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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I don't think you've been listening to the news or their rhetoric, they're losing land, and they will not accept a divided Syria, they want it all, and some more, I doubt they would even agree to get around the negotiating table you propose because it's with two sets of infidels held by infidels; if they did agree it would only be to attempt an attack on it.

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    Yes ISIS are losing land in Iraq not but in Syria. In Iraq the US forces and coalition support both the Kurds and Iraqi ground forces, in Syria no ground forces are supported anymore. Except Russia supporting Assad.

    The only land ISIS has lost in Syria was taken by Turkey along the border but they compensated ISIS by demanding Kurds leave Manbij and west of Euphrates so ISIS can take it back.
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    (Original post by Zeus007)
    Its been known for a while that Turkey supports ISIS and buys oil from them. The reason being is because they dont want the Kurdish forces winning ground as they fear they will get stronger and be a threat to Turkey. Erdogan is a dictator who kills innocent Kurdish people everyday and his brainwashed followers in Turkey support him. Turkey has a horrific history full of bloodshed and genocide, however their people will never own up to this.

    In my opinion all support should be with the Kurdish people, they are secular and aren't living in the dark ages.
    WHOA WHOA WHOA ..... slow the sh** down!!!!!!!
    where did you get all these facts from? did you make them your in your sleep?
    I just wanna know where you got all these facts from seriously WHERE DID YOU GET THEM FROM?
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    (Original post by Zeus007)
    No the airstrikes need to stop. Its a big waste of money and all you're doing is killing more innocent civilians, i don't support that crap, not in my name. If you want to defeat ISIS you have to support a effective force fighting them and the Kurds are exactly that.
    2 things you're getting straight here:
    1. innocent civilians are getting killed
    2. leave the area and its people alone... (it's their land.... it's their responsibility to clear up the mess)

    one thing you're not getting straight:
    the Kurds are not an effective force for fighting Isis.... no force is effective and no force will ever be effective.... Isis can never be defeated because it's not in the plan for it to get defeated.... However, it can get vanished within a fraction of a second by a decision made by whoever is controlling it and whoever made in the first place. (just like Al Qaeda)

    you people are believing a game being played by higher powers... the whole world is basically being fooled by whoever is giving orders to Isis under the table!
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    1) The airstrikes in Syria seem to have very little effect against ISIS. The terror organisation is still very active. The US has withdrawn support for the Kurdish forces at the request of Turkey, so effectively there is no effective trustworthy ground opposition against Daesh.2) Airstrikes have caused significant damage and loss of life such as the 5 year old boy who was the victim of an airstrike. We should stop this when it causes lost of innocent lives! Just what are we gaining by hitting civilian targets? 3) Airstrikes are very expensive. With massive cuts to NHS, welfare, disability benefits pip, policing etc, money would be better spent on our public services instead of an ineffective air campaign, that's causing more damage and loss of life than its preventing.4) Time to let other countries sort the mess in Syria. Turkey seems overly keen all of a sudden, let them deal with Syria.5) Airstrikes encourage more terrorism as revenge and our involvement in Syria is only putting us in more danger not less, RE point 1. They're having no effect!6) Airstrikes are only adding to the refugee crisis as people leave Syria to avoid our bombing raids! Then we tell them they can't come to Britain, is that fair?
    money for war? yesmoney for NHS? nope!let the Russians destroy ISIS since they are doing a more effective job than the west and their so called allies
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    (Original post by &Hope)
    WHOA WHOA WHOA ..... slow the sh** down!!!!!!!
    where did you get all these facts from? did you make them your in your sleep?
    I just wanna know where you got all these facts from seriously WHERE DID YOU GET THEM FROM?
    Captured isis fighters where the Kurds interrogated them and they all said "we are getting support from Turkey and Saudi Arabia".
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    (Original post by &Hope)
    2 things you're getting straight here:
    1. innocent civilians are getting killed
    2. leave the area and its people alone... (it's their land.... it's their responsibility to clear up the mess)

    one thing you're not getting straight:
    the Kurds are not an effective force for fighting Isis.... no force is effective and no force will ever be effective.... Isis can never be defeated because it's not in the plan for it to get defeated.... However, it can get vanished within a fraction of a second by a decision made by whoever is controlling it and whoever made in the first place. (just like Al Qaeda)

    you people are believing a game being played by higher powers... the whole world is basically being fooled by whoever is giving orders to Isis under the table!
    Conspiracy theories are thought of for every incident that occurs in the world. You people are complete nut jobs.
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    (Original post by Zeus007)
    Conspiracy theories are thought of for every incident that occurs in the world. You people are complete nut jobs.
    :laugh:

    The only thing he's missing is the Jewminati who control it all.
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    and you believe anything these uneducated mindless zombie-tramp murderers and whoever captured them with no evidence being shown?????!!!!
    realistically speaking, yes they might actually be getting financial help from saudi arabia sense its regime/kingdom is corrupted... but from turkey... I don't think so
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    (Original post by &Hope)
    and you believe anything these uneducated mindless zombie-tramp murderers and whoever captured them with no evidence being shown?????!!!!
    realistically speaking, yes they might actually be getting financial help from saudi arabia sense its regime/kingdom is corrupted... but from turkey... I don't think so
    Are you for real? Where did all these foreign fighters come from to join ISIS? Through the damn TURKISH borders. There have been evidence countless times of Turkey buying oil from ISIS and I can't even be bothered to search it to show you because you can do it yourself.

    Mate i'm sure all you do is sit on your ass and talk about conspiracy theories while you saying disgusting words to these Kurdish fighters risking their lives to fight these terrorists who have killed countless people and raped innocent women.

    Are you okay in the head?
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    I don't necessarily think we (the UK) need to be bombing them. But someone does - America, Gulf States and the like. We're having very little effect on the situation.
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    The question we should be asking is why don't we stop the airstrikes in Syria, because all it's doing is killed thousands and millions of innocent adults and children who have nothing do with the likes of ISIS.
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    (Original post by Reachin4TheStars)
    The question we should be asking is why don't we stop the airstrikes in Syria, because all it's doing is killed thousands and millions of innocent adults and children who have nothing do with the likes of ISIS.
    The coalition has killed around 500 civilians. Where are you pulling thousands/millions from?
    These air strikes are sadly necessary, what's the alternative?
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    (Original post by Zeus007)
    Are you for real? Where did all these foreign fighters come from to join ISIS? Through the damn TURKISH borders. There have been evidence countless times of Turkey buying oil from ISIS and I can't even be bothered to search it to show you because you can do it yourself.

    Mate i'm sure all you do is sit on your ass and talk about conspiracy theories while you saying disgusting words to these Kurdish fighters risking their lives to fight these terrorists who have killed countless people and raped innocent women.

    Are you okay in the head?
    Mind that there is Lebanon and Iraq and Isis stands for 'in Iraq and Syria' so it would make so much sense if all the foreign terrorists came through Iraq, right?

    Where is the evidence for the oil trading? do you have videos or pictures? I've seen articles like that but sorry I've learnt through the years to not 100%-count on everything said on the news without much proof, just words

    and Mate I'm sure I don't set on my ass and talk about conspiracy theories just because one day I decided so, no.... I think conspiracy theories make more sense (and you can ask me why if you want) and solve a big puzzle and answer questions that people don't even bother to ask because they're afraid of uncovering ideas that cover the facade and lies in our society (everyone wants to believe that we're fine... everything is fine as long as our governments are protecting us... we're the victims... they're the bad guys... full stop, without digging deeper about the causes and the roots)

    and one more thing: I don't understand why you're in love with the Kurds so much... don't get wrong some of our closest friends are Kurdish and I got people at school are kurdish and nothing... literally nothing bad can be said about them....
    but from what I learnt from them is that what they really want ( I mean the main cause of their fighting in iraq and syria) is because they want to get something they wanted to get for a long long time out of this mess now... and that is their own land/nations as they have their language and traditions they always thought they deserve a nation for themselves... and honestly I predict Syria will be divided geographically one day and one of these divisions will belong to the Kurds
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    (Original post by Reachin4TheStars)
    The question we should be asking is why don't we stop the airstrikes in Syria, because all it's doing is killed thousands and millions of innocent adults and children who have nothing do with the likes of ISIS.
    same case with Iraq 2003.....
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    (Original post by Zeus007)
    Are you for real? Where did all these foreign fighters come from to join ISIS? Through the damn TURKISH borders. There have been evidence countless times of Turkey buying oil from ISIS and I can't even be bothered to search it to show you because you can do it yourself.

    Mate i'm sure all you do is sit on your ass and talk about conspiracy theories while you saying disgusting words to these Kurdish fighters risking their lives to fight these terrorists who have killed countless people and raped innocent women.

    Are you okay in the head?
    Problem is the yanks want to keep Erdogan happy so they've stopped supporting the YPG and told them to retreat back over the Euphrates leaving the people of Manbij to perish when ISIS retakes the city.

    My question is who will support the Syrian Kurds when they're forced all the way back to Kobane?

    In 2014 they had support from coalition airstrikes.
    In 2014 Kurdish Peshmerga helped save Kobane

    The US coalition has recently succeeded in dividing the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds. Peshmerga get far more supplies, aid and training whilst Syrian YPG no longer get any help whatsoever.
    Secondly Peshmerga are under control of Barzani a friend of Turkeys Erdogan, who is opposed to the PKK and YPG.

    So when the Syrian Kurds are beaten back by Daesh hungry for revenge to Kobani, who the hell will help them this time???

    Yanks who just want to keep Erdogan happy and Barzani and Peshmerga who also want to keep Erdogan happy.

    Btw Russia won't help either as they're trying to make friendship with Erdogan.

    Strange and bizzare as it may seem Assad is possibly the only one who might be able to make a deal to help Kurds. Because the Assad can't be any worse than Erdogan, the USA, Barzani or Russia.

    After all the Syrian Kurds have involuntarily held ISIS back from attacking Assads regime by taking Manbij and blocking their supply routes. If Assad could persuade Russia to help then the Kurds might be able to take back Manbij and a deal could be made because the only people I trust in Syria and the region are the Kurds and Assad.

    If I was Assad I'd be happy to see Syria divided between Kurds in the North and Assads regime.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Problem is the yanks want to keep Erdogan happy so they've stopped supporting the YPG and told them to retreat back over the Euphrates leaving the people of Manbij to perish when ISIS retakes the city.

    My question is who will support the Syrian Kurds when they're forced all the way back to Kobane?

    In 2014 they had support from coalition airstrikes.
    In 2014 Kurdish Peshmerga helped save Kobane

    The US coalition has recently succeeded in dividing the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds. Peshmerga get far more supplies, aid and training whilst Syrian YPG no longer get any help whatsoever.
    Secondly Peshmerga are under control of Barzani a friend of Turkeys Erdogan, who is opposed to the PKK and YPG.

    So when the Syrian Kurds are beaten back by Daesh hungry for revenge to Kobani, who the hell will help them this time???

    Yanks who just want to keep Erdogan happy and Barzani and Peshmerga who also want to keep Erdogan happy.

    Btw Russia won't help either as they're trying to make friendship with Erdogan.

    Strange and bizzare as it may seem Assad is possibly the only one who might be able to make a deal to help Kurds. Because the Assad can't be any worse than Erdogan, the USA, Barzani or Russia.

    After all the Syrian Kurds have involuntarily held ISIS back from attacking Assads regime by taking Manbij and blocking their supply routes. If Assad could persuade Russia to help then the Kurds might be able to take back Manbij and a deal could be made because the only people I trust in Syria and the region are the Kurds and Assad.

    If I was Assad I'd be happy to see Syria divided between Kurds in the North and Assads regime.
    As I said on the other thread I'm now convinced that you're secretly a jihadist supporter.

    You seem utterly convinced that IS are somehow are going to make a major turn around despite all evidence to the contrary.
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    (Original post by Razamataz666)
    precisely what was said in the 80's - we should fund Bin Laden because he can fight the Russians, and look where that went. Also look at Libya, its great now the dictator is gone right, oh wait - its a hive for terrorists and a complete mess. you idiots never learn from history, to truly defeat ISIS you need to destroy Saudi Arabia. and that aint gonna happen with you sissies.
    The west never funded Bin Laden. The USA and UK supported only native Afghan mujahideen like Ahmad Shah Massoud. There is not one single shred of evidence to suggest anything otherwise. Arab mujahideen were however generously bankrolled by Pakistan.
    This is one of the more infuriating myths that keeps getting regurgitated during foreign policy debates.
    I also love how easily progressive British liberals are willing to abandon the fight for democracy and human rights abroad if it requires any sort of effort to implement. Otherwise nah who cares just let them carry on getting oppressed by dictators.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    As I said on the other thread I'm now convinced that you're secretly a jihadist supporter.

    You seem utterly convinced that IS are somehow are going to make a major turn around despite all evidence to the contrary.
    Once again ISIS are losing in Iraq but not in Syria. That's simply because the US supports Iraqi Kurds who are led by Barzani who loves Erdogan.

    The reason why ISIS are winning in Syria is because the US does not support Syrian Kurds and sees the YPG as a socialist organisation who are upsetting their best friend Erdogan.

    The Syrian Kurds YPG are on their own now and there is now no effective ground force to fight Daesh. The only option for YPG is some sort of deal with Assad because Tbh both sides don't really have much choice.

    1) The YPG gets military support from Assad and Russian air forces to claim back what they are now losing to ISIS and stop advance of ISIS and thus help cut off supply routes to ISIS. That will save the regime from losing more territory to Daesh.

    2) YPG helps retake Manbij and take Al Bab and Raqqa from ISIS.

    3) The Kurdish North is given autonomy in a federal Syria in the same way that Iraqi Kurds enjoy autonomy.

    Both Assad and YPG can be winners if this happens.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Once again ISIS are losing in Iraq but not in Syria. That's simply because the US supports Iraqi Kurds who are led by Barzani who loves Erdogan.

    The reason why ISIS are winning in Syria is because the US does not support Syrian Kurds and sees the YPG as a socialist organisation who are upsetting their best friend Erdogan.

    The Syrian Kurds YPG are on their own now and there is now no effective ground force to fight Daesh. The only option for YPG is some sort of deal with Assad because Tbh both sides don't really have much choice.

    1) The YPG gets military support from Assad and Russian air forces to claim back what they are now losing to ISIS and stop advance of ISIS and thus help cut off supply routes to ISIS. That will save the regime from losing more territory to Daesh.

    2) YPG helps retake Manbij and take Al Bab and Raqqa from ISIS.

    3) The Kurdish North is given autonomy in a federal Syria in the same way that Iraqi Kurds enjoy autonomy.

    Both Assad and YPG can be winners if this happens.
    That's simply not true. The USA has not withdrawn support from the YPG, and still supports the YPG-led SDF, as does the rest of the West. The USA hasn't stopped air support for the YPG/SDF either. Indeed the USA has made it clear to Turkey that they are not to attack the SDF, since American strategy is still the same- the SDF is to lead ground operations against ISIS. ISIS is not winning and they haven't recaptured any Syrian Kurdish territory.
 
 
 
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