient but it didn't kill me, or even make me angry. Some people just need to suck it up and move on.

15% of Muslims are radicals/jihadists.

That's roughly 240,000,000 fundamentalists. Ironically more than nazis!

It's a rational fear.

Are all of your responses to posts cheap shots at the ISOC? No one in the ISOC would ever support that, including myself. Would expect better from you, although it seems you are keen to post gutter-worthy tripe.

How is it irrational?

We're living in a real fear of terrorism... sure the passengers got it wrong in this case, but that doesn't mean it's an "irrational" fear.

You think its a pile of **** no doubt because you're scared of it.

If its any consideration. When I watched the Sydney Siege live on Sky News unfolding back in 2014, I was in the same boat as you, I hated Islam for it and I hated Muslims for it - I wanted them to be gone. But as I became more and more educated on the issue, I realised what the actual source of the problem is, and its not Islam, its hateful people and terrorist groups.

If you want to challenge my definition of Islamophobia, go ahead. My definition is "a fear/hatred of Islam or Muslims".

That's very true, but it's very ignorant of some people to think that just because someone is writing in arabic, then they're planning to do a terrorist act. It's a shame that innocent people are getting dehumanised and targeted because they follow a certain religion.

Yeah you also have no reason to fear national socialists. Being afraid of the Nazi regime is justified though, because many of them actively supported Hitler who actively ordered the gassing of millions of Jews, who conquered territory which was redistributed through internationally agreed treaties, who had secret police ordered to take any opponents of the Nazis into custody. Islam is far from this. You will find parts of it reminiscent of the same regime in ISIS-held territory, and you will see harsh punishments for what we would see as minor crimes.

What's more confusing is that anyone who has a respectful view of Islam and Muslims is instantly labelled as left wing. Generally I've found its something that people like you chuck into the pot because you are aware that your argument has no substance, so you think its an insult or somehow destabilises our argument to be labelled as 'left wing'. LOL

I dont understand why you find issue with the "left wing" part. This is a general observation and I was adressing absolutely no one. All I wrote was "especially the left" which is correct.

Heres the thing. There is one reason, and one reason only why there are some moderate muslims. They chose to be moderate. They chose to not follow the Qur'an literally, word by word. To make it more clear, they chose to not blindly follow a religion that incorporates many values that are, coincidentally, also found in fascism. Furthermore, even the "moderate" muslims hold views that can not be considred moderate by any western standards. Open homophobia, xenophobia, bigotry and sexism are extremely wide spread in the respective regions. This is partly due to local culture and party due to the religion.

There is a reason the "west" has the most advanced societies and cultures in the history of mankind. We abandoned literal interpretations of religion. Thats why the most bible abiding conservative neighbourhodds in the US are also among the most uneducated.