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    (Original post by RagingWhoreMoans)
    Upside: No more bratty leftists and obnoxious women

    Downside: No more civilisation, more crime, basically Brazil
    You do realize Brazil isn't overwhelming white because, like the rest of the Americas, there actually were people before white people arrived? And that most of its "brown people" have been a result of mating between white people and native Americans?

    Or perhaps you will know that the overwhelming majority of immigration into Brazil has been from Europe, mostly from Portugal and Italy?

    Or at the very least you can acknowledge the fact that 100% of the cabinet right now are white males in Brazil.
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    You do realize Brazil isn't overwhelming white because, like the rest of the Americas, there actually were people before white people arrived? And that most of its "brown people" have been a result of mating between white people and native Americans?

    Or perhaps you will know that the overwhelming majority of immigration into Brazil has been from Europe, mostly from Portugal and Italy?

    Or at the very least you can acknowledge the fact that 100% of the cabinet right now are white males in Brazil.
    What he possibly means is that Brazil is a country with a white elite living in gated communities and black/brown proletariat living in perpetual violence.
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    Do you think that it was also deliberate policy that the population was once as much as 20% and is now in the low teens? That's a more significant proportional change. If we look back since the 1930s the white population in the USA has doubled. It's not being stifled at all.

    The fact that you think that sharing a country with people of other races is a 'hell' and that you tie your culture and identity inextricably to your race is why you're open to being accused of supremacy. You don't believe that your culture can be shared with people of a different skin colour. But culture and race are separate.
    You are talking about things that are not related at all. None of this has anything to do with immigration being an act of deliberate policy rather than something natural.

    And I don't care about "culture", I care about people. "Culture" is so amorphous and vague now that it isn't tied to ethnic groups, it doesn't really exist and only seems to be invoked for muddying the waters about racial discussions.

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    There is no 'corporate interest' in removing ethnic groups.

    European culture is ideas not skin tones. Same goes for China. And in a century's time China may well be a hot spot for immigration as it becomes a more modern economic superpower. Building trust between people of different heritage is part of becoming a better, more united species that's evolved passed judging others on skin colour. You can create a country with a single dominant culture for the sake of national unity or whatever but multiple races (via cultural assimilation) or you can create a country with multiple cultural traditions (and potentially just as many different races) for the perceived benefits of multiculturalism.
    The corporate interest that drives immigration should is very obvious.

    European culture and people are the same thing for me. Without a people, there is no basis for "culture". Culture for me is just what an ethnic group happen to be doing. German culture did not exist as some abstract before German people created it, Igbo people couldn't have created German culture, Korean people couldn't have created German culture, so "German culture" can be defined as "what German people are doing" and ethnicity and culture are the same thing.
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    Anyone else realise this article is 16 years old?
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    You are talking about things that are not related at all. None of this has anything to do with immigration being an act of deliberate policy rather than something natural.

    And I don't care about "culture", I care about people. "Culture" is so amorphous and vague now that it isn't tied to ethnic groups, it doesn't really exist and only seems to be invoked for muddying the waters about racial discussions.

    The corporate interest that drives immigration should is very obvious.

    European culture and people are the same thing for me. Without a people, there is no basis for "culture". Culture for me is just what an ethnic group happen to be doing. German culture did not exist as some abstract before German people created it, Igbo people couldn't have created German culture, Korean people couldn't have created German culture, so "German culture" can be defined as "what German people are doing" and ethnicity and culture are the same thing.
    What I'm saying is that there's no conspiracy going on to suppress white people. You're just talking about a change in proportions as if it shows some kind of decline in the number of whites. But you're right, this is getting away from the real point with you go on to discuss.

    This is the key. By creating the German culture the Germans became German. Same with everyone else. They founded their identity in a time with less racial diversity (arguably - some very old countries have had very diverse populations since centuries ago e.g. the British) and so their culture associated itself with the 'race'. Not so long ago Germany wasn't even a country. But the people of the region found commonality and turned that into a nation. But culture is the traditions and the beliefs that one generation passes onto the next and the preceding generation doesn't need to look exactly like the following one for the culture to be passed on. And culture absolutely exists. It's the thing that makes groups of people different besides appearance. If you believe there's no such thing as culture then you believe the only difference between one group and another is appearance. And how is that a basis for favouring any group above another? Culture is what you were taught - it's identity.

    Unless you can extricate race from culture then the western cultural tradition really will disappear. But it doesn't have to, nor is there reason to believe it will. German culture for example will always be that of the German people - but the German people do not all need to be white to have that culture.
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    why cant these brownies just **** off back home
    This is my home
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    My point is that we should not raise Japan up as this monoethnic paradise or as an example that a country can or should happily reject those from other countries.
    Why not? What is the problem with one race countries like Japan? I see nothing more than social advantages due to its being monocultural and monoracial.

    China will never become a immigration destiny.
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    Why not? What is the problem with one race countries like Japan? I see nothing more than social advantages due to its being monocultural and monoracial.

    China will never become a immigration destiny.
    There's nothing intrinsically wrong with a country with a largely homogenous racial demographic.

    But you mention social advantages - a nation of people who are allowed to grow suspicious, disdainful and ignorant - a nation of people diminished by that is not an advantage. That is not to say that the Japanese are like that or will become like that. Indeed Japan, like virtually all countries, is not actually monocultural or monoracial. Their culture has absorbed much.

    Why not? We're in the realm of futurist fiction now. Once China reforms both economically and socially and becomes more and more open and essentially 'westernised' it makes sense that more people will seek to make their fortunes there.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    What I'm saying is that there's no conspiracy going on to suppress white people. You're just talking about a change in proportions as if it shows some kind of decline in the number of whites. But you're right, this is getting away from the real point with you go on to discuss.

    This is the key. By creating the German culture the Germans became German. Same with everyone else. They founded their identity in a time with less racial diversity (arguably - some very old countries have had very diverse populations since centuries ago e.g. the British) and so their culture associated itself with the 'race'. Not so long ago Germany wasn't even a country. But the people of the region found commonality and turned that into a nation. But culture is the traditions and the beliefs that one generation passes onto the next and the preceding generation doesn't need to look exactly like the following one for the culture to be passed on. And culture absolutely exists. It's the thing that makes groups of people different besides appearance. If you believe there's no such thing as culture then you believe the only difference between one group and another is appearance. And how is that a basis for favouring any group above another? Culture is what you were taught - it's identity.

    Unless you can extricate race from culture then the western cultural tradition really will disappear. But it doesn't have to, nor is there reason to believe it will. German culture for example will always be that of the German people - but the German people do not all need to be white to have that culture.
    I wouldn't say there is a conspiracy, I would say there is a political, cultural and economic will to do so. It is obvious to me. That has all immigration and "diversity" has ever been about.

    German is an ethnicity. The ethnicity was formed, then what ever that ethnicity did was considered "German culture". They didn't suddenly think "oh I like sausage and beer! So do I! Lets call ourselves German!", they formed out of tribal and family connections organically. They didn't found their "identity" arbitrarily, their identity is an extension of their culture and their culture is an extension of their original ethnic kinship. What you are saying is like your family suddenly came together and started using the same surname just because they all liked the same things. No. Germans could not possibly be anything other than white, and well....German, it does not make any sense.

    And I don't care about abstract notions of "Western culture" that are defined by whoever currently has power. "Western culture" used to be Beethoven and Christianity, now it's twerking, transexuals and McDonalds. This is not culture but a lack of culture. A lack of culture caused by people not caring about their ancestors and what they built.

    Whatever you say nothing will ever change the fact that literally no one is Japan is looking at Sweden or France and thinking "Wow we need some of that diversity!", where as there are plenty of people looking the other way around.
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    Meh, this is not an issue. In the long term the human race is trending towards a "brown" future, so unless you honestly think skin-tone is that big a deal, this isn't something worth worrying about.

    Unless you're one of the weirdo's getting a sick sort of high from the prospect of "white extinction" in which case you need to go see a therapist.
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    Am I the only one who's noticed this article is SIXTEEN YEARS OLD.seriously, its older than a lot of users on this site. heck, 16 years ago I was in junior school (primary school years 3-6) still watching keenan and kel, thats how old it is.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    There's nothing intrinsically wrong with a country with a largely homogenous racial demographic.

    But you mention social advantages - a nation of people who are allowed to grow suspicious, disdainful and ignorant - a nation of people diminished by that is not an advantage. That is not to say that the Japanese are like that or will become like that. Indeed Japan, like virtually all countries, is not actually monocultural or monoracial. Their culture has absorbed much.
    If somebody is interested in foreign cultures he can easily be inform himselfs on the internet or travel to the said countries. There is no need for importing them. And even why would knoweldge of any culture be something crucial? It is worthless knowledge.

    Japan unlike Britain has no social conflict and that is the main advantage of homogenous nation. There is nobody in Japan who will complain for example halal meat or in extreme cases have an unemployment of certain group of people.

    Also homogenous nation have more trust among people which is good for the economy. This is one of reasons why is Japan and China developing while EU stagnating and its citizens live more miserably than 30 years ago.

    Why not? We're in the realm of futurist fiction now. Once China reforms both economically and socially and becomes more and more open and essentially 'westernised' it makes sense that more people will seek to make their fortunes there.
    The Chinese are not blinded and see perfectly what is happening in the West. They will certanly learn from its failures and not risk. They aired an openly racist commercials.
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    (Original post by quasa)
    Am I the only one who's noticed this article is SIXTEEN YEARS OLD.seriously, its older than a lot of users on this site. heck, 16 years ago I was in junior school (primary school years 3-6) still watching keenan and kel, thats how old it is.
    So? The debate is important. It seems Guardian was warning that in 2016 London will not have a British majority.
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    (Original post by Crassy)
    I wouldn't say there is a conspiracy, I would say there is a political, cultural and economic will to do so. It is obvious to me. That has all immigration and "diversity" has ever been about.

    German is an ethnicity. The ethnicity was formed, then what ever that ethnicity did was considered "German culture". They didn't suddenly think "oh I like sausage and beer! So do I! Lets call ourselves German!", they formed out of tribal and family connections organically. They didn't found their "identity" arbitrarily, their identity is an extension of their culture and their culture is an extension of their original ethnic kinship. What you are saying is like your family suddenly came together and started using the same surname just because they all liked the same things. No. Germans could not possibly be anything other than white, and well....German, it does not make any sense.

    And I don't care about abstract notions of "Western culture" that are defined by whoever currently has power. "Western culture" used to be Beethoven and Christianity, now it's twerking, transexuals and McDonalds. This is not culture but a lack of culture. A lack of culture caused by people not caring about their ancestors and what they built.

    Whatever you say nothing will ever change the fact that literally no one is Japan is looking at Sweden or France and thinking "Wow we need some of that diversity!", where as there are plenty of people looking the other way around.
    Economic forces (better prospects) and social forces (idolisation of the West) push people from non-Western countries to migrate to Western ones. Capitalist powers want an expanded work force (this is skilled and non-skilled workers) and political ones want a strong economy and have various ideological inclinations to accept it (such as the belief that 'all men were created equal' in America or the socialist belief in class not nationality dividing individuals). None of this is malicious intent against white people. None of this is some kind of engineered plot to make it so there's a higher proportion of one race over another. And it is reasonable to believe that this process will reverse at some point into the future when other countries become more developed. After all, European settlers travelled all across the globe once upon a time. And when people start migrating to China to benefit from an abundant economy and fascinating culture (that's hopefully finally abandoned one-party government) it won't be some malicious plot against the Han Chinese.

    Let me take your 'family' example, for indeed a nation can often be seen as a huge family. The culture is not the surname. Say that the Robertson family have a tradition where they eat duck caught in the pond outback every second Sunday. And say each parent reads the same stories to their children which are passed on for generations. And teaches them the same songs. And the same games. And lives in the same old house. If one day Mr Robertson adopts a son and that son grows up in the same house with the same songs, games, stories and meals - and then passes those on then they are family. The culture has been passed on. The collective memories. But no blood. What if a hundred years later Mr Robertson doesn't know his grandfather was adopted. He is still, nonetheless, Mr Robertson. And what he passes on will be no different. And that family can go on forever - because stories and songs last much longer than bloodlines.

    If you can accept someone of a different race or family as your own then you can have a culture and a nation that goes on forever. And the British (just to use the example that's closest to home) in adopting Normans, Viking and Germanic peoples and now due to globalisation people from even further away, are creating something much more enduring than could otherwise exist. The Anglo-Saxons aren't around anymore. Normans are rarely spoken of. But Britishness is something that has true staying power. Because when you remove race and culture from each other - and recognise people not for their shallow physical appearance but the things that matter then they're your people.

    Immigration didn't create twerking. And culture is something that continuously changes. Don't conflate all the things that exist today that you don't like (never mind McDonalds) with some kind of race-based prejudice. Beethoven and Christianity are still around. The legacy of the Roman Empire in Europe is less secure. Things change. The term 'Western culture' is abstract and that's because it's too broad. There are many Western cultures. France has a very distinct culture to Ireland for example. But both France and Ireland clearly have cultures.

    The issue that we face today isn't the clash of races but the clash of cultures. I presume you're referring to the controversy surrounding Islam in Europe today when you say that other countries might not want the same (Japan, especially the younger generation seems to be in awe of 'Western culture' in general). But Islam is a religion - teachings that are passed on. There are white, black and asian Muslims. In fact religion is probably one of the best examples of the unity and common identity that can exist between people of different races. What you need to do is separate the traditions and culture from the races. They're not the same thing.
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    (Original post by slaven)
    If somebody is interested in foreign cultures he can easily be inform himselfs on the internet or travel to the said countries. There is no need for importing them. And even why would knoweldge of any culture be something crucial? It is worthless knowledge.

    Japan unlike Britain has no social conflict and that is the main advantage of homogenous nation. There is nobody in Japan who will complain for example halal meat or in extreme cases have an unemployment of certain group of people.

    Also homogenous nation have more trust among people which is good for the economy. This is one of reasons why is Japan and China developing while EU stagnating and its citizens live more miserably than 30 years ago.

    The Chinese are not blinded and see perfectly what is happening in the West. They will certanly learn from its failures and not risk. They aired an openly racist commercials.
    You don't think we have things to learn from other cultures? We got democracy from the Greeks, most of our words from all over the place, curry from the Indians etc etc.

    It is inane to think that Japan has no social conflict. Have you ever been to Japan?

    Halal is part of the tradition of Islam. Islam has no race.

    Japan has economically stagnated for decades. China is growing because of it's unparalleled workforce size and almost unparalleled state intervention into the economy. Nothing to do with homogeneity.

    This isn't a matter of blindness or failure, 'the West' has not failed. It is wildly successful. And the south east emulates us and shows no sign of stopping anytime soon.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    You don't think we have things to learn from other cultures? We got democracy from the Greeks, most of our words from all over the place, curry from the Indians etc etc.
    Yes, that is why I am saying there is currently not any culture more successfully to the West. Though it is stagnating and it will change soon. Ironically what the Wesr can learn from other cultures is not to import any.

    As for Ancient greek culture is a heritage of Europe. So your example is not quite the best. All nation in Europe suceed the ancient Greeks directly or indirectly. Europe also got Christianity from the Greeks yet interestingly it is not seen as something positive.

    As for cury it is worthless and it is not of importance.

    It is inane to think that Japan has no social conflict. Have you ever been to Japan?

    Halal is part of the tradition of Islam. Islam has no race.
    I have not been in Japan but I need only to check the internet to see that Japan has no islamic terror attack, sharia patrols, rape gangs to come to conclusion that it has no social conflicts.
    The only conflict homogenous nation could have are class conflict but even that is a.minor problem in compared to above mentioned.

    [/QUOTE]Japan has economically stagnated for decades. China is growing because of it's unparalleled workforce size and almost unparalleled state intervention into the economy. Nothing to do with homogeneity.

    This isn't a matter of blindness or failure, 'the West' has not failed. It is wildly successful. And the south east emulates us and shows no sign of stopping anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
    Look Chinas neighbour India. It has also a large population and even cheaper workforce. India is still in poverty due to ethnic tension which used a lot resources to solve. The state had bigger problems than economy. It is because India is heterogenous.

    Of course the West has not failed yet but it will fail in the next decades. EU is falling apart. US is losing influence. And that all because the West is keeping to maintain its multi-culti utopia instead of learning from history.

    You know the Roman Empire fell apart because it allowed germanic settlers to migrate just like the EU is doing with the recent migrant crisis.
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    Yes, that is why I am saying there is currently not any culture more successfully to the West. Though it is stagnating and it will change soon. Ironically what the Wesr can learn from other cultures is not to import any.

    As for Ancient greek culture is a heritage of Europe. So your example is not quite the best. All nation in Europe suceed the ancient Greeks directly or indirectly. Europe also got Christianity from the Greeks yet interestingly it is not seen as something positive.

    As for cury it is worthless and it is not of importance.

    I have not been in Japan but I need only to check the internet to see that Japan has no islamic terror attack, sharia patrols, rape gangs to come to conclusion that it has no social conflicts.
    The only conflict homogenous nation could have are class conflict but even that is a.minor problem in compared to above mentioned.

    Look Chinas neighbour India. It has also a large population and even cheaper workforce. India is still in poverty due to ethnic tension which used a lot resources to solve. The state had bigger problems than economy. It is because India is heterogenous.

    Of course the West has not failed yet but it will fail in the next decades. EU is falling apart. US is losing influence. And that all because the West is keeping to maintain its multi-culti utopia instead of learning from history.

    You know the Roman Empire fell apart because it allowed germanic settlers to migrate just like the EU is doing with the recent migrant crisis.
    I used Greece as an example because I was thinking of Britain. As I discussed with someone else on this thread, Western is very broad.

    Curry's lovely mate. Sushi too.

    You're talking about cultural issues - all seemingly related to the most disturbed segments of Islam. These aren't an issue of race relations. And historically class conflict has been a pretty huge deal. Mostly because class is a far less trivial distinction between people.

    India isn't supposed to do better because the workforce is cheaper. That's not how economics work. A poorer workforce means less consumption and capital flight when other countries outsource to yours. These are all detrimental to the economy. One could easily point to the USA, a highly multicultural nation and it's economic success. And indeed there a huge number of racial groups in China. It is the culture that is largely homogenised (you can chalk that up to communism).

    The West is not going to 'fail' in the next few decades, not that I know how you're defining that.

    That's an almost nonsensical leap. Almost as bad as you using prejudices to declare why India and China are where they are. You're understanding of history and economics is severely tainted by that world view.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Let me take your 'family' example, for indeed a nation can often be seen as a huge family. The culture is not the surname. Say that the Robertson family have a tradition where they eat duck caught in the pond outback every second Sunday. And say each parent reads the same stories to their children which are passed on for generations. And teaches them the same songs. And the same games. And lives in the same old house. If one day Mr Robertson adopts a son and that son grows up in the same house with the same songs, games, stories and meals - and then passes those on then they are family. The culture has been passed on. The collective memories. But no blood. What if a hundred years later Mr Robertson doesn't know his grandfather was adopted. He is still, nonetheless, Mr Robertson. And what he passes on will be no different. And that family can go on forever - because stories and songs last much longer than bloodlines.
    Families are based on blood fundamentally. There are exceptions, but family is a concept of blood. The vast majority of people would rather have their own kids then adopt, most adopted kids are interested in who their biological parents are, and the vast majority of people who do adopt want to adopt kids from the same ethnic background. Your analogy is weak. Families are blood and so are nations. Religion and blood are the only things that link people on a deeper level. Everything else is a facade. Not a single non-white person in Europe looks at European history and identifies with the people involved on a deep level. Why would they? They aren't them. That's why ethnic minorities push for having their own cultures histories taught in schools, that's why BLM UK exists.

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    Immigration didn't create twerking. And culture is something that continuously changes. Don't conflate all the things that exist today that you don't like (never mind McDonalds) with some kind of race-based prejudice. Beethoven and Christianity are still around. The legacy of the Roman Empire in Europe is less secure. Things change. The term 'Western culture' is abstract and that's because it's too broad. There are many Western cultures. France has a very distinct culture to Ireland for example. But both France and Ireland clearly have cultures.
    Immigration did not create twerking lol, but it did come from black culture. My point is that I couldn't care less if what is usually defined as "western culture" is around or not. "Western culture" is just consumerism and liberalism with dumb and puerile black culture to keep morons entertained, alongside toxic creations such as feminism and transexualism. What you call "western culture" is an abomination to me, some fetid abortion of a Jew and an African sprinkled with glitter put on Youtube and given medication for anxiety....

    Now western culture in the real and recognisable sense would be "white culture", or "white christian culture" (depending on to what extent you see the west as an extension of the classical mediterranean world or not)
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    (Original post by Crassy)
    Families are based on blood fundamentally. There are exceptions, but family is a concept of blood. The vast majority of people would rather have their own kids then adopt, most adopted kids are interested in who their biological parents are, and the vast majority of people who do adopt want to adopt kids from the same ethnic background. Your analogy is weak. Families are blood and so are nations. Religion and blood are the only things that link people on a deeper level. Everything else is a facade. Not a single non-white person in Europe looks at European history and identifies with the people involved on a deep level. Why would they? They aren't them. That's why ethnic minorities push for having their own cultures histories taught in schools, that's why BLM UK exists.

    Immigration did not create twerking lol, but it did come from black culture. My point is that I couldn't care less if what is usually defined as "western culture" is around or not. "Western culture" is just consumerism and liberalism with dumb and puerile black culture to keep morons entertained, alongside toxic creations such as feminism and transexualism. What you call "western culture" is an abomination to me, some fetid abortion of a Jew and an African sprinkled with glitter put on Youtube and given medication for anxiety....

    Now western culture in the real and recognisable sense would be "white culture", or "white christian culture" (depending on to what extent you see the west as an extension of the classical mediterranean world or not)
    It's not a weak analogy, it's an introduction to a different way of looking at things and an explanation of the crucial difference between race and culture. Groups that share a culture are already composed of a myriad different races - e.g. the British, again using the closest example to home. And of course, it isn't a simple matter of 'adoption' as the entire race won't be supplanted in a single generation. Rather there will continue to be a mixture of races as there has always been. A mixture of blood too.

    No one is them. They're dead. And those of us without personal achievements to be proud of might look at, say, Shakespeare and think that, by virtue of skin colour, we are them - but we are not. But the culture that created them, created us so we can hope that we have the potential to do great things to. The non-racial level is the deepest one after all. Ethnic minorities ask for their own cultures to be taught because they have different cultures. If they didn't, they wouldn't. BLM is about perceived oppression of black people, simple as.

    I would avoid western culture as a term simply because it is far too broad. But when thinking of British culture I think of parliamentary democracy, classic literature, civil liberties, stereotypical British behaviours and so on. That's what I want to survive. And I want it to survive through future generations regardless of the percentage of them that are brown or whatever. There's no legacy in melanin. If I take it that only white people can have those things and promote those things and therefore reject assimilation and integration then the country will truly become unrecognisable and without identity, because we'll have chosen to let Britain fade away with a bizarre mish-mash of anglo-saxons, celts, normans, nordics and so on.
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    You're talking about cultural issues - all seemingly related to the most disturbed segments of Islam.
    Yes, I am using Islam to describe you the best my point. Of course I could use the example of let say Gypsies but I doubt you are informed about them.

    These aren't an issue of race relations. And historically class conflict has been a pretty huge deal. Mostly because class is a far less trivial distinction between people.
    True Islam is not a race relation but than again it does prevent SJWs to threat as it is. Use the example of blacks in US who develop its own contraculture which cause social conflicts.

    Class conflict were always at least brutal and all nations settled this type of conflict. Even China.

    India isn't supposed to do better because the workforce is cheaper. That's not how economics work. A poorer workforce means less consumption and capital flight when other countries outsource to yours. These are all detrimental to the economy.
    Well in China succed yet not in India. It is not that the Indians could not follow the example of.the Chinese

    "One could easily point to the USA, a highly multicultural nation and it's economic success"
    Yes, but they are living on the infrastructure of the times when the US was 85% white. For example the dollar replaced the Gold Standard. If that was not the case Obama would ruin the economy long time ago. USA has BLM riots shooting police. Not a good example.
    " And indeed there a huge number of racial groups in China. It is the culture that is largely homogenised (you can chalk that up to communism)."
    No, it is because of the fact that Chinas population is 90% ethnic Hans. The rest of 10% are many small etnicities to weak to compete with the Hans. Thus China is a homogenos nation and not diverse.

    That's an almost nonsensical leap. Almost as bad as you using prejudices to declare why India and China are where they are. You're understanding of history and economics is severely tainted by that world view.
    That is not prejudice that is reality which has a right-wing bias. i admit I am not an expert on economy but on hystory hell yes.
 
 
 
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