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    I've noticed humans love to find anything to complain or be pedantic about. In this society where we don't have the big issues of war and starving to death etc like some third world countries, what do we latch onto? Complaining about correct terminology for s*it that does *not* matter.

    People who call this hate crime are taking the p**s and making a joke for people in the past and present who have received actual hate crime for their colour or sexuality.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    no not never there are always exceptions to the rule but it's not the 'default' as you suggested
    what exceptions are you talking about?

    Yes he is but he's also a party member
    so what? he's employed by the people as a representative - if he should be "fired" then we need a recall system
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    He did it deliberately and in a way to cause offense

    as I have said they only know this person as a she so to call her 'he' on numerous occasions (and he was being a massive **** while doing it) is wrong and we expect better
    You are right they are being a **** but is that a reason to call the police?

    This is the perfect case where you have to ask yourself would you rather have your feelings protected by the government or freedom of expression which protects what people say to you as well as what you say to them?
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    I've noticed humans love to find anything to complain or be pedantic about. In this society where we don't have the big issues of war and starving to death etc like some third world countries, what do we latch onto? Complaining about correct terminology for s*it that does *not* matter.

    People who call this hate crime are taking the p**s and making a joke for people in the past and present who have received actual hate crime for their colour or sexuality.
    You better be careful. You may have hurt someone's feelings on this thread and thus get reported to the police for rape or some other made up offense.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    what exceptions are you talking about?



    so what? he's employed by the people as a representative - if he should be "fired" then we need a recall system
    continual hate crimes.

    Yes that's right.
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    (Original post by itsbillie)
    She'd already transitioned. He knew that she's a woman, and decided to misgender her out of ignorance and it disrespect just because she's transgender. To hell with all these edgy comments about attack helicopters; that joke died years ago, stop using it as a way of avoiding the fact that you don't understand the importance of recognising someone's gender and pronouns.
    Does being a **** warrant the police being called?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    her sex is female

    we don't get to decide what people identify as.
    Wrong on the first count, and right on the second,

    Using the linked article as a source, the councillor identifies as a transgender (not trans-sex) female, meaning he/she is a man who behaves partly as, and who tells people he is, a woman. Maybe he will have surgery and become a woman. Until then he has a penis and is still a human male. Maybe the article is wrong and the operation has already taken place, in which case she could really be a woman.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    continual hate crimes.

    Yes that's right.
    There was no hate crime which is why the police aren't investigating it as such. He needs to stop running to the papers with his victim mentality.
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    This is a police matter?

    Jesus ****ing christ, we've all lost our minds.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    You are right they are being a **** but is that a reason to call the police?

    This is the perfect case where you have to ask yourself would you rather have your feelings protected by the government or freedom of expression which protects what people say to you as well as what you say to them?
    it is tricky I know

    But I'd rather there weren't trans phobic bullies in the first place and if it takes the police to stop it then so be it (this is no different to racism)
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    This is utterly ridiculous and clearly not a hate crime, what a horrendous attack on free speech. Sure, I think it's definitely respectful to call a transgender person by whichever pronoun they want to identify as, but by no means should people be legally obliged to do so. Especially given that they were born, and still biologically are, a male, I fail to see how the man has done anything but perhaps be a bit rude. Calling the police is insane. It doesn't matter what they 'identify' as, it doesn't change their biological status. Hate crimes should only constitute continual harassment, systematic discrimination or incitements to violence, and this incident was none of those. People don't have the right not to be offended.
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    Luckily he wasn't Jewish, there would've been plenty more slurs
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    I'm completely pro LGBT and I think people should be mindful of which pronoun to use for anybody, but it seems, from that article, as though this was completely inadvertent and a mistake.
    Pretty thoughtless or careless yes, but not malicious. If it was an honest mistake and this Tory person is using it as a cheap shot I think that's pretty low.
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    The more transsexual people make issues about non-issues, the less I sympathize with them.
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    (Original post by Studentus-anonymous)

    Reminds me of this:
    Or of this

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    (Original post by JRKinder)
    This is utterly ridiculous and clearly not a hate crime, what a horrendous attack on free speech. Sure, I think it's definitely respectful to call a transgender person by whichever pronoun they want to identify as, but by no means should people be legally obliged to do so. Especially given that they were born, and still biologically are, a male, I fail to see how the man has done anything but perhaps be a bit rude. Calling the police is insane. It doesn't matter what they 'identify' as, it doesn't change their biological status. Hate crimes should only constitute continual harassment, systematic discrimination or incitements to violence, and this incident was none of those. People don't have the right not to be offended.
    I agree with you on all points except about the male still biologically being a male, regardless of having had a sex change. Not because this isn't true but because it's completely irrelevant to the argument. Yours (or the public's, or anyone's) opinion on what constitutes male or female doesn't affect the issue here of politeness and courtesy versus freedom of speech. People's views on sex and gender vary, but the fact that this was not a hate crime remains the same, regardless. I hope this makes sense.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    it is tricky I know

    But I'd rather there weren't trans phobic bullies in the first place and if it takes the police to stop it then so be it (this is no different to racism)
    So you are happy for the police to crack down on thought crime, it isn't tricky if they actually did something other than say something that offends someone fine but freedom of speech is there for a reason.

    What happened here isn't a criminal offence that is why it is not being treated as such and is instead being called a hate incident so why are police getting involved when nothing criminal illegal has happen?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    So you are happy for the police to crack down on thought crime, it isn't tricky if they actually did something other than say something that offends someone fine but freedom of speech is there for a reason.

    What happened here isn't a criminal offence that is why it is not being treated as such and is instead being called a hate incident so why are police getting involved when nothing criminal illegal has happen?
    it's not a thought crime

    he can think what he like but when words are used towards someone it crosses the line from thought to action

    trans phobic abuse is still abuse
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    trans phobic abuse is still abuse
    The use of a pronoun (particularly one that is factually correct) does not constitute abuse.
 
 
 
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