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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    Yeah I think we'll go left again in 15-20 years if we follow the same pattern.

    There was a decisive Tory win in 83.

    Then a decisive Labour win in 97.

    By the looks of things Corbyn stays leader and the Tories clean up in 2020.

    Labour in 2030? (before then I hope)
    Tories still get away with blaming everything on Labour and simply say they're trying to fix it. Eventually people will get fed up.

    Jeremy Corbin won't win the elections, or anybody else who stands for Labour in 2020. They need to rebuild and have probably set themselves back a few years with their recent issues.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Widespread abuse of disabled people via inhumane sanctions, defiict grown, services cut with years of austerity, NHS crumbling, all sorts of scary draconian things coming back like Grammar schools (Gasp) - And yet the conservatives are ploughing on ahead in the polls

    Im afraid its over for the left. You destroyed yourselves and will be at the mercy of right wing governents for decades and its everything your sh show deserves
    Having strong parties from both sides of the political spectrum is healthy imo. It allows a wider range of ideas and their criticisms to be put forward to the public. Allowing more balanced policies to be proposed.
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    (Original post by Lord Samosa)
    Having strong parties from both sides of the political spectrum is healthy imo. It allows a wider range of ideas and their criticisms to be put forward to the public. Allowing more balanced policies to be proposed.
    Oh yeah its pretty important no doubt. Corbyn will win and Labour will be obsolete or break into different parties all millions of miles behind being elected. Pretty crazy state of affairs
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Even if all the leftie parties join together they wouldn't be able to pull it off. Britain is a solidly right-wing country for the foreseeable future, and let's hope we keep on moving even further right.
    Yay!!! 3 cheers for fascism! Yay!!!
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    Ewww.

    "Open."

    "Tolerant."

    "Multicultural."

    blegh.

    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Please climb yourself back up Natalie Bennet or another member of the green party's ass
    Now, now, play nice :naughty: lmaoo
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    It gave Nazi Germany a massive boost and show the complete moral bankruptcy of the imperial powers.
    Well so what? Nobody cared enough about Spain because it did not and could not seriously threaten British interests. The only people interested in the affairs of 1930s Spain were Socialists, Anarchists and Communists. If the Left had one in Spain it would have boosted the Soviet Union who we were also opposed to at the time. The ideological travails of a strategically insignificant European country simply did not matter to Britain.
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    (Original post by JIRAIYA-ERO-SENNIN)
    Well so what? Nobody cared enough about Spain because it did not and could not seriously threaten British interests. The only people interested in the affairs of 1930s Spain were Socialists, Anarchists and Communists. If the Left had one in Spain it would have boosted the Soviet Union who we were also opposed to at the time. The ideological travails of a strategically insignificant European country simply did not matter to Britain.
    There were threats to British and French interests which is why we persuaded everyone else including Germany, Italy and the Soviet Union to sign up to a Non-intervention Agreement.

    Our concern was that fighting would close the Straits of Gibraltar. The French concern was the possibility of the conflict spilling over the land border and its interests in Morocco. No-one of course cared about the Spanish.

    The problem of course was that Italy, Germany and the Soviet Union hand't got the same interest in preventing the conflict spreading. They merely wanted their boy to win.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    There were threats to British and French interests which is why we persuaded everyone else including Germany, Italy and the Soviet Union to sign up to a Non-intervention Agreement.

    Our concern was that fighting would close the Straits of Gibraltar. The French concern was the possibility of the conflict spilling over the land border and its interests in Morocco. No-one of course cared about the Spanish.

    The problem of course was that Italy, Germany and the Soviet Union hand't got the same interest in preventing the conflict spreading. They merely wanted their boy to win.
    I'm defending the non-intervention policy. Our security would have been threatened by intervention and escalation, if we had intervened in a civil war where we did not have a dog in the fight. Spain herself, whatever the outcome of the civil would not have been able to take the straits of Gibraltar.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    I don't see how they have much of a choice. The situation as it stands at the moment is the the political right in the UK is strongly entrenched and generally excellently unified,
    And, you know, in line with the average Briton. A left wing alliance as is envisioned will not only fail to achieve the claimed goals becuase they won't actually represent those views, but because they will just further shift public attitude to the right.
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    (Original post by JIRAIYA-ERO-SENNIN)
    I'm defending the non-intervention policy. Our security would have been threatened by intervention and escalation, if we had intervened in a civil war where we did not have a dog in the fight. Spain herself, whatever the outcome of the civil would not have been able to take the straits of Gibraltar.
    Spain would not have been able to take the Fortress of Gibraltar but there was the risk that if the contest had been widened either side in the Civil War could have closed the Straits by land-based aircraft from either Spain or Spanish Morocco. We obviously did not want that to happen. The Republican government did attack German aircraft in the vicinity of Gibraltar.
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    (Original post by JIRAIYA-ERO-SENNIN)
    Well so what?
    You occupy the same space as the regressive left. Well done.


    (Original post by Lord Samosa)
    Having strong parties from both sides of the political spectrum is healthy imo. It allows a wider range of ideas and their criticisms to be put forward to the public. Allowing more balanced policies to be proposed.
    No it doesn't. All the mainstream pundits and centrism fetishists demand all mainstream parties occupy the same "centre ground" and say basically the same thing.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Spain would not have been able to take the Fortress of Gibraltar but there was the risk that if the contest had been widened either side in the Civil War could have closed the Straits by land-based aircraft from either Spain or Spanish Morocco. We obviously did not want that to happen. The Republican government did attack German aircraft in the vicinity of Gibraltar.
    Potentially yes. But even in the worst case scenario of Spain closing the straits or annexing the rock, Britain would have easily thrown the Spanish out. Anyways non of that contradicts the view which is that non-intervention was the right policy for Britain to pursue.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You occupy the same space as the regressive left. Well done.




    No it doesn't. All the mainstream pundits and centrism fetishists demand all mainstream parties occupy the same "centre ground" and say basically the same thing.
    1) That's not an argument.

    2) I'm not a leftist.
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    (Original post by JIRAIYA-ERO-SENNIN)
    1) That's not an argument.

    2) I'm not a leftist.
    No its not an argument. It was a statement.
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    Nah I'm good OP. Look what happened to Sweden and Germany when they got too "tolerant".
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Nah I'm good OP. Look what happened to Sweden and Germany when they got too "tolerant".
    What do you think in your head when you see a Muslim at uni?

    You yourself are also not 100% "native" either.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    What do you think in your head when you see a Muslim at uni?

    You yourself are also not 100% "native" either.
    Don't really think of anything. Why?
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    Don't really think of anything. Why?
    You don't seem to like them. Surely you think of something? When I see a woman wearing a burkha I see an oppressed woman for example.

    Also aren't your parents Indian? You are of Indian decent yourself?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You don't seem to like them. Surely you think of something? When I see a woman wearing a burkha I see an oppressed woman for example.

    Also aren't your parents Indian? You are of Indian decent yourself?
    Wrong. I dislike the ideology. I wouldn't hold religion against a lovely person I get on with. I see a Muslim and I'm like meh. With women with burkas though, I just wonder how they could cover up and whether they were forced or not.

    I'm part Indian yes

    *descent
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    No its not an argument. It was a statement.
    ...And an untrue one at that.
 
 
 
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