Corbyn's Momentum to set up a "children's wing"

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    It seems the purpose of this post is to simply trash something, without really bothering to find out what is really about. There seems to be a bit of a common thread through many of the posts by the same bunch of people, to simply trash anything that may interfere with their self interested, uncaring world.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    You're just making stuff up, now.

    Yes, for sure, we have had a tradition since the 70s of very left-wing teachers in schools pushing their agendas on children - but there is no policy of political education such as you get in these messed up socialist countries. In general, an individual teacher might say "hey captialism is bad" but you don't study Das Kapital or Wealth of Nations in this country as a texts in of themselves, but rather in context.
    I was actually referring to the 'capitalist' indoctrination that the purpose of education is to turn out an unquestioning workforce.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    I was actually referring to the 'capitalist' indoctrination that the purpose of education is to turn out an unquestioning workforce.
    The purpose of education is to turn out an analytical and questioning workforce, suitable for modern industries. The purpose of Corbyn Youth is to turn out an unquestioning political cadre, suitable to pursue a discredited nineteenth century political agenda.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I'm unclear how you can sensibly describe not borrowing more money, and trying to pay off part of the debt, as "sitting on that wealth".
    The countries debt is dwarfed by the amount of unused money tied up in property and in banks by the wealthy. If we want to reduce the debt it should be by taking unused money from the wealthy not the poor.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    I was actually referring to the 'capitalist' indoctrination that the purpose of education is to turn out an unquestioning workforce.
    It clearly doesn't work, since most of the hard-left rabble are young people.

    I also don't understand the concept that you commies have of thinking that there is a choice between "systems" and that you can "choose" capitalism or Marxist-Leninism.

    Sure, there have been commie revolutions in the past (which have all without exception been utter human disasters) when these discredited systems have been parachuted onto societies.

    But capitalism isn't a choice. No-one voted for it, or decided to have it. Capitalism is the natural state of being that developed independently across civilised human societies over thousands of years. It's the default mode, but you're implying that someone chose it - they didn't. It was a system that people all round the world developed seperately.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The purpose of education is to turn out an analytical and questioning workforce, suitable for modern industries.
    Children are educated by wrote, to lead a life of work, for the ultimate benefit of the elites.
    The purpose of Corbyn Youth is to turn out an unquestioning political cadre, suitable to pursue a discredited nineteenth century political agenda.
    How did 'Momentum Kids' become 'Corbyn Youth'?
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    Liberal is a misused term these days.

    There's plenty of us on this thread(who are left and right to varying degrees) and I'd say we're all Liberals precisely because we're against this kind of nonsense.
    Was thinking this myself. Being a liberal doesn't mean you support Corbyn.
    I don't particularly like Owen Smith either though.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    Children are educated by wrote, to lead a life of work, for the ultimate benefit of the elites.
    How did 'Momentum Kids' become 'Corbyn Youth'?
    You know.... Capitalism isn't necessarily a bad thing. If practiced properly, it really works.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    Children are educated by wrote, to lead a life of work, for the ultimate benefit of the elites.
    Except for yourself, clearly, who's managed to become the only person ever to not be 'indoctrinated', because you're the only person in the whole country to not be hard right after the state brainwashing sessions...
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    It clearly doesn't work, since most of the hard-left rabble are young people.
    thankfully they are now able to get easy access to an abundance of information outside of school confines.

    I also don't understand the concept that you commies have of thinking that there is a choice between "systems" and that you can "choose" capitalism or Marxist-Leninism.
    Sure, there have been commie revolutions in the past (which have all without exception been utter human disasters) when these discredited systems have been parachuted onto societies.
    I am not 'you commies'. The failures you mention have all actually been based on capitalism, which unfortunately is very corrupting by nature.

    But capitalism isn't a choice. No-one voted for it, or decided to have it. Capitalism is the natural state of being that developed independently across civilised human societies over thousands of years. It's the default mode, but you're implying that someone chose it - they didn't. It was a system that people all round the world developed seperately.
    It developed from after a period of non-scarcity, and was widely copied, we are now entering a further period of post scarcity and should naturally be moving out of it. Unfortunately vested interests are resisting this change unnecessarily.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Except for yourself, clearly, who's managed to become the only person ever to not be 'indoctrinated', because you're the only person in the whole country to not be hard right after the state brainwashing sessions...
    Some are more malleable than others. I was not suggesting that everyone is hard right indoctrinated, just that the education system is geared to putting out workers rather than simply educating.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    You know.... Capitalism isn't necessarily a bad thing. If practiced properly, it really works.
    Capitalism is about doing things the most profitable way, not the best way. This narrow focus is its failure.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    Capitalism is about doing things the most profitable way, not the best way. This narrow focus is its failure.
    Works pretty well in Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland though. Some of the best societies on Earth use the capitalist system to some extent.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    Works pretty well in Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland though. Some of the best societies on Earth use the capitalist system to some extent.
    All societies currently use capitalism, and it does work to an extent within a lot of differing approaches. It was highly relevant and a source of benefit probably up until the start of the twentieth century. since then it has become less relevant, and now that we have moved into a new high technology high productivity era it is actually holding back civilisation. We have probably since at least the 1930s been capable of providing for everyone's needs easily and without scarcity, but instead are concentrating the bulk of the benefits to a smaller and smaller number of people. Capitalism is no longer necessary or desirable, but is unfortunately highly entrenched.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    Works pretty well in Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland though. Some of the best societies on Earth use the capitalist system to some extent.
    This. It's perfectly possible to operate a Capitalist society without screwing people over.

    Right now we have Socialism for Elites(pardon the buzzword). The banks will never be allowed to fail as it would cause an economic disaster of biblical proportions and companies paying low wages are subsidised via tax credits and housing benefit.
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    Children are educated by wrote, to lead a life of work, for the ultimate benefit of the elites.
    Not you, apparently. There is a clear difference between rote and wrote.. In fact, little rote learning goes on, unfortunately.

    Do you want a life of leisure, or a life of bare subsistence, instead of work?

    (Original post by Aliccam)
    How did 'Momentum Kids' become 'Corbyn Youth'?
    By obvious analogy. It will stick.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The purpose of education is to turn out an analytical and questioning workforce, suitable for modern industries. The purpose of Corbyn Youth is to turn out an unquestioning political cadre, suitable to pursue a discredited nineteenth century political agenda.
    So now you've suddenly become the expert on the 'purpose' of an organisation you've literally just heard of?

    Irony is I suspect the Momentum Kids people would say precisely the opposite.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    So now you've suddenly become the expert on the 'purpose' of an organisation you've literally just heard of?
    I can read what the organisers say about it.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I can read what the organisers say about it.
    Which is not an awful lot so far. How exactly does it justify your claims?
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    All societies currently use capitalism, and it does work to an extent within a lot of differing approaches. It was highly relevant and a source of benefit probably up until the start of the twentieth century. since then it has become less relevant, and now that we have moved into a new high technology high productivity era it is actually holding back civilisation. We have probably since at least the 1930s been capable of providing for everyone's needs easily and without scarcity, but instead are concentrating the bulk of the benefits to a smaller and smaller number of people. Capitalism is no longer necessary or desirable, but is unfortunately highly entrenched.
    I actually agree with this to a certain extent. But I'm sorry to say it's not gonna change anytime soon.
 
 
 
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